Right-wingers, go on the record

[trouble13]

Say whether you support democracy and as many as possible voting even if it means your side loses, or if you support the Republican efforts to prevent voting as much as they can to try to win that way, as enemies of democracy (which goes so far as to outright steal elections in some cases).

Funny I have to ask, but I haven't seen them take a side.

So if we don't support lawless voting we don't support democracy either?

 

[Razoo]

So...old people and young people vote democrat?

Is that a real question?

What do you think?

 

[KevinKohler]

Look, I'll level with you. I personally don't think voter fraud is an issue.

But something as simple as an ID, and you fight it? But yet I gotta jump through 12 hoops to own a fire arm?

 

[KevinKohler]

What do you think?

I think FL is owned by old people, voter wise, and its red.

I think old people are the reason Trump won.

 

[Razoo]

So if we don't support lawless voting we don't support democracy either?

what is lawless voting? any examples?

 

[Cramer]

Most cons I know just want voters to produce a valid state ID to vote.

The mail in thing was some Trump bs.

That is fine, as long as the required ID is free, easy to attain w/out unnecessary burdens. If any cost is involved, it should be reimbursed (getting documents to prove one's citizenship).

 

[TomFitz]

False dichotomy.

Republicans don't want to prevent CITIZENS from voting.

A ridiculous claim easily refuted by over 20 years of working to promote various schemes to either disenfranchising people without their knowledge, and enacting laws specifically intended to make it harder and more inconvenient to vote.

Many of these are racially targeted, and there is a long list of quotes from various GOP politicians admitting that, and Federal judges ruling on that.

 

[Razoo]

CAN you provide a link to demonstrate such? Conservatives are the most likely to participate in voter fraud.

I've got plenty of ID.....why would anyone need more?

A voter ID can be copied just as easy as money aka counterfeit.

Drivers licenses is voter ID with a photo. A state ID also has photo.

A voter ID per se is a waste of tax dollars when other photo ID such as a necessary drivers license is mandated.

 

[KevinKohler]

That is fine, as long as the required ID is free, easy to attain w/out unnecessary burdens. If any cost is involved, it should be reimbursed (getting documents to prove one's citizenship).

Do the same for gun purchases, or proclaim yourself a hypocrit.

 

[Razoo]

Conservatives = voter fraud

Kansas Congressman Is Charged With Voter Fraud (Published 2020)

Three felony charges were filed against Steve Watkins, a Republican, shortly before he appeared in a televised debate ahead of the state’s primary election.

www.nytimes.com

Kansas Republican Rep. Steve Watkins charged with voter fraud
https://www.politico.com › news › 2020/07/14 › kansas...
Jul 14, 2020 — Kansas GOP Rep. Steve Watkins was charged Tuesday with three felony counts of voter fraud related to the 2019 municipal elections, ...
Kansas Republican Congressman Steve Watkins has signed a diversion agreement to avoid ...
Mar 2, 2021

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article249643093.html

Jul 28, 2020 — Kansas Congressman Steve Watkins admits that he voted at the wrong address in 2019, but he denied that he committed any wrongdoing or ...

Watkins provided a UPS store address as his residence ........ how dumb are conservatives?

conservatives keep repeating themselves on VOTER ID yet never providing any hard evidence of massive voter fraud yet must approve of what elected official Watkins did who has a father who contributes generously to conservative campaigns. Did daddy
Watkins encourage son to commit a felony?

 

[Razoo]

That is fine, as long as the required ID is free, easy to attain w/out unnecessary burdens. If any cost is involved, it should be reimbursed (getting documents to prove one's citizenship).

How can a voter ID be free? If tax dollars pay for it that does not make it free however it could qualify as reckless use of tax dollars.

 

[Cramer]

How can a voter ID be free? If tax dollars pay for it that does not make it free however it could qualify as reckless use of tax dollars.

E pluribus unum

Requiring an ID to vote, that causes one to pay for it, is essentially a poll tax.

We do not do that. Any longer.

 

[KevinKohler]

E pluribus unum

Requiring an ID to vote, that causes one to pay for it, is essentially a poll tax.

We do not do that. Any longer.

Yes we do.

 

[Somerville]

Why isn't voting day a national holiday? A day when minimum/low wage workers would receive the same funding that they would get for working.

 

[gdgyva]

Say whether you support democracy and as many as possible voting even if it means your side loses, or if you support the Republican efforts to prevent voting as much as they can to try to win that way, as enemies of democracy (which goes so far as to outright steal elections in some cases).

Funny I have to ask, but I haven't seen them take a side.

are you asking if i support the Georgia law?

you bet your ass....

and i have read the entire bill which i doubt MANY of you have.

For instance, what happens if a precinct has LONG LINES this year and over 2000 voters in the precinct? They will take measurements 3x on voting day, and if the line exceeds one hour early in the morning, at midday, and again in the afternoon, what happens the following voting cycle? Can you answer?

 

[Craig234]

Which one? Expound on your premise. Cite the bill, and the section of the bill, that targets citizens and makes it impossible for them to vote.

See my previous replies, but I'll note your straw man with the word 'impossible', which is not what I said. Reducing the Democratic vote 0.5%, 1%, 2%, 5%, are goals that change elections, "impossible" has nothing to do with it.

 

[Craig234]

Most cons I know just want voters to produce a valid state ID to vote.

The mail in thing was some Trump bs.

These Republican voter suppression bills do *far* more to suppress the vote than voter ID. You don't show you even know the history of programs like Crosscheck or its precursor voter purges like Florida 2000 using the same specious 'voter fraud' lies to steal elections.

"Voter ID" just happens to 'sound better' to gullible Republican voters who think 'that's just common sense' and don't understand the issue, the lack of voter fraud, and the targeted intent of those laws, but since they like Voter ID, they just support all the rest of the voter suppression measures also. Credit for you actually being able to say the mail-in voting attacks were trump BS.

 

[Athanasius68]

Say whether you support democracy and as many as possible voting even if it means your side loses, or if you support the Republican efforts to prevent voting as much as they can to try to win that way, as enemies of democracy (which goes so far as to outright steal elections in some cases).

Funny I have to ask, but I haven't seen them take a side.

Yes--- the recent Georgia law increased voting opportunities.
The accurate question is why do Democrats oppose increase opportunities for voting?

 

[Athanasius68]

No, your statements are what are false. It's the right dichotomy.

The Republican bills prevent CITIZENS from voting, and that is their intent and purpose. Non-citizens already can't and don't vote. So, the question remains for you.

So do voter registration laws.
So do laws that close the polls at 7PM.
So do laws that open the polls at 7AM
So do laws that require people to vote in the precinct where they are registered.

 

[Cramer]

Yes we do.

I suppose you are correct, after thinking about it. I was probably thinking we no longer have an official poll tax.

 

[Schism]

Of course they can be.

Can you point to any of the dozen or so studies, commissions, or investigations over the last 40+ years where this is the case?

It is not like this matter has not been looked into. Do some research. You may find something.

Database Swells to 1,285 Proven Cases of Voter Fraud in America
Voter fraud case hits too close to home for Georgia election manager
Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud
State moves to intervene in Antrim County voter fraud case
24 state voter fraud cases referred to attorney general for prosecution
Confessions of a voter fraud: I was a master at fixing mail-in ballots

The reason democrats deny voter fraud is because they engage in it.

There's a reason they don't want election integrity. They want chaos and millions of boxes of paper. They will count and find more boxes until they win.

 

[Moderate Right]

Say whether you support democracy and as many as possible voting even if it means your side loses, or if you support the Republican efforts to prevent voting as much as they can to try to win that way, as enemies of democracy (which goes so far as to outright steal elections in some cases).

Funny I have to ask, but I haven't seen them take a side.

I do not support people voting without ID's. I do not support mailing ballots to all registered voters, many of whom don't even vote. I don't support counting ballots after election day. I do support the purging of registered voters who haven't voted in 10 or more years.

 

[gdgyva]

Craig...post 65

can you answer?

i answered you question....can you answer mine?

or have you even read the damn bill?

 

[Craig234]

Imagine I say that punching Republicans - but only Republicans - in the face cures covid and prevents them getting it, and I start punching Republicans in the face.

They complain that's a lie and I'm assaulting them, and I say they have no right trying to spread the virus by not letting me punch them in the face, and keep doing it. That's what the voter fraud lie is like.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Say whether you support democracy and as many as possible voting even if it means your side loses, or if you support the Republican efforts to prevent voting as much as they can to try to win that way, as enemies of democracy (which goes so far as to outright steal elections in some cases).

Funny I have to ask, but I haven't seen them take a side.

Very intellectually dishonest post. The republicans are making no efforts to prevent any legitimate votes. What they are attempting to prevent is massive voter fraud.