Riots: 70% Arrested Have Out Of State IDs...

[Moot]

You are right that it is a national systemic problem.

However, the problem isn't with the police culture, as much as it is the "thug" culture.

Recent studies show that it's a police problem all over the country.

What the Data Really Says About Police and Racial Bias | Vanity Fair

I mean, seriously.... its a system problem that police defend themselves against armed felons refusing to obey orders to disarm????? You call that a systemic problem... I call that the right to self defense.

Police provoke, escalate the situation and then kill an unarmed man....is not called self defense...it's called murder.

I guess the left just doesn't think police officers have the right to self defense.

More like the right doesn't mind living in a police state.

Now, go ahead, roll in with the "But he could have been this.... or that.... or the other.... "

None of those "he could have been" scenarios are worth losing officers over.

Until you get your facts straight you will always be wrong.

 

[blackjack50]

I got to talking about this with a friend. How do we know 70% are not from Charlotte? Is this based on their ID? If I recall there is a university there? And if they aren't "from there," then how far away are they from? I'd be curious to see how they got the information on the people.


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[radcen]

I got to talking about this with a friend. How do we know 70% are not from Charlotte? Is this based on their ID? If I recall there is a university there? And if they aren't "from there," then how far away are they from? I'd be curious to see how they got the information on the people.

I was thinking along the same lines, but hadn't said anything yet. Exactly how far away? 20 miles in some outlying town? That's greater Charlotte to me. 400 miles in a different state (and not going to school there)? Now we're talkin'.

 

[Perotista]

Yep, I really love listening to them trying to fool the masses - who never get to go on vacation, since they can't afford it and they don't have anyone providing the money for them to go - with :bs until it's time to vote them into office again and again, ad nauseum! Then they make promises they probably won't keep about improving things, and thus the game continues while we keep going downhill as a Country and our debt keeps increasing.

What I don't agree with is making our law enforcement people the bad guys, which further stokes the anger. I understand that there are probably bad apples in the LEO barrel, just as there are in any job description, but is that any excuse for the destruction of property of innocent people that takes place? H*** No! I blame some of our leaders for what is taking place, because they are fanning the flames of hatred and violent discontent in many cases to keep trouble stirred up at all times to hide their own agenda of scrapping our Constitution and Bill of Rights which has protected all of us for over 200 years, just to herd us into a one-world-government which will benefit only the world's elite, and not the masses! *shaking head in disgust*

:rantoff:

That's it Pol and good morning. Off to the Wat later this AM to take part in Sart Thai Festival. As for bad apples, there was an old saying that you would always have your 10%. Yep, the elites utilize the sheep below them to make things better for the elites. The sheep let themselves be used and for the most part asked to be used.

 

[katzgar]

In that area of town, it had collapsed into anarchy. Hoodlums and thugs were destroying property and assaulting people with impunity.



7 out of 10 ? Are you sure about that? Everyone I knew in my town had exceeded $30k by 1990....and we are a poorer area of Oregon.

In the SF Bay Area, where I worked as a delivery driver, then in a cop job, my co workers and I broke $30k in the 80s......



Exactly correct. Soros is a negative and the Koch brothers are a positive, for America.



There are a lot of those "mush for brains" liberals out there.....................and on here.



Yep.



Agreed...............liberals make me want to puke.



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nope, not even close, just a riot. you are being hysterical again.

 

[blackjack50]

I was thinking along the same lines, but hadn't said anything yet. Exactly how far away? 20 miles in some outlying town? That's greater Charlotte to me. 400 miles in a different state (and not going to school there)? Now we're talkin'.

Yea. It just makes me wonder how they came up with that. I mean did all these people drive from hours away? Did they fly in? Take busses? I mean North Carolina is one of those states where lot's of people visit for sure, but it also has a lot of schools and such.


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[polgara]

That's it Pol and good morning. Off to the Wat later this AM to take part in Sart Thai Festival. As for bad apples, there was an old saying that you would always have your 10%. Yep, the elites utilize the sheep below them to make things better for the elites. The sheep let themselves be used and for the most part asked to be used.

Pero, what is a Sart Thai Festival? That one is new to me.

 

[TheGoverness]

Pero, what is a Sart Thai Festival? That one is new to me.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sat_Thai

 

[Tanngrisnir]

LOL...

A union rep?

Police unions are NOT authorized in the state of North Carolina. I should know, I was a cop here for 7 years.

So maybe you should know wtf you are talking about.... you know... BEFORE you speak.

If it's not a union, it essesntially shares the same functions and does lobbying, to boot, i.e., a distinction w/out a differnece.

FOP NC Lodge 9

Way to utterly miss the point.

 

[Caine]

Recent studies show that it's a police problem all over the country.

What the Data Really Says About Police and Racial Bias | Vanity Fair


Police provoke, escalate the situation and then kill an unarmed man....is not called self defense...it's called murder.

More like the right doesn't mind living in a police state.


Until you get your facts straight you will always be wrong.

So... you are still denying that the man in Charlotte was armed?

That is extremely sad....but not surprising from a police hater like yourself.

 

[Perotista]

Pero, what is a Sart Thai Festival? That one is new to me.

Sart Thai is a Buddhist Festival which honors one's deceased ancestors. Sart Thai is a time to remember those relatives with prayers, Buddhist rituals and merit making on their behalf. the wife and I just returned from the wat, a very good day it was.

 

[Moot]

So... you are still denying that the man in Charlotte was armed?

That is extremely sad....but not surprising from a police hater like yourself.

Well, it's certainly not surprising that you would resort to such an obtuse, dishonest, flame bait accusation to distract from the observable evidence that doesn't support your argument.

I haven't denied that Scott had an ankle holster....but based solely on the videos we've seen so far...there is no definitive visual proof that he had a gun in his hand after he got out of his car and was shot...and that is the point you are desperately trying to avoid and deny. That's not just sad...it's pathetic.

"...Neither police dashcam nor body-camera footage shows Scott pointing a gun at police officers. At one point in the body-camera video, there is a view of Scott from his right side and he has his arm by his body, but it is unclear if there is a gun.

"You can't clearly identify what, if anything, is in his hand," attorney Justin Bamberg, who represents the Scott family, said at news conference Saturday evening.

Putney had said, before the videos were released, that "there is no definitive visual evidence that he had a gun in his hand."

The chief has also said the videos are part of the evidence, the totality of which will show the shooting was justified.

Bamberg says the videos don't show anything that should have led to Scott losing his life...."


Charlotte shooting: Police release video and photos - CNN.com​

If the police had definitive proof that Scott had a gun in his hand, they would've shown it by now...instead of letting the civil unrest and tension fester to fever pitch in their city.

 

[SDET]

Confirming what many had suspected when viewing the sudden and intense collapse into anrchy that occurred in Charlotte this week, Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told CNN's Erin Burnett:

"This is not Charlotte that's out here. These are outside entities that are coming in and causing these problems. These are not protestors, these are criminals."
Who Is Behind The Riots? Charlotte Police Says 70% Of Arrested Protesters Had Out Of State IDs | Zero Hedge

I wonder if George Soros is funding all this.

 

[braindrain]

It just wouldn't be an election without mentioning Soros, the right wings favorite boogie man. lol

But I don't doubt that protesters were bused in....since the Koch's did the same thing for the tea party protests. But the evidence connecting Soros to BLM seems kind of weak.

It just wouldn't be an election without mentioning the Koch brothers the left wings favorite boogie man.

Its funny you are talking about the right doing the exact same thing you are doing.

 

[Moot]

It just wouldn't be an election without mentioning the Koch brothers the left wings favorite boogie man.

Its funny you are talking about the right doing the exact same thing you are doing.

You're just too clever for words. :roll:

 

[Orly?]

The Kochs are in it for business reasons, Soros is in it for social reasons.

Koch's want a more prosperous economy with lower taxes and less regulations, Soros wants open borders and social leveling except at the top.

Soros wants to crash america.. He is shorting us hard.. #Whale

 

[Caine]

Well, it's certainly not surprising that you would resort to such an obtuse, dishonest, flame bait accusation to distract from the observable evidence that doesn't support your argument.

I haven't denied that Scott had an ankle holster....but based solely on the videos we've seen so far...there is no definitive visual proof that he had a gun in his hand after he got out of his car and was shot...and that is the point you are desperately trying to avoid and deny. That's not just sad...it's pathetic.

"...Neither police dashcam nor body-camera footage shows Scott pointing a gun at police officers. At one point in the body-camera video, there is a view of Scott from his right side and he has his arm by his body, but it is unclear if there is a gun.

"You can't clearly identify what, if anything, is in his hand," attorney Justin Bamberg, who represents the Scott family, said at news conference Saturday evening.

Putney had said, before the videos were released, that "there is no definitive visual evidence that he had a gun in his hand."

The chief has also said the videos are part of the evidence, the totality of which will show the shooting was justified.

Bamberg says the videos don't show anything that should have led to Scott losing his life...."


Charlotte shooting: Police release video and photos - CNN.com​

If the police had definitive proof that Scott had a gun in his hand, they would've shown it by now...instead of letting the civil unrest and tension fester to fever pitch in their city.

So... because a video is not HD enough to determine he had a gun in his hand.... you are denying it based upon????

Meanwhile..... in reality..... 5 officers don't yell "Drop the gun" at a subject for 3 minutes who isn't armed.

 

[blackjack50]

So... because a video is not HD enough to determine he had a gun in his hand.... you are denying it based upon????

Meanwhile..... in reality..... 5 officers don't yell "Drop the gun" at a subject for 3 minutes who isn't armed.

True. But it also depends on their distance and that kind of thing. He didn' comply though. Hard to say that is the wrong call if he did have a brain injury, a gun, and was non compliant. The officers on the ground weren't responding to him, but to someone else. And the man who shot him was Black. So it really wasn't about race. It was about the man involved.

The police have stated they are releasing the body camera footage though.


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[Napoleon]

So... because a video is not HD enough to determine he had a gun in his hand.... you are denying it based upon????

Meanwhile..... in reality..... 5 officers don't yell "Drop the gun" at a subject for 3 minutes who isn't armed.

I think the question in this case is why a taser would not have been sufficient. Why does it always seem that lethal force is the first option?

 

[Bodi]

LOL! Given the histrionic nonsense that link has, pure guesswork "I can about say probably 70% of those had out-of-state IDs." and the fingerpointing at Soros, this clearly belongs in CT, not law and order.

Not only that but it doesn't state how many have been arrested, and blithely disregards the fact that people can come from out of state to protest with no nefarious intent.

Fail.

I dont know about you but when i travel to other states my intent is to not to riot and get arrested. Seems like they must have nefarious intent to do so...

 

[Moot]

I dont know about you but when i travel to other states my intent is to not to riot and get arrested. Seems like they must have nefarious intent to do so...

As it turns out....most of those arrested were locals and not from out of state.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/law-a...sted-have-out-state-ids-3.html#post1066350149


The Charlotte police haven't been forthright with the public from day one.

 

[Moot]

So... because a video is not HD enough to determine he had a gun in his hand.... you are denying it based upon????

Meanwhile..... in reality..... 5 officers don't yell "Drop the gun" at a subject for 3 minutes who isn't armed.

Well, it is kinda strange that with four or five videos all filming the same thing and not one can definitively prove that Scott had a gun in his hand.

 

[VanceMack]

I think the question in this case is why a taser would not have been sufficient. Why does it always seem that lethal force is the first option?

Lethal force is not always the first option. Alton Stirling was tazed...twice...but still fought with 2 officers while attempting to reach his weapon.

In a situation where a suspect is armed and has the weapon in his hand, tazing may not make much sense.

There are many videos out there that demonstrate why cops dont shoot to wound, or why they dont take chances with armed suspects. And honestly...how many times are they supposed to tell the man to comply before something bad happens?

 

[Napoleon]

Lethal force is not always the first option. Alton Stirling was tazed...twice...but still fought with 2 officers while attempting to reach his weapon.

In a situation where a suspect is armed and has the weapon in his hand, tazing may not make much sense.

There are many videos out there that demonstrate why cops dont shoot to wound, or why they dont take chances with armed suspects. And honestly...how many times are they supposed to tell the man to comply before something bad happens?

If I were a juror then I would want to know if the level of force used is proportionate to the threat. In my view it isn't justified when there are other options to subdue and that is true of Mr. Sterling too. He was pinned to the ground with one officer sitting on top of his legs and another officer hovering over him and kneeling on his left arm and chest. There was no alternative to three point blank bullets to the chest? Baloney.

 

[Caine]

True. But it also depends on their distance and that kind of thing. He didn' comply though. Hard to say that is the wrong call if he did have a brain injury, a gun, and was non compliant. The officers on the ground weren't responding to him, but to someone else. And the man who shot him was Black. So it really wasn't about race. It was about the man involved.

The police have stated they are releasing the body camera footage though.


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They have already released it.

I understand the desire to question whether he understood everything that was going on based upon this injury stated by his family....

However, an officer shouldn't risk their life on a "what if he doesn't understand us, though!!" scenario. If an officer got shot and killed before they took action in this scenario, the other officers on scene would be questioned as to why they allowed the situation to get that far before taking action.