Rob Reiner's film panicking about Christian nationalism warrants Oscar for religiophobia

[Crakhobarbie]

Examples please!

For example, everyone has exactly the same rights as everyone else. That includes Homosexuals and trans folk. Also, everyone should have autonomy over their own bodies, including Women.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Garbage in, garbage out. Look at who is responsible for this film. nuff said.

Not everyone believes in your invisible supernatural diety in the sky.
You're an old person, right? It's funny you haven't come to terms with that yet.

 

[anatta]

You justifying my assertion merely reinforces it.

whatever that means

 

[anatta]

Should the constitution be used to deprive other women of the right to control their own bodies just because its part of the Justices' religious belief? That's a form of slavery right there.

you are mixing everything up . surely you understand why implied rights are not set in stone like enumerated rights?
but even lack of an implied right isn't depriving anyone. it simply becomes a state issue, with state legislative authority
( and possible court review) becoming the determinate forces..I DO AGREE it should have been just left alone
I see no reason to change it from a settled matter. But Dobs is certainly a Constitutionally sound decision

And then there is policy. There are practical reasons for increasing immigration. Should immigration policy limiting immigration be based on Christian Nationalism, which supports the Great replacement theory? Its not logical. Its bigotry.

You can argue immigration quotas, but Biden isn't even doing that with his open borders - bypassing immigration law with mass "parole" and protected status etc.. Biden has injected chaos and harm upon the locals who have to pay for his whims and support unwanted migrants ( not "immigrants")

 

[anatta]

Why? No need for that at all. Secular laws are just fine. In fact, they are far more moral than religious laws.

not a question of "need" but of legitimate sourcing of legislation based in part on religious goals. or not.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

religion has been used for all sorts of justifications some good and some bad.
The laws have to be Constitutional, but they can be born of religious convictions

Unfortunately, many laws born of religious convictions, like the law that kept gays from marrying, are born of this perverse sense of "Biblical morality" that has no place in a modern civilized society.
Throughout the centuries religious zealots have proven over and over and over again that they will continue to infringe on the rights of nonbelievers whenever they can prevail. And nonbelievers will continue to fight them every step of the way.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Or he's just explaining what has happened.

Sure - in the 1700s-1800s

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Unfortunately, many laws born of religious convictions, like the law that kept gays from marrying, are born of this perverse sense of "Biblical morality" that has no place in a modern civilized society.
Throughout the centuries religious zealots have proven over and over and over again that they will continue to infringe on the rights of nonbelievers whenever they can prevail. And nonbelievers will continue to fight you every step of the way.

At the same time, non religious zealots are totally responsible for, literally, 100s millions of dead.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

At the same time, non religious zealots are totally responsible for, literally, 100s millions of dead.

Your whataboutism has been duly noted.
Did you have anything pertinent to add?

 

[anatta]

Unfortunately, many laws born of religious convictions, like the law that kept gays from marrying, are born of this perverse sense of "Biblical morality" that has no place in a modern civilized society.

some truths are noble and eternal, some are moral based which changes with time/culture

Throughout the centuries religious zealots have proven over and over and over again that they will continue to infringe on the rights of nonbelievers whenever they can prevail. And nonbelievers will continue to fight them every step of the way.

everyone has a chance to have their truths prevail. that's what's happened to abortion being regulated at the state level

 

[anatta]

At the same time, non religious zealots are totally responsible for, literally, 100s millions of dead.

there certainly has been a marginalization of the fetus from a nascent human to a blob of cells even when the cells are differentiated and clearly viable.
Which i think most - but not all- Americans want legal abortion upto the point viability of the fetus

I thin the ideal solution would be national law that states one is free to have an abortion upto the point of viability
But Americans on both extremes do not want that

 

[Crakhobarbie]

some truths are noble and eternal, some are moral based which changes with time/culture.

Homosexuality exists in all creature in the animal kingdom. There is nothing noble about demonizing gays because of what you learned from an ancient book of mythology.

everyone has a chance to have their truths prevail. that's what's happened to abortion being regulated at the state level

And you and your kind will continue to face strong opposition for your "truths". But dont worry, you have your invisible supernatural diety on your side.

 

[Real blank]

Watched the trailer isn’t it about 20 years out of date ? Don’t polls show a decline of Christianity in America ?

 

[Risky Thicket]

Christian nationalism!! white supremecy nationalism! only the left views nationalism as a threat

Civil rights org says Rob Reiner's film panicking about Christian nationalism warrants Oscar for religiophobia

A Catholic civil rights organization leader used the Oscar season to slam a documentary made by a famous Hollywood liberal as an example of anti-religious bigotry.

www.foxnews.com

The description for the documentary states that the film "looks at the implications of Christian Nationalism and how it distorts not only our constitutional republic, but Christianity itself." The summary also noted that the film features "prominent Christian thought leaders" and "asks this question: What happens when a faith built on love, sacrifice, and forgiveness grows political tentacles, conflating power, money, and belief into hyper-nationalism?"

"’God and Country’ is about an alleged threat to American democracy posed by so-called Christian nationalists. The Meathead would have the audience believe that we are on the verge of a theocratic takeover, though few outside of Hollywood and other secular subcultures pay any attention to this fable."

"On the verge of a theocratic takeover"? Define verge and determine what would constitute a theocratic takeover.

We are in fact in the process of a theocratic takeover where government and Christianity are intertwined, when government provides special treatment for "Christians."

The Catholic civil rights leader also argued that the Founding Fathers "did not want the establishment of a Christian nation, but it is also true that they recognized, and indeed applauded, the founding of a Christian-inspired nation."

"Here’s the good news. ‘God and Country’ is a bomb," Donohue wrote. "It took in a whopping $38,415 in its first weekend—over four-days—playing in 85 theaters. As one movie critic put it, this means it averaged $451 per theater, a stunning achievement, even for the Meathead."

The Christian Post, also shredded the film.

"The premise of the film is schizophrenic, demonizing Christians with inflammatory insinuations that invoke the Third Reich, while at the same time deriding them for having a persecution complex because they fear a growing cultural hostility."

There are Christians (most of my family and my wife's family and most of my friends are Christian. I was raised a Christian) and there are Christian Nationalists (I have a few in my extended family, as does my wife. We don't really socialize with Christian Nationalists).

Christians and Christian Nationalists are not the same thing. Christians Nationalists aren't Christians. Are people confused about what is who and which? Of course they are. It is by design.

It doesn't surprise me that masses of people didn't/haven't seen the film. Many people are confused as to what Christian Nationalism is.

 

[Jason Warfield]

the solution is to follow the 1st amendment, which allows for organized religion free from government interference
or political blacklisting

As long as the religion isn't vying for political power...which is in violation of the First Amendment...and in doing so places one religion over others with the protection of government....which is also in violation of the First Amendment. In addition to not creating religious tests to qualify candidates to run for or occupy government positions which would be in violation of the Constitution itself.

And so-called Christians are actively trying to violate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

 

[anatta]

As long as the religion isn't vying for political power...which is in violation of the First Amendment...

no. religions can advocate political positions

and in doing so places one religion over others with the protection of government....which is also in violation of the First Amendment. In addition to not creating religious tests to qualify candidates to run for or occupy government positions which would be in violation of the Constitution itself.

yes

And so-called Christians are actively trying to violate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

huh?

 

[j brown's body]

you are mixing everything up . surely you understand why implied rights are not set in stone like enumerated rights?
but even lack of an implied right isn't depriving anyone. it simply becomes a state issue, with state legislative authority
( and possible court review) becoming the determinate forces..I DO AGREE it should have been just left alone
I see no reason to change it from a settled matter. But Dobs is certainly a Constitutionally sound decision

You can argue immigration quotas, but Biden isn't even doing that with his open borders - bypassing immigration law with mass "parole" and protected status etc.. Biden has injected chaos and harm upon the locals who have to pay for his whims and support unwanted migrants ( not "immigrants")

I am simply pointing out that using religion to fashion now constitutionally acceptable policy always seems to involve depriving other people of their rights.

 

[j brown's body]

Watched the trailer isn’t it about 20 years out of date ? Don’t polls show a decline of Christianity in America ?

The growing Christian Nationalist movement isn't about going to church. In fact, this crowd is increasingly not going to church, but getting their faith needs met from youtube and books of their own choosing.

Their political interests have little to do with Christianity, and everything to do with creating a paternalistic, white supremacist society. So Trump, despite personifying the 7 Deadly Sins himself, really speaks to their interests.

 

[MamboDervish]

And so-called Christians are actively trying to violate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

And when you think about it, they can't help but. Because christianity itself is antithetical to democracy. What place does government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" have when you deeply believe in a celestial Monarchy? You cannot help but be working at "cross purposes" to the government. (pun intended )

There's no place for "Lord of Lords - King of Kings" in a democracy. They are mutually exclusive.

 

[mrjurrs]

Christian nationalism!! white supremecy nationalism! only the left views nationalism as a threat

Civil rights org says Rob Reiner's film panicking about Christian nationalism warrants Oscar for religiophobia

A Catholic civil rights organization leader used the Oscar season to slam a documentary made by a famous Hollywood liberal as an example of anti-religious bigotry.

www.foxnews.com

The description for the documentary states that the film "looks at the implications of Christian Nationalism and how it distorts not only our constitutional republic, but Christianity itself." The summary also noted that the film features "prominent Christian thought leaders" and "asks this question: What happens when a faith built on love, sacrifice, and forgiveness grows political tentacles, conflating power, money, and belief into hyper-nationalism?"

Perhaps because only the left believe that democracy is under attack... It's cute that you use a religious organization as the foundation for this viewpoint.

"Religious liberty is enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, yet the meaning of this core American value has been debated throughout the nation’s history. Today, conflicts most often arise from Christian nationalism, the anti-democratic notion that America is a nation by and for Christians alone. At its core, this idea threatens the principle of the separation of church and state and undermines the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. It also leads to discrimination, and at times violence, against religious minorities and the nonreligious. Christian nationalism is also a contributing ideology in the religious right’s misuse of religious liberty as a rationale for circumventing laws and regulations aimed at protecting a pluralistic democracy, such as nondiscrimination protections for LGBTQI+ people, women, and religious minorities."

Christian Nationalism Is ‘Single Biggest Threat’ to America’s Religious Freedom

Religious freedom expert Amanda Tyler, of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty, discusses the latest court cases and trends in religious freedom.

www.americanprogress.org

"Christian nationalism refers to an ideology that asserts all civic life in the U.S. should be organized according to a particularly conservative and ethnocentric expression of Christianity. Christian nationalism is more than theological or religious beliefs. It includes several cultural assumptions including:

• Strict moral traditionalism focused on sustaining social hierarchies.
• Comfort with authoritarian control—exercised by the “right” people—that includes the threat and use of violence.
• A desire for strict ethno-racial boundaries around who is a “true” American, where non-white and non-natural born citizens are viewed as unworthy of full participation in American civic life. (This is why many label it white Christian nationalism)

However, Christian nationalism moves well beyond such observations. It views this particular expression of Christianity as the undisputed framework of the U.S. and wants all levels of the government to preserve that framework."

3 Threats Christian Nationalism Poses to the United States

A national poll shows a majority of one political party favors declaring the U.S. a Christian nation

time.com

"The rising influence of white Christian nationalism in some circles of American politics is posing a major threat to the health of our democracy and our culture. A new PRRI/Brookings survey of more than 6,000 Americans takes a closer look at the underpinnings of white Christian nationalism, providing new measures to estimate the proportion of Americans who adhere to and reject Christian nationalist ideology. The survey also examines how Christian nationalist views intersect with white identity, anti-Black sentiment, patriarchy, antisemitism, anti-Muslim sentiments, anti-immigrant attitudes, authoritarianism, and support for violence. Additionally, the survey explores the influence Christian nationalism has among our two political parties and major religious subgroups today."
https://www.brookings.edu/events/un...tian-nationalism-to-american-democracy-today/

 

[Roadvirus]

Christian nationalism!! white supremecy nationalism! only the left views nationalism as a threat

Civil rights org says Rob Reiner's film panicking about Christian nationalism warrants Oscar for religiophobia

A Catholic civil rights organization leader used the Oscar season to slam a documentary made by a famous Hollywood liberal as an example of anti-religious bigotry.

www.foxnews.com

The description for the documentary states that the film "looks at the implications of Christian Nationalism and how it distorts not only our constitutional republic, but Christianity itself." The summary also noted that the film features "prominent Christian thought leaders" and "asks this question: What happens when a faith built on love, sacrifice, and forgiveness grows political tentacles, conflating power, money, and belief into hyper-nationalism?"

"’God and Country’ is about an alleged threat to American democracy posed by so-called Christian nationalists. The Meathead would have the audience believe that we are on the verge of a theocratic takeover, though few outside of Hollywood and other secular subcultures pay any attention to this fable."

The Catholic civil rights leader also argued that the Founding Fathers "did not want the establishment of a Christian nation, but it is also true that they recognized, and indeed applauded, the founding of a Christian-inspired nation."

"Here’s the good news. ‘God and Country’ is a bomb," Donohue wrote. "It took in a whopping $38,415 in its first weekend—over four-days—playing in 85 theaters. As one movie critic put it, this means it averaged $451 per theater, a stunning achievement, even for the Meathead."

The Christian Post, also shredded the film.

"The premise of the film is schizophrenic, demonizing Christians with inflammatory insinuations that invoke the Third Reich, while at the same time deriding them for having a persecution complex because they fear a growing cultural hostility."

Meathead is just trying to stay relevant. It's sad.

 

[Deuce]

The solution is for Christianity to get back to its roots of love, sacrifice and forgiveness which many still embrace.

People cannot do this and also vote for Trump. They've made their choice, it seems.

 

[Somerville]

Some words on the subject of Christian nationalism from the

Public Religion Research Institute​

At the national level, Christian nationalism is strongly linked to Republican party affiliation and holding favorable views of Trump.

• Republicans (55%) are more than twice as likely as independents (25%) and three times as likely as Democrats (16%) to hold Christian nationalist views.
• Among those who hold favorable views of Trump, 55% qualify as Christian nationalists (21% Adherents and 34% Sympathizers). Only 15% of those who hold favorable views of President Joe Biden qualify as Christian nationalists (4% Adherents and 11% Sympathizers).

Christian nationalists are about twice as likely as other Americans to believe political violence may be justified. Nearly four in ten Christian nationalism Adherents (38%) and one-third of Sympathizers (33%) agree that “because things have gotten so far off track, true American patriots may have to resort to violence to save the country,” compared with only 17% of Skeptics and 7% of Rejecters.

I wonder what the education level is in those "rural, conservative" states

Christian nationalism's support is strongest in rural, conservative states​

In states including North Dakota, Mississippi, Alabama and West Virginia, half or nearly half of residents support the view that Christians should dominate all areas of American society, including its laws, according to a new survey about the influence of Christian nationalism by the Public Religion Research Institute, based on interviews with more than 22,000 people.

Beliefs of Christian nationalists from a PRRI "American Values" survey

• The U.S. government should declare America a Christian nation.
• U.S. laws should be based on Christian values.
• If the U.S. moves away from our Christian foundations, we will not have a country anymore.
• Being Christian is an important part of being truly American.
• God has called Christians to exercise dominion over all areas of American society.

According to these believers, if you ain't a "Christian" who holds the same beliefs - then you can't be an American and you are really a Christian.

If you see yourself as a Christian but don't hold such discriminatory thoughts about those who aren't Christian or who are of some other religion or non-believers, then you too might face a problem.
A group titled the New Apostolic Reformation is ". . . unambiguous about seeking to remove “demonic obstacles” to the re-emergence of what, in their view, is the church as intended by Jesus. They call this first century-style church “the Ekklesia”—which is Greek for church. The demonic infrastructure impeding God’s intentions for the Ekklesia includes religious institutions; church offices and leaders; denominations; and, not only denominational doctrines, but even traditional prayers. (And, of course, everyone who doesn’t share their religious and political views.)"

 

[anatta]

The reality is that a lot of these folks — especially the adherents — are very militant in this belief that God has given them a mandate to rule over the nation," he said. "

no mainstream person talks like this, No Republican I know of talks like this

 

[Somerville]

no mainstream person talks like this, No Republican I know of talks like this

So, you don't see Donald J Trump as a "mainstream person"

As Trump support merges with Christian nationalism, experts warn of extremist risks​

Trump has ramped up his spiritual imagery. He told a convention of religious broadcasters last week that he was “taking bullets” for Christians. “They want to tear down crosses where they can,” Trump said of his opponents. “But no one will be touching the cross of Christ under the Trump administration, I swear to you.”

The concept of Christian nationalism — technically, the belief that the secular government should favor Christianity or even be replaced by it — existed long before Trump’s rise to power. But experts said the former president’s embrace of the movement and his increasing use of Christian nationalist language is something altogether new.

The fervor for Christian nationalist ideology has catalyzed an active political movement, experts in both religion and extremism told USA TODAY. So while they have long been alarmed about Christian nationalist ideas, they see the new movement as an army of sorts, ready for a mission, with Trump as its general. They’re worried about what action the most extreme members could be directed to take if he wins – or loses – in November.