Right wing thoughts on COVID vaccines - did I get this right?

[W_Heisenberg]

Michael Yeadon is not a right winger. Robert Malone is not a right winger. Doctor Joseph Lapado and Yale School of Public Health Doctor Harvey Risch are not right wingers. Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, the World Health Organizations top scientist is not a right winger. the over 100,000 doctors and scientists world wide that oppose the vaccines are not right wingers. They are also not anti-vaxxers.

They are all practicing professionals, experts in their field, and have all expressed a wide array of concerns over the vaccines.

Frankly...the only people acting like a 'cult' over the vaccines are those that advocate for the vaccines.

Wtf are you talking about? How can you be so misinformed?

 

[VanceMack]

Wtf are you talking about? How can you be so misinformed?

You people are a ****ing crack up. You literally know **** all about any of this. You have been reduced to just a bunch of blindly nodding puppets. You dont have a clue about the thousands of actual doctors, virologists, immunologists, and scientists and the real world concerns they have raised about the vaccines.

 

[bluesmoke]

That analogy works so long as the non-alcoholics (the vaccinated?) never drink and drive. The vaccine reduces the harm (when exposed) to the vaccinated individual, but does not prevent the vaccinated person from being an asymptomatic carrier (and ‘breakthrough’ spreader) of the virus. Unlike drinking alcohol (an intentional act) one can be exposed to COVID unintentionally and spread it asymptomatically.

Which is a distinct diff from walking around unvaccinated, an intentional act, knowing or should know one can infect others without regard to their health, just as with the hazard of a drunk driver whom does not intend to do harm, but knowingly drives drunk without regard for the safety of others.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Which is a distinct diff from walking around unvaccinated, an intentional act, knowing or should know one can infect others without regard to their health, just as with the hazard of a drunk driver whom does not intend to do harm, but knowingly drives drunk without regard for the safety of others.

A better driving analogy would be wearing seatbelts. The idea that the unvaccinated pose a risk to the vaccinated would seem to imply that the vaccines are not very effective, which we know to be untrue.

A chose to get vaccinated (and got a ‘booster’ dose) to (hopefully) protect myself from having serious consequences if (when?) I become exposed to the virus.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

You people are a ****ing crack up. You literally know **** all about any of this. You have been reduced to just a bunch of blindly nodding puppets.

The feeling is mutual. Believe me.

You dont have a clue about the thousands of actual doctors, virologists, immunologists, and scientists and the real world concerns they have raised about the vaccines.

You wrote “100,000.” Now you are writing “thousands.” Which is it? Are you playing this game where you just lie and make shit up like Trump and you want everyone to pretend that we have to take you seriously?

You cannot find a single reputable virologist or immunologist to back up your bullshit, lying, ignorant, sack of shit claims.

I’m sure you can find a handful of doctors who say stupid shit about the vaccine, but not every doctor is knowledgeable about science or molecular biology.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Just to see if I got this straight... If I am to believe right wing theories, they are Ok with having

Chinese-developed bio-weapon in them that killed over 700,000 Americans and is affecting many others with long Covid

than

US-developed (or German+US in case of Pfizer) defense mechanism that appears to be working because it's too... "experimental"?

At least you admit covid is Chinese developed. Tell Biden and Fauci that.

 

[VanceMack]

The feeling is mutual. Believe me.



You wrote “100,000.” Now you are writing “thousands.” Which is it? Are you playing this game where you just lie and make shit up like Trump and you want everyone to pretend that we have to take you seriously?

You cannot find a single reputable virologist or immunologist to back up your bullshit, lying, ignorant, sack of shit claims.

I’m sure you can find a handful of doctors who say stupid shit about the vaccine, but not every doctor is knowledgeable about science or molecular biology.

I just listed several of the top professionals in the field. And there are across the globe over 100,000 practicing professionals that are opposed to the vaccines being pushed on people. Practicing professionals...not just "Trump supporting anti-vaxxers" (the stupidity of the leftist rhetoric there is palpable considering it was Trump that GAVE you the vaccine in the first place). There is a mountain of evidence and research by practicing professionals that question the vacciness. But you are too blindly devoted to your mindest to see anything other than JUST TAKE THE DAMN SHOT. Dr Fauci has been wrong on just about everything he has said about COVID...yet you worship him like a god. Fauici has straight up CLIAMED he lied to you...twice....but you still trust him to be your savior. Fauici even today admits he has no good answer as to why people that natural immunity should even take the vaccines...but you blindly swallow anything he puts in you. When practicing professionals question the vaccine you shit yourself and scream ANTI-VAXXER!!!! because heaven ****ing forbid anyone NOT be just like you and the other sheep.

 

[Slavister]

At least you admit covid is Chinese developed. Tell Biden and Fauci that.

you missed "if I am to believe right wing theories" part.

 

[Slavister]

The idea that the unvaccinated pose a risk to the vaccinated would seem to imply that the vaccines are not very effective

Wrong.

- Unvaccinated pose danger to vaccinated by filling up hospitals. So when NON-covid problem comes up, there is no hospital bed for you

- Unvaccinated increase virus circulation and thus variants that may render vaccines useless

- Unvaccinated pose danger to those who cannot get vaccines due to medical reasons and kids

I feel like I already had given you all these arguments but you keep pretending unvaccinated don't pose danger to rest of us.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Wrong.

- Unvaccinated pose danger to vaccinated by filling up hospitals. So when NON-covid problem comes up, there is no hospital bed for you

- Unvaccinated increase virus circulation and thus variants that may render vaccines useless

- Unvaccinated pose danger to those who cannot get vaccines due to medical reasons and kids

I feel like I already had given you all these arguments but you keep pretending unvaccinated don't pose danger to rest of us.

Which is an end run around previous posters point.

 

[mike2810]

I am a conservative who is fully vaccinated (by Fauci's latest, but constantly, evolving definition). However, I am also a true American who fully supports the right of Americans to chose for themselves and accept the personal consequences for their actions.

I wonder how many "left wing" people are not vaccinated...for whatever reason...and how you feel about them?

I am also fully vaccinated based on current recommendation.
While the question was for another poster, I feel the same about non vaccinated people regardless of political leaning.

I agree with you on that people should make personal choices and accept the consequences of that decision. It amazes me the amount of complaining when someone is told because they are not vaccinated, willing to wear a mask, or social distance, they are not allowed to fly, go to a show, etc.

Since one does not know if a person has been vaccinated by just looking at them, a non symptomatic non vaccinated person who has covid could put others at risk.
Someone will make the claim their "freedom" is being violated. Doesn't matter if they are vaccinated person or a non vaccinated person. People need to think about the possible impact of others.

 

[Mycroft]

I am also fully vaccinated based on current recommendation.
While the question was for another poster, I feel the same about non vaccinated people regardless of political leaning.

I agree with you on that people should make personal choices and accept the consequences of that decision. It amazes me the amount of complaining when someone is told because they are not vaccinated, willing to wear a mask, or social distance, they are not allowed to fly, go to a show, etc.

Since one does not know if a person has been vaccinated by just looking at them, a non symptomatic non vaccinated person who has covid could put others at risk.
Someone will make the claim their "freedom" is being violated. Doesn't matter if they are vaccinated person or a non vaccinated person. People need to think about the possible impact of others.

A non-symptomatic vaccinated person can put others at risk, too.

People need to think about the possible impact of others and make their personal choices accordingly. One solution is that people who feel they are at increased risk of being infected by others...who could be vaccinated or unvaccinated...change their personal lifestyle to reduce their own personal risk...and let others do what they want.

 

[mike2810]

A non-symptomatic vaccinated person can put others at risk, too.

People need to think about the possible impact of others and make their personal choices accordingly. One solution is that people who feel they are at increased risk of being infected by others...who could be vaccinated or unvaccinated...change their personal lifestyle to reduce their own personal risk...and let others do what they want.

That is what I said, "ince one does not know if a person has been vaccinated by just looking at them, a non symptomatic non vaccinated person who has covid could put others at risk."

Yes, those not wanting to be potentially exposed could change the way they go about doing things.
Another idea is those who do not want to get vaccinated or take any safety measures change their lifestyle, and let the rest do what they want.

Your post supports my thoughts that those who are not taking the pandemic seriously just don't give a crap except for themselves.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I am a conservative who is fully vaccinated (by Fauci's latest, but constantly, evolving definition). However, I am also a true American who fully supports the right of Americans to chose for themselves and accept the personal consequences for their actions.

I wonder how many "left wing" people are not vaccinated...for whatever reason...and how you feel about them?

Same here. The left wants to think it's just red state right wingers who are hesitant to get vaccines. They are still politicizing the virus.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Just to see if I got this straight... If I am to believe right wing theories, they are Ok with having

Chinese-developed bio-weapon in them that killed over 700,000 Americans and is affecting many others with long Covid

than

You are exaggerating for political reasons. Rank and file conservatives are not into bio-weapon conspiracy theories. However the scenario of the virus accidentally escaping the lab in Wuhan is now considered a plausible theory.

 

[Mycroft]

That is what I said, "ince one does not know if a person has been vaccinated by just looking at them, a non symptomatic non vaccinated person who has covid could put others at risk."

Yes, those not wanting to be potentially exposed could change the way they go about doing things.
Another idea is those who do not want to get vaccinated or take any safety measures change their lifestyle, and let the rest do what they want.

Your post supports my thoughts that those who are not taking the pandemic seriously just don't give a crap except for themselves.

I don't think you noticed what I actually said...

"A non-symptomatic vaccinated person can put others at risk, too."

My point is that it doesn't matter whether a person you come into contact with is vaccinated or not...they still pose a risk to you. Therefore, it's up to YOU to mitigate that risk...if you want to...by whatever means you are personally comfortable with. It's not up to anyone else to be responsible for your personal risk.

btw, if you think getting vaccinated reduces the risk you pose to others...you obviously don't understand what the vaccine does.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

That analogy works so long as the non-alcoholics (the vaccinated?) never drink and drive. The vaccine reduces the harm (when exposed) to the vaccinated individual, but does not prevent the vaccinated person from being an asymptomatic carrier (and ‘breakthrough’ spreader) of the virus. Unlike drinking alcohol (an intentional act) one can be exposed to COVID unintentionally and spread it asymptomatically.

Actually from everything we know, being vaccinated reduces your odds of being infected with COVID and thus being a symptomatic or asymptomatic carrier by 4.5 times over being unvaccinated. It also significantly reduces the amount of time you are infected and thus contagious to others.

 

[Nickyjo]

And...yet strangely, people who have been vaccinated are still getting infected...going to the hospitals...and some are dying.

Not as many as those who have not been vaccinated. But cut to the chase, your advice for dealing with the pandemic is: develop another vaccine? stop already with the masks and social distance? defund the CDC? give up?

 

[Mycroft]

Not as many as those who have not been vaccinated. But cut to the chase, your advice for dealing with the pandemic is: develop another vaccine? stop already with the masks and social distance? defund the CDC? give up?

None of the above.

Continue working on necessary vaccines for any mutations that occur. The CDC can continue doing their job and making suggestions. Leave the rest up to individuals.

Basically, deal with this the same way we deal with the flu.

 

[Nickyjo]

None of the above.

Continue working on necessary vaccines for any mutations that occur. The CDC can continue doing their job and making suggestions. Leave the rest up to individuals.

Basically, deal with this the same way we deal with the flu.

In cases when we are fighting disease, or smog, or tobacco addiction, or traffic deaths, or forest fires, we don’t leave some things up to individuals. We take steps to mitigate damage through laws and regulations.

 

[mike2810]

I don't think you noticed what I actually said...

"A non-symptomatic vaccinated person can put others at risk, too."

My point is that it doesn't matter whether a person you come into contact with is vaccinated or not...they still pose a risk to you. Therefore, it's up to YOU to mitigate that risk...if you want to...by whatever means you are personally comfortable with. It's not up to anyone else to be responsible for your personal risk.

btw, if you think getting vaccinated reduces the risk you pose to others...you obviously don't understand what the vaccine does.

Yep. That is true.
My point is everyone needs to help out in mitigation.

Oh I understand what a vaccine does for me.

We will agree to disagree. imo, we are in it together. I am not willing to let those who do nothing get a free pass.

 

[Logophile]

You are exaggerating for political reasons. Rank and file conservatives are not into bio-weapon conspiracy theories. However the scenario of the virus accidentally escaping the lab in Wuhan is now considered a plausible theory.

Yes. And it's considered a plausible theory thanks to the ongoing efforts of people not willing mealy mouth to Biden advocates or to capitulate to the propaganda of ultra-left forces and those with culpability as in Fauci and friends. Thanks!!

 

[Mongidig]

That analogy works so long as the non-alcoholics (the vaccinated?) never drink and drive. The vaccine reduces the harm (when exposed) to the vaccinated individual, but does not prevent the vaccinated person from being an asymptomatic carrier (and ‘breakthrough’ spreader) of the virus. Unlike drinking alcohol (an intentional act) one can be exposed to COVID unintentionally and spread it asymptomatically.

As a Libertarian do you feel it’s your job to argue against common sense during a pandemic?

 

[Parrish]

Just get the damn shot.

 

[jonny5]

Just to see if I got this straight... If I am to believe right wing theories, they are Ok with having

Chinese-developed bio-weapon in them that killed over 700,000 Americans and is affecting many others with long Covid

than

US-developed (or German+US in case of Pfizer) defense mechanism that appears to be working because it's too... "experimental"?

Nope. Next strawman?