Right Wing Lie of The Day

[Captain America]

I think if Johnson was playing his gitar while the flood was happening, and had hires incompetent cronies to handle the disaster, there would have been a major outcry.

But history shows us that Betsy was a catalyst for the creation of the Army Corps of Engineers and the subsequent building of the levees in N.O. These levees saved countless lives during Camille in 1969.

76 people died as the result of Betsy and the total cost, though huge at the time was 8.5 billion adjusted for inflation. Compare that to 1,300 dead and 300billion with Katrina.

OUCH!!! :shock:

 

[Gill]

I think if Johnson was playing his gitar while the flood was happening, and had hires incompetent cronies to handle the disaster, there would have been a major outcry.

Ok, I'll bite.. what was Johnson doing when the flood happened? Do you know? Maybe he was having one of his famous bar-b-q's.

But history shows us that Betsy was a catalyst for the creation of the Army Corps of Engineers and the subsequent building of the levees in N.O. These levees saved countless lives during Camille in 1969.

Are you serious?? The Army Corps of Engineers was formed in 1775 by the Continental Congress. Its creation had nothing to do with Betsy. The levees had no impact during Camille. The water in Lake Ponchartrain actually lowered during Camille because it drew water from it.

Levees were built around New Orleans LONG before Betsy. The Orleans Levee Board was formed in 1890 in order to build and maintain levees around New Orleans.

76 people died as the result of Betsy and the total cost, though huge at the time was 8.5 billion adjusted for inflation. Compare that to 1,300 dead and 300billion with Katrina.

Katrina, although a terrible storm, does not even come close to being the deadliest hurricane to hit the Atlantic basin... actually it ranks about 30.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Are you serious?? The Army Corps of Engineers was formed in 1775 by the Continental Congress. Its creation had nothing to do with Betsy. The levees had no impact during Camille. The water in Lake Ponchartrain actually lowered during Camille because it drew water from it.

I should have said the Army Corps of Engineers Hurricane Protection Program.

Aftermath
The Army Corps of Engineers' Hurricane Protection Program came into existence as a result of Betsy. The Corps built new levees for New Orleans that were both taller and made of stronger material, designed specifically to resist a fast-moving Category three hurricane like Betsy. The resulting levee improvements failed when Hurricane Katrina, a large and slow-moving Category 3 hurricane made a near-direct hit on New Orleans on August 29, 2005.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Betsy

 

[hipsterdufus]

Bush and Cheney out of touch with reality:

In the past two days Bush and Cheney both made statements so absurd they boggle the mind.

1. Cheney Sunday on Face The Nation said that his pre-war predictions that we would be greeted as liberators and his prediction 10 months ago that the insurgency was in it's last throws "were basically accurate, reflect reality"
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/20/politics/20war.html

Really? The man is beyond PR

2. Bush today in Cleveland fielded an unscripted question! Drum roll please.:roll: He went on to say that he was very careful never to say that Saddam Hussein was directly responsible for 9/11. I didn't here the White House complaining when all of the Fox viewers thought that was the case. Bush has certainly tried to fool the people into believing that Saddam and 9/11 were connected. His statement seems to show how careful he was in choosing his deceitful words.

Now I understand why Bush doesn't do unscripted questions on his PR tours. He's terrible when he's off script.

 

[Gill]

2. Bush today in Cleveland fielded an unscripted question! Drum roll please. He went on to say that he was very careful never to say that Saddam Hussein was directly responsible for 9/11. I didn't here the White House complaining when all of the Fox viewers thought that was the case. Bush has certainly tried to fool the people into believing that Saddam and 9/11 were connected. His statement seems to show how careful he was in choosing his deceitful words.

Now I understand why Bush doesn't do unscripted questions on his PR tours. He's terrible when he's off script.

I didn't realize that it was the White House's duty to complain when tv viewers "believe" something that is not true. Bush NEVER said that Saddam was directly responsible for 9-11. Libs are as much to blame as anyone for spreading that rumor.

 

[hipsterdufus]

I didn't realize that it was the White House's duty to complain when tv viewers "believe" something that is not true. Bush NEVER said that Saddam was directly responsible for 9-11. Libs are as much to blame as anyone for spreading that rumor.

2 points.

1. FOX is the mouthpiece for the GOP. To this day FOX continues to hype and distort the non-existent relevant ties between Saddam and 9/11. It was and is in the administration's best interest to have the public uninformed on that matter.

The polling, conducted by the Program on International Policy (PIPA) at the University of Maryland and Knowledge Networks, also reveals that the frequency of these misperceptions varies significantly according to individuals’ primary source of news. Those who primarily watch Fox News are significantly more likely to have misperceptions, while those who primarily listen to NPR or watch PBS are significantly less likely.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/p...security_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102&lb=brusc

2. What Libs were spreading that false rumor? Dick Morris doesn't count.

 

[Gill]

2 points.

1. FOX is the mouthpiece for the GOP. To this day FOX continues to hype and distort the non-existent relevant ties between Saddam and 9/11. It was and is in the administration's best interest to have the public uninformed on that matter.

You'll need to prove that Fox is 'hyping and distorting' the ties between Saddam and 9/11. That Fox is the mouthpiece for the GOP is your opinion and you are entitled to it. What is laughable is when libs go to great lengths to discredit our opinion that other news outlets are liberal, yet refuse to acknowledge their own biases. You, like most other libs, confuse opinion shows on Fox with their hard news shows.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/p...security_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102&lb=brusc

This is a very old poll. Got anything current? I also object to the polls definition of "misperception".

2. What Libs were spreading that false rumor? Dick Morris doesn't count

YOU...

Bush has certainly tried to fool the people into believing that Saddam and 9/11 were connected.

 

[hipsterdufus]

You'll need to prove that Fox is 'hyping and distorting' the ties between Saddam and 9/11. That Fox is the mouthpiece for the GOP is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

The proof has been done much better than I ever could in any of the following:

What Liberal Media? - Eric Alterman
http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/

Outfoxed - Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism
http://www.outfoxed.org/

Newshounds:
http://www.newshounds.us/

Blinded By The Right - David Brock
The Republican Noise Machine - David Brock
http://mediamatters.org/

What is laughable is when libs go to great lengths to discredit our opinion that other news outlets are liberal, yet refuse to acknowledge their own biases. You, like most other libs, confuse opinion shows on Fox with their hard news shows.

The lines are blurred on Fox on what you would call straight news and opinion shows. I see very little difference between O'Reilly, Cavuto, Hume, Hannity, Shepard Smith, Greta Van Facelift, and Chris Wallace. They all add opinion to their reporting. Stephen Colbert could fill in for any of them and wouldn't miss a beat. Are you talking about other people?

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/p...security_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102&lb=brusc

This is a very old poll. Got anything current? I also object to the polls definition of "misperception".

It's a little over 2 years old - I don't think Fox has raised their "journalistic standards" any since then, do you? I'll let you know when a new poll is done.

 

[Gill]

The proof has been done much better than I ever could in any of the following:

What Liberal Media? - Eric Alterman
http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/

Outfoxed - Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism
http://www.outfoxed.org/

Newshounds:
http://www.newshounds.us/

Blinded By The Right - David Brock
The Republican Noise Machine - David Brock
http://mediamatters.org/

I find it laughable that you use FAR left wing web sites as proof that Fox is right wing.

The lines are blurred on Fox on what you would call straight news and opinion shows. I see very little difference between O'Reilly, Cavuto, Hume, Hannity, Shepard Smith, Greta Van Facelift, and Chris Wallace. They all add opinion to their reporting. Stephen Colbert could fill in for any of them and wouldn't miss a beat. Are you talking about other people?

Except that all the shows you list are OPINION shows. Why don't you show that the actual news that is interspersed within each show in biased. For instance on O'Reilly, actual news is given about every 15 minutes or so.

It's a little over 2 years old - I don't think Fox has raised their "journalistic standards" any since then, do you? I'll let you know when a new poll is done.

Since I don't have a problem with their "journalistic standards", I don't think they needed to be raised.

 

[hipsterdufus]

I find it laughable that you use FAR left wing web sites as proof that Fox is right wing.

That reply avoids the question entirely.

In Outfoxed, former employees like Frank O'Donnel, Jon Dupre and Diana Withrop talk openly about how they were ordered from the top to produce right wing fluff pieces and right wing propoganda. These people are career journalists, not being used to being told what stories to do, and what stories to avoid. They also discuss how anyone who refused to produce the fluff pieces was let go, and how the main focus at Fox isn't to report the news, but to be proponets of a point of view. Reporters were also ordered to focus on race issues, run stories against AIDS research, downplay the importance of the 9-11 commission, downplay Abu Ghriab etc. etc.

http://www.outfoxed.org/docs/outfoxed_transcript.pdf (page 7,8,11,13,14)

"It's unfair, it's slanted and it's a hit job. And I haven't even seen it yet." -Eric Shawn, FOX News Reporter

http://www.outfoxed.org/

Except that all the shows you list are OPINION shows. Why don't you show that the actual news that is interspersed within each show in biased. For instance on O'Reilly, actual news is given about every 15 minutes or so.

Then what shows on Fox News AREN'T opinion shows?

Former Fox News Contributor Jeff Cohen said the following, and I agree wholeheartedly:

"It's very hard on Fox News to separate news from commentary because it all blends together. That's what makes it so ridiculous (their slogan "We Report, You Decide") because there's no TV news channel in history that's reported less."

http://www.outfoxed.org/docs/outfoxed_transcript.pdf p.22

O'Reilly tells his sheep that liberals hate America, then for 2 minutes we see the news of the day, then back to how I hate my country.

Lather Rinse Repeat 24-7

Since I don't have a problem with their "journalistic standards", I don't think they needed to be raised.

There is no journalism at Fox. Period.



It's well documented that the issues of the day, and how they will be spun by the "reporters", come in the form of a memo from Roger Ailes, John Moodey and/or Rupert Murdoch.

 

[Gill]

Then what shows on Fox NewsAREN'Topinion shows?
O'Reilly tells his sheep that I hate America, then for 2 minutes we see the news of the day, then back to how I hate my country.

It is obvious that you never watch O'Reilly as the above is a gross distortion. He has never said this or implied it. You shouldn't really comment of things that you know nothing about except what you read on left wing websites.

The solution is very simple... don't watch Fox News. I hardly think that they would care since their ratings are the highest of any cable news channel. Quite frankly, they don't need you.

I personally don't watch MSNBC because in my opinion it is blather. Obviously many people agree since their ratings are in the toilet.

 

[hipsterdufus]

It is obvious that you never watch O'Reilly as the above is a gross distortion. He has never said this or implied it. You shouldn't really comment of things that you know nothing about except what you read on left wing websites.

You must have blinders on: click on a few of these hate filled video clips or transcripts at one of my favorite websites "Sweet Jesus I Hate Bill O'Reilly" and get back to me.

http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/archive.html

The solution is very simple... don't watch Fox News. I hardly think that they would care since their ratings are the highest of any cable news channel. Quite frankly, they don't need you.

I don't watch Fox at all. Ever. The channel is off my TV.

I am, however, very interested in the lies and distortions that Faux is spewing to their sheeple. I regularly monitor sites that watch Fox so I don't have to.

It's a nice end to my day by sitting back and laughing with others by analyzing the total crap Fox puts on the air on a daily basis. Funnier still is that anyone buys it.

I personally don't watch MSNBC because in my opinion it is blather. Obviously many people agree since their ratings are in the toilet.

I agree with you there. 75% of MSNBC's primetime lineup total blather:

Chris Matthews - interrupting cow who's stuck in the closet with Tom Cruise.
Scarborough - uninformed hack
Carlson - dick w/ a bow tie

I only watch one show on MSNBC - 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.

 

[hipsterdufus]

This is a good one.

When asked by a German paper what the high point of his presidency was, Bush replied "I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound perch in my lake."

Even that's a lie. The largest perch ever caught was 4 pounds, 3 ounces. :doh

Did anyone mention that it's a man-made lake on Bush's compound, and it's stocked? Probably the Secret Service SCUBA Divers put the fish on the line.

Harford County Yellow Perch Sets World Record
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Last weekend, Phil Deer, Jr. of Delta, Pennsylvania caught a record setting yellow perch in a pond in Harford County. The perch is the largest ever caught in Maryland and the fourth largest on record in the world. DNR confirmed the perch’s size as 3 pounds, 5 ounces and 16 ¼ inches long, which eclipsed the Maryland record of 2 pounds 6.75 ounces set at Deep Creek Lake in 2003. Worldwide, Deer’s fish places behind a 4 pound, 3 ounce perch caught in New Jersey in 1865; a 3 pound, 12 ounce perch caught in Michigan in 1947; and a 3 pound, 8 ounce perch caught in New York in 1982. All records are for the fresh water division.

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/dnrnews/pressrelease2006/031606a.html

 

[mpg]

You must have blinders on: click on a few of these hate filled video clips or transcripts at one of my favorite websites "Sweet Jesus I Hate Bill O'Reilly" and get back to me.

http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/archive.html



I don't watch Fox at all. Ever. The channel is off my TV.

I am, however, very interested in the lies and distortions that Faux is spewing to their sheeple. I regularly monitor sites that watch Fox so I don't have to.

It's a nice end to my day by sitting back and laughing with others by analyzing the total crap Fox puts on the air on a daily basis. Funnier still is that anyone buys it.



I agree with you there. 75% of MSNBC's primetime lineup total blather:

Chris Matthews - interrupting cow who's stuck in the closet with Tom Cruise.
Scarborough - uninformed hack
Carlson - dick w/ a bow tie

I only watch one show on MSNBC - 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.

Hating someone because they hate is pure hypocracy. That's incredibly obvious.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Hating someone because they hate is pure hypocracy. That's incredibly obvious.

Do you have a point?

 

[mpg]

Do you have a point?

It couldn't be more obvious. I didn't use any kind of code. There's no hidden message. I wasn't being figurative. Do you understand English?

 

[hipsterdufus]

Do you have a point?

I guess not....

 

[Pacridge]

This is a good one.

When asked by a German paper what the high point of his presidency was, Bush replied "I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound perch in my lake."

Even that's a lie. The largest perch ever caught was 4 pounds, 3 ounces. :doh

Did anyone mention that it's a man-made lake on Bush's compound, and it's stocked? Probably the Secret Service SCUBA Divers put the fish on the line.


http://www.dnr.state.md.us/dnrnews/pressrelease2006/031606a.html

I've read Bass and I've read Perch. Which did he actually say?

 

[mpg]

I guess not....

It must take a tremendous effort to live such a sheltered life.

 

[hipsterdufus]

It must take a tremendous effort to live such a sheltered life.

Agreed. Well, Bush's father had the same problem. Remember when Senior didn't recognize a grocery scanner?

I think that's what happens when almost all of Bush's events are staged to pre-screened audiences.

 

[hipsterdufus]

I've read Bass and I've read Perch. Which did he actually say?

He said perch, then the WH changed the transcript after the fact to bass.

 

[Captain America]

All fishermen lie except you and me. And I wonder about you sometimes.:roll:

Here's one i caught on a cane pole last weekend using a night crawler.:roll:

 

[Thorgasm]

All fishermen lie except you and me. And I wonder about you sometimes.:roll:

Here's one i caught on a cane pole last weekend using a night crawler.:roll:

Heck! That's not a fish. That is what you use to catch a fish, it's called bait!:rofl

 

[Gill]

He said perch, then the WH changed the transcript after the fact to bass.

"I would say the best moment was when I caught a 7 1/2-pound largemouth bass on my lake," Bush said, laughing.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/7343.html

There are NO yellow perch in Texas.

 

[mpg]

Agreed. Well, Bush's father had the same problem. Remember when Senior didn't recognize a grocery scanner?

I think that's what happens when almost all of Bush's events are staged to pre-screened audiences.

I remember the scanner incident. That kind of shelter has more to do with laziness than effort.

I don't understand your last sentence.