Richard Dawkins declares there are only two sexes as matter of science: 'That's all there is to it' (1 Viewer)

[nota bene]

During a recent interview with British journalist Piers Morgan, famed atheist and biologist Richard Dawkins declared that "there are two sexes, and that’s all there is to it."

He added that LGBTQ activists looking to discredit the reality of two biological sexes are pushing "utter nonsense."

Dawkins further noted that those going after Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling for her commitment to the reality of two sexes are "bullies." https://www.foxnews.com/media/richard-dawkins-declares-only-two-sexes-matter-science-thats-all

I just thought I'd add Dawkins's opinion to the ongoing debate on this issue.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Biologically speaking it's true but scientists deal with sexes, whereas society deals with gender and a small minority of people's gender is different from the sex they were assigned at birth and it's the job of society to accommodate these people at least to the level where they are left alone and not penalized for being who they are.

I don't want to date a trans person, I'm not the least bit interested in the blessings and/or curses of the trans life, I'll never remember all the stupid "pronouns" we're supposed to use and I don't think children need early medical intervention until they are emotionally and socially mature enough to understand better.

But I also object to seeing them treated poorly by another minority, the Religious Right, who despite their numbers, seem to have put together a war chest for the express purpose of punishing these people for simply being who and what they are.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I also am convinced that the only reason today's Republican Party seems to have glommed onto the trans issue so heavily is because its a useful distraction from their core plans to transform the USA into a theocratically driven soft dictatorship, where you get to vote all you want...as long as it is for candidates who are approved by a "panel of experts" who have the power and authority to overturn elections that they don't like, to the point where democracy is for all practical purposes nonexistent.

We have a neighbor to the South of us that functioned that way for almost eighty years.
And we have a hostile adversary six thousand miles to the East of us who prefers the steroid enhanced version of that model and is willing to risk war for it.

 

[nota bene]

Biologically speaking it's true but scientists deal with sexes, whereas society deals with gender and a small minority of people's gender is different from the sex they were assigned at birth and it's the job of society to accommodate these people at least to the level where they are left alone and not penalized for being who they are.

I don't want to date a trans person, I'm not the least bit interested in the blessings and/or curses of the trans life, I'll never remember all the stupid "pronouns" we're supposed to use and I don't think children need early medical intervention until they are emotionally and socially mature enough to understand better.

But I also object to seeing them treated poorly by another minority, the Religious Right, who despite their numbers, seem to have put together a war chest for the express purpose of punishing these people for simply being who and what they are.

Mistreating anybody is wrong.

Laughing at the pronouns. I utterly refuse to use them. I oppose the use of "their" for "everybody," "everyone," "anybody," "anyone," "somebody", "someone," and "each" because they all mean "one." Terribly confusing for second-language speakers," and these new pronouns are also incorrect. "Their" is a plural, so again, it's incorrect and confusing. Hmmmpf, English speakers should be grateful that our language is so gender-neutral compared to other Romance languages.

 

[ProgressPlease]

Dawkins, Sam Harris, Michael Shermer, et al, have been saying this for a long time.

In the US the right wing has decided to weaponize and exploit the divide on all things gender identity. Because of this many democrats have reflexively taken the exact opposite position. This is the toxicity of American politics.

It's helpful to remember that the majority of people do question minors having medical interventions and whether transwomen can fairly and safely play on women's teams. This includes democrats, liberals, and progressives.

It's an incredible shame that this has become so politicized, leaving little room for any nuance on a topic that deserves and requires a lot of compassion and thoughtful conversation.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Mistreating anybody is wrong.

Laughing at the pronouns. I utterly refuse to use them. I oppose the use of "their" for "everybody," "everyone," "anybody," "anyone," "somebody", "someone," and "each" because they all mean "one." Terribly confusing for second-language speakers," and these new pronouns are also incorrect. "Their" is a plural, so again, it's incorrect and confusing. Hmmmpf, English speakers should be grateful that our language is so gender-neutral compared to other Romance languages.

English is not a Romance language. It's Germanic.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Mistreating anybody is wrong.

Laughing at the pronouns. I utterly refuse to use them. I oppose the use of "their" for "everybody," "everyone," "anybody," "anyone," "somebody", "someone," and "each" because they all mean "one." Terribly confusing for second-language speakers," and these new pronouns are also incorrect. "Their" is a plural, so again, it's incorrect and confusing. Hmmmpf, English speakers should be grateful that our language is so gender-neutral compared to other Romance languages.

If you were introduced to someone and they asked to be referred to by certain pronouns you would refuse the request, to their face?

 

[Rawley]

Dawkins, Sam Harris, Michael Shermer, et al, have been saying this for a long time.

In the US the right wing has decided to weaponize and exploit the divide on all things gender identity. Because of this many democrats have reflexively taken the exact opposite position. This is the toxicity of American politics.

It's helpful to remember that the majority of people do question minors having medical interventions and whether transwomen can fairly and safely play on women's teams. This includes democrats, liberals, and progressives.

It's an incredible shame that this has become so politicized, leaving little room for any nuance on a topic that deserves and requires a lot of compassion and thoughtful conversation.

I'll disagree. The "right wing" is playing defense here. It's progressives that have pushed to redefine things that have traditionally been defined based on "sex" to be defined on the now indefinable "gender." Sports participation, bathrooms, discrimination... Progressives are the ones pushing for sexualization of curriculum in schools. Progressives are ones pushing for kids coming out and transitioning at ten, eleven twelve years old.

Where you see weaponization and exploitation, I see defense.

 

[JMB802]

I suspect that 95% of the posters who complain about such matters are rarely exposed to atypical gender interactions as they go about their day.

 

[Rawley]

If you were introduced to someone and they asked to be referred to by certain pronouns you would refuse the request, to their face?

Does this happen to you often? I guess I live in a different world, but when you are introduced to someone, they tell you what pronouns to call them by?

 

[noonereal]

During a recent interview with British journalist Piers Morgan, famed atheist and biologist Richard Dawkins declared that "there are two sexes, and that’s all there is to it."

He added that LGBTQ activists looking to discredit the reality of two biological sexes are pushing "utter nonsense."

Dawkins further noted that those going after Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling for her commitment to the reality of two sexes are "bullies." https://www.foxnews.com/media/richard-dawkins-declares-only-two-sexes-matter-science-thats-all

I just thought I'd add Dawkins's opinion to the ongoing debate on this issue.

Well, there are only two sexes. Not really breaking news.

 

[j brown's body]

I'll disagree. The "right wing" is playing defense here. It's progressives that have pushed to redefine things that have traditionally been defined based on "sex" to be defined on the now indefinable "gender." Sports participation, bathrooms, discrimination... Progressives are the ones pushing for sexualization of curriculum in schools. Progressives are ones pushing for kids coming out and transitioning at ten, eleven twelve years old.

Where you see weaponization and exploitation, I see defense.

Progressives simply make space for people to identify as they are, conservatives don't want them to have that space. It's as simple as that.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

During a recent interview with British journalist Piers Morgan, famed atheist and biologist Richard Dawkins declared that "there are two sexes, and that’s all there is to it."

He added that LGBTQ activists looking to discredit the reality of two biological sexes are pushing "utter nonsense."

Dawkins further noted that those going after Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling for her commitment to the reality of two sexes are "bullies." https://www.foxnews.com/media/richard-dawkins-declares-only-two-sexes-matter-science-thats-all

I just thought I'd add Dawkins's opinion to the ongoing debate on this issue.

Does he not realize the debate is about psychology and not biology?

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Dawkins, Sam Harris, Michael Shermer, et al, have been saying this for a long time.

In the US the right wing has decided to weaponize and exploit the divide on all things gender identity. Because of this many democrats have reflexively taken the exact opposite position. This is the toxicity of American politics.

Opposing the villainization of a minority should be "reflexive" to everyone. It's not toxic, and it's not politics, it's the right thing to do.

 

[Rawley]

Progressives simply make space for people to identify as they are, conservatives don't want them to have that space. It's as simple as that.

I have no problem if people want to identify as an eggplant. I do have a problem if a boy wants to take my daughter's place on a girls sport's team.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

The "right wing" is playing defense here.

Not even close.

 

[ProgressPlease]

Opposing the villainization of a minority should be "reflexive" to everyone. It's not toxic, and it's not politics, it's the right thing to do.

Everyone decent can agree villainization and dehumanization of others is abhorrent.
Good people can also see potential issues when it comes to medical transition for minors and transwomen who have experienced male puberty, competing in the women's sport category.

 

[HonestJoe]

"Their" is a plural, so again, it's incorrect and confusing.

Well of course, anyone is free to make that assertion but they would only be demonstrating their ignorance.

 

[JMB802]

I have no problem if people want to identify as an eggplant. I do have a problem if a boy wants to take my daughter's place on a girls sport's team.

Has that happened?

 

[VanceMack]

Never have so many lost their minds over basic provable scientific reality.

 

[Fearandloathing]

During a recent interview with British journalist Piers Morgan, famed atheist and biologist Richard Dawkins declared that "there are two sexes, and that’s all there is to it."

He added that LGBTQ activists looking to discredit the reality of two biological sexes are pushing "utter nonsense."

Dawkins further noted that those going after Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling for her commitment to the reality of two sexes are "bullies." https://www.foxnews.com/media/richard-dawkins-declares-only-two-sexes-matter-science-thats-all

I just thought I'd add Dawkins's opinion to the ongoing debate on this issue.

Richard Dawkins knows this because the god he doesn't believe in told him so.

Hay Richard.....science is NEVER settled. Science explores theories, which at one time including the creation myth.

 

[Gaius46]

Mistreating anybody is wrong.

Laughing at the pronouns. I utterly refuse to use them. I oppose the use of "their" for "everybody," "everyone," "anybody," "anyone," "somebody", "someone," and "each" because they all mean "one." Terribly confusing for second-language speakers," and these new pronouns are also incorrect. "Their" is a plural, so again, it's incorrect and confusing. Hmmmpf, English speakers should be grateful that our language is so gender-neutral compared to other Romance languages.

Hyper hair splittingly anal retentive grammar nazi - "them" is correct usage when the sex of a person is unknown as in "See that person over there? Ask them if they know how to get to Yankee Stadium."

 

[ALiberalModerate]

During a recent interview with British journalist Piers Morgan, famed atheist and biologist Richard Dawkins declared that "there are two sexes, and that’s all there is to it."

He added that LGBTQ activists looking to discredit the reality of two biological sexes are pushing "utter nonsense."

Dawkins further noted that those going after Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling for her commitment to the reality of two sexes are "bullies." https://www.foxnews.com/media/richard-dawkins-declares-only-two-sexes-matter-science-thats-all

I just thought I'd add Dawkins's opinion to the ongoing debate on this issue.

It's a strawman argument. No one is claiming there are more than 2 biological sexes. To say there are more than 2 biological sexes would be utter nonsense. However, gender, unlike biological sex, is a human construct. So just because there are 2 biological sexes, does not mean that gender must always match them, is the same thing as biological sex, or that there are only 2 gender identities.

For example, money and religion are human constructs. There is no biological money or biological religion. If everyone on earth died suddenly and a million years from now aliens came along and discovered our fossils, there would be zero evidence of money or religion, because those are human constructs. However, it would be absurd to claim that money and religion don't exist.

 

[ProgressPlease]

It's a strawman argument. No one is claiming there are more than 2 biological sexes. To say there are more than 2 biological sexes would be utter nonsense. However, gender, unlike biological sex, is a human construct. So just because there are 2 biological sexes, does not mean that gender must always match them, is the same thing as biological sex, or that there are only 2 gender identities.

For example, money and religion are human constructs. There is no biological money or biological religion. If everything on earth died suddenly and a million years from now aliens came along and discovered our fossils, there would be zero evidence of money or religion, because those are human constructs. However, it would be absurd to claim that money and religion don't exist.

There are absolutely people claiming there are more than 2 sexes. Including people on these forums.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

There are absolutely people claiming there are more than 2 sexes. Including people on these forums.

Link to an example post of someone on here claiming there are more than 2 biological sexes.