RFK Jr., the most dangerous nepo baby in American history, testified today not under oath

[Mika-El]

And they probably advocate vaccinations too. And competent people in important positions.

Yes but we have incompetent people in important positions. That seems to be a prevalent condition with no cure but hey I get your point lol.

Regards

A Canadian

 

[Gordy327]

Yes but we have incompetent people in important positions. That seems to be a prevalent condition with no cure but hey I get your point lol.

Regards

A Canadian

I cannot argue that.

 

[Pyrite]

The vax has caused harm. Myocarditis in young boys has been proven and widely published.

I've not heard him say anything about death from the vax.

Again, a citation would be nice.

Thanks for mentioning myocarditis and covid-19. I copied and saved this article a couple of years ago - and now I have a use for it:

Here's Why Vaccines Probably Didn't Cause Bronny James' Cardiac Arrest—Despite Musk's Claims

Research shows that myocarditis from the Covid-19 vaccine is rare, but a basketball player going into sudden cardiac arrest is not unheard-of.

www.forbes.com

... Myocarditis—or inflammation of the heart muscle—is a rare side-effect of the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna, but it can be triggered by many other things, such as viruses like the coronavirus itself, bacteria and infections, according to the Yale School of Medicine.

 Reports of myocarditis are extremely rare compared to the total vaccinated population: Of 192,405,448 people who received the mRNA-based Covid-19 vaccines between December 2020 and August 2021, 1,626 reported side effects that met the “case definition of myocarditis,” research published in JAMA Network last year found.

 Heart complications like myocarditis and pericarditis are actually more common after contracting Covid-19 than after receiving a vaccine, according to a study published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last year—even among young men and teenage boys, who are more likely to face myocarditis from vaccines.

 2021 CDC study found people who contracted Covid-19 are 15.7 times more likely to face myocarditis than their uninfected peers, with the risk of myocarditis higher among males, and a 2022 American Heart Association study found that “about 3 in every 1,000 patients hospitalized due to a COVID-19 infection developed acute myocarditis.”...

 

[Pyrite]

RFK Jr is a mad man. His deceased father, mother, uncles, and aunts would roll over in their graves if they had to listen to this lunatic.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/rfk-jr-operation-warp-speed-covid-vaccines-donald-trump-10f56acc?mod=trending_now_opn_1

Editorial

September 4, 2025

Is Robert F. Kennedy Jr. suffering from long Covid? His memory was foggy during a Senate hearing on Thursday, in which the Health and Human Services Secretary hailed as “genius” President Trump’s Operation Warp Speed, which produced Covid vaccines in record time. Mr. Trump must have liked hearing that.

But these are the same vaccines that RFK has also called “a crime against humanity.” So which is it, Mr. Kennedy: Was Mr. Trump’s vaccine operation a triumph or a government catastrophe?

Mr. Kennedy has lambasted the mRNA technology that underlies the Moderna and Pfizer Covid vaccines as unsafe and ineffective, never mind that they have saved millions of lives around the world. He has called the Covid jabs the “deadliest vaccine ever made.” Last month he moved to end $500 million in contracts for other mRNA vaccine development.

Louisiana GOP Sen. Bill Cassidy on Thursday asked the slippery Mr. Kennedy if he agreed with Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla’s statement this week that Mr. Trump deserved a Nobel Peace Prize for Operation Warp Speed.

Mr. Kennedy concurred, saying that the project rapidly “got the vaccine to market that was perfectly matched to the virus at that time, when it was badly needed because there was low natural immunity and/or people getting very badly injured by COVID.” Yes, and the reason for the vaccines’ rapid development was mRNA technology, which Mr. Kennedy wants to abandon.

The secretary has stacked an official vaccine advisory panel with people who share his skepticism of vaccines. One concern is that they could change vaccine recommendations to limit access, which Susan Monarez, the former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, says that she tried to stop before she was pushed out last week.

Mr. Kennedy came under fire at Thursday’s hearing from both Democrats and Republicans over his moves to undermine vaccines. “In your confirmation hearings, you promised to uphold the highest standards for vaccines,” Wyoming GOP Sen. John Barrasso said. “Since then, I’ve grown deeply concerned.” Mr. Kennedy struggled to defend his inconsistencies....

 

[eohrnberger]

Lol.

You didnt read.

No, I did read.
What you can't seem to accept is that other people can have opinions / positions differing from the Dems, Libs, and Prog's party line.
That's more a 'you' problem than anything else.

 

[NolanVoyd]

No, I did read.
What you can't seem to accept is that other people can have opinions / positions differing from the Dems, Libs, and Prog's party line.
That's more a 'you' problem than anything else.

This isnt the Dems, Libs, and Prog's party line.

Its reality.

"Research and analysis confirm that official COVID-19 death tolls were significantly underreported globally and in the United States. The most reliable method for determining the pandemic's true toll has been by measuring "excess deaths".
Excess deaths are the total number of deaths from all causes that exceed the number of deaths expected during a normal, non-pandemic time period. By this measure, studies consistently show the pandemic's true death count was dramatically higher than official COVID-19 records."

Key evidence of underreporting

• World Health Organization (WHO) estimates: A May 2022 WHO report estimated 14.9 million excess deaths worldwide by the end of 2021. This was 2.7 times higher than the 5.42 million officially reported COVID-19 deaths during the same period.
• Studies in the United States: Research in the U.S. has found a large gap between official COVID-19 fatalities and excess deaths. For example, one analysis found that during the first two years of the pandemic, there were between 130,000 and 412,000 more excess deaths than officially reported COVID-19 deaths.
• International disparities: India was highlighted by the WHO as a country with a vastly higher estimated death toll than officially reported. The WHO estimated 4.74 million pandemic deaths in India in 2020 and 2021, compared to the country's official 481,000 deaths.

Reasons for underreporting

• Limited testing and diagnosis: Early in the pandemic, a lack of testing meant many people died at home or in other settings without a confirmed COVID-19 diagnosis, so the cause was missed on death certificates.
• Misclassification of cause of death: Even with a diagnosis, doctors may have cited other contributing factors on a death certificate instead of COVID-19. This was more common early on when the full clinical effects of the disease were not yet understood.
• Impact of healthcare disruptions: Deaths from other conditions, such as heart disease or chronic illnesses, increased during COVID-19 surges. These can be considered an indirect effect of the pandemic, with people delaying or forgoing medical care out of fear or due to overwhelmed hospitals.
• Geographic disparities and political factors: Studies in the U.S. found that undercounting was more significant in rural areas and in counties with lower community awareness or political bias against acknowledging the pandemic.
• Lack of reliable data: Many lower-income countries lack the infrastructure to accurately register and report all deaths, especially during a crisis.
• Lag in reporting: Provisional data can be incomplete for weeks or months, even in countries with advanced systems.

 

[NOLA Dude]

Thanks for mentioning myocarditis and covid-19. I copied and saved this article a couple of years ago - and now I have a use for it:

Here's Why Vaccines Probably Didn't Cause Bronny James' Cardiac Arrest—Despite Musk's Claims

Research shows that myocarditis from the Covid-19 vaccine is rare, but a basketball player going into sudden cardiac arrest is not unheard-of.

www.forbes.com

... Myocarditis—or inflammation of the heart muscle—is a rare side-effect of the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna, but it can be triggered by many other things, such as viruses like the coronavirus itself, bacteria and infections, according to the Yale School of Medicine.

 Reports of myocarditis are extremely rare compared to the total vaccinated population: Of 192,405,448 people who received the mRNA-based Covid-19 vaccines between December 2020 and August 2021, 1,626 reported side effects that met the “case definition of myocarditis,” research published in JAMA Network last year found.

 Heart complications like myocarditis and pericarditis are actually more common after contracting Covid-19 than after receiving a vaccine, according to a study published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last year—even among young men and teenage boys, who are more likely to face myocarditis from vaccines.

 2021 CDC study found people who contracted Covid-19 are 15.7 times more likely to face myocarditis than their uninfected peers, with the risk of myocarditis higher among males, and a 2022 American Heart Association study found that “about 3 in every 1,000 patients hospitalized due to a COVID-19 infection developed acute myocarditis.”...

Was that the same CDC that hid the myocarditis from the public for 6 months? And you want us to believe their stats? Give me a break.

And I'm laughing at your article thats nothing but speculation.

 

[eohrnberger]

This isnt the Dems, Libs, and Prog's party line.

Its reality.

"Research and analysis confirm that official COVID-19 death tolls were significantly underreported globally and in the United States. The most reliable method for determining the pandemic's true toll has been by measuring "excess deaths".
Excess deaths are the total number of deaths from all causes that exceed the number of deaths expected during a normal, non-pandemic time period. By this measure, studies consistently show the pandemic's true death count was dramatically higher than official COVID-19 records."

Key evidence of underreporting

• World Health Organization (WHO) estimates: A May 2022 WHO report estimated 14.9 million excess deaths worldwide by the end of 2021. This was 2.7 times higher than the 5.42 million officially reported COVID-19 deaths during the same period.
• Studies in the United States: Research in the U.S. has found a large gap between official COVID-19 fatalities and excess deaths. For example, one analysis found that during the first two years of the pandemic, there were between 130,000 and 412,000 more excess deaths than officially reported COVID-19 deaths.
• International disparities: India was highlighted by the WHO as a country with a vastly higher estimated death toll than officially reported. The WHO estimated 4.74 million pandemic deaths in India in 2020 and 2021, compared to the country's official 481,000 deaths.

Reasons for underreporting

• Limited testing and diagnosis: Early in the pandemic, a lack of testing meant many people died at home or in other settings without a confirmed COVID-19 diagnosis, so the cause was missed on death certificates.
• Misclassification of cause of death: Even with a diagnosis, doctors may have cited other contributing factors on a death certificate instead of COVID-19. This was more common early on when the full clinical effects of the disease were not yet understood.
• Impact of healthcare disruptions: Deaths from other conditions, such as heart disease or chronic illnesses, increased during COVID-19 surges. These can be considered an indirect effect of the pandemic, with people delaying or forgoing medical care out of fear or due to overwhelmed hospitals.
• Geographic disparities and political factors: Studies in the U.S. found that undercounting was more significant in rural areas and in counties with lower community awareness or political bias against acknowledging the pandemic.
• Lack of reliable data: Many lower-income countries lack the infrastructure to accurately register and report all deaths, especially during a crisis.
• Lag in reporting: Provisional data can be incomplete for weeks or months, even in countries with advanced systems.

Reposting what you've already posted isn't an argument, nor a discussion.

What I posted in response to this still stands, and still has a question posted to you which begs for an response.

 

[eohrnberger]

Was that the same CDC that hid the myocarditis from the public for 6 months?

I recall that the question of myocarditis came up later, much later, after the COVID vaccines were administered to the general public.

I'd be interested in the supporting evidence that the CDC 'hid' the myocarditis issues / concern / question / data 'from the public for 6 months'.
Not trying to hassle you or anything, but if there's evidence that this is the case, it supports the over all fall in trust and credibility the CDC has in the minds of a large part of the population.

Both, the CDC 'hiding' those things and the CDC's credibility with the population needs to be fixed.

And you want us to believe their stats? Give me a break.

And I'm laughing at your article thats nothing but speculation.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Reposting what you've already posted isn't an argument, nor a discussion.

Saying the actual reality and research from health organizations in the US and around the world is "Dems, Libs, and Prog's party line." Is just dumb.

 

[BirdinHand]

I recall that the question of myocarditis came up later, much later, after the COVID vaccines were administered to the general public.

I'd be interested in the supporting evidence that the CDC 'hid' the myocarditis issues / concern / question / data 'from the public for 6 months'.
Not trying to hassle you or anything, but if there's evidence that this is the case, it supports the over all fall in trust and credibility the CDC has in the minds of a large part of the population.

Both, the CDC 'hiding' those things and the CDC's credibility with the population needs to be fixed.

Myocarditis was a known potential risk that could impact individuals from when the COVID vaccines were still under EUA.

 

[eohrnberger]

Saying the actual reality and research from health organizations in the US and around the world is "Dems, Libs, and Prog's party line." Is just dumb.

I see you missed the point in that last post. Seems purposefully so.
Be that as it may.

The other point which I raised, which I referred to as still begging for a response is:

why people want to over report COVID deaths this way, why would they want to make it look like COVID was far worse than it was, I mean it was bad enough already. Why make it out to be worse? What's the point of that?​

This ties back to the clearly two valid and supported ways to interpret the COVID mortalities.

By insisting that 'death “with” COVID-19' is more legitimate versus ' “from” COVID-19', you are, in fact, making COVID deaths to appear worse.

I'm asking why you are insisting on making COVID mortalities worse?

 

[eohrnberger]

Myocarditis was a known potential risk that could impact individuals from when the COVID vaccines were still under EUA.

Non responsive to my post.

 

[NOLA Dude]

I recall that the question of myocarditis came up later, much later, after the COVID vaccines were administered to the general public.

I'd be interested in the supporting evidence that the CDC 'hid' the myocarditis issues / concern / question / data 'from the public for 6 months'.
Not trying to hassle you or anything, but if there's evidence that this is the case, it supports the over all fall in trust and credibility the CDC has in the minds of a large part of the population.

Both, the CDC 'hiding' those things and the CDC's credibility with the population needs to be fixed.

Right and the left wants to use the same people that lied during covid and data from those same people to try to make their points now. Ridiculous

 

[NolanVoyd]

I see you missed the point in that last post. Seems purposefully so.
Be that as it may.

I didnt get past the lie that the actual reseaerch from health organizations in the US and around the world was the "Dems, Libs, and Prog's party line."

The other point which I raised, which I referred to as still begging for a response is:

why people want to over report COVID deaths this way, why would they want to make it look like COVID was far worse than it was, I mean it was bad enough already. Why make it out to be worse? What's the point of that?​

Covid deaths were not overreported. That is a lie you fell for.

In fact they were under reported, as i proved.

 

[BirdinHand]

By insisting that 'death “with” COVID-19' is more legitimate versus ' “from” COVID-19', you are, in fact, making COVID deaths to appear worse

If a person that had months or years to live from an underlying condition such as CHF or kidney disease dies when they get Covid and experience complications from Covid that exasperate their underlying condition - what killed them?

They would have lived for months or years longer had it not been for contracting Covid.

That’s a hair you want to split?


Why?

 

[NolanVoyd]

Right and the left wants to use the same people that lied during covid and data from those same people to try to make their points now. Ridiculous

They didnt lie.

You fell for lies and conspiracy theories.

 

[Schweddy]

Mr. Kennedy concurred, saying that the project rapidly “got the vaccine to market that was perfectly matched to the virus at that time, when it was badly needed because there was low natural immunity and/or people getting very badly injured by COVID.” Yes, and the reason for the vaccines’ rapid development was mRNA technology, which Mr. Kennedy wants to abandon.

Negative. He has stated before that the reason mRNA against virus is ineffective is because the spike protein mutates extremely fast. Often much faster than the virus itself.
This is the reason why research funding for mRNA vax was cut.

Logically it would mean that "at the time" they worked well, but rapidly became ineffective over time.

They are working on a new mega vax not using mRNA tech btw. PLUS they are putting millions into cancer research using mRNA.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

I recall that the question of myocarditis came up later, much later, after the COVID vaccines were administered to the general public.

I'd be interested in the supporting evidence that the CDC 'hid' the myocarditis issues / concern / question / data 'from the public for 6 months'.
Not trying to hassle you or anything, but if there's evidence that this is the case, it supports the over all fall in trust and credibility the CDC has in the minds of a large part of the population.

Both, the CDC 'hiding' those things and the CDC's credibility with the population needs to be fixed.

The right-wing media is big on claiming vaccines are to blame for the ills of the world, particularly the COVID vaccine. The right-wing objected to getting a vaccine and they objected to wearing masks to slow the spread of the COVID epidemic. They fought common sense throughout the pandemic.

Largely, this has to do with the lying trash at Faux and the other propaganda outlets spreading disinformation (often calling COVID-19 "the flu", when it was obviously not the flu.

Over 1 million Americans died from the disease. The right-wing propaganda spewers attacked the vaccine when it came out. Ask yourself this question - Why did the right-wing not want people to recover from or avoid contracting COVID-19?

It certainly very clear that the right-wing did not want people to get better and remain safe from COVID-19. <---- This is the only logical conclusion when you consider the behaviors of the right and their antagonistic attitude towards basic safety measures and preventative measures.

The right-wing and its denizens pushed the anti-vaccine rhetoric during the pandemic and now a complete moron is pushing it more.

When children start dying from preventable diseases, the right and the right alone, will bear the blame.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Negative. He has stated before that the reason mRNA against virus is ineffective is because the spike protein mutates extremely fast. Often much faster than the virus itself.
This is the reason why research funding for mRNA vax was cut.

You seem to forget that RFK Jr. is not in any way qualified to make such a statement.

Logically it would mean that "at the time" they worked well, but rapidly became ineffective over time.

They are working on a new mega vax not using mRNA tech btw. PLUS they are putting millions into cancer research using mRNA.

Again, Kennedy is unqualified and is simply doing what the orange child rapist tells him to do.

 

[Schweddy]

You seem to forget that RFK Jr. is not in any way qualified to make such a statement.

You forget he was blessed with the title.

Again, Kennedy is unqualified and is simply doing what the orange child rapist tells him to do.

This shows AGAIN how out of touch you really are. RFK Jr is touting a very fine line. Trump loves his vax and believes he saved the world.
If RFK Jr was to claim otherwise, he would get fired very fast.

 

[eohrnberger]

I didnt get past the lie that the actual reseaerch from health organizations in the US and around the world was the "Dems, Libs, and Prog's party line."

The Dems, Libs, and Prog's are in fact wanting to make COVID mortality appear worse than it was, based on the difference in the counting methods.

Covid deaths were not overreported. That is a lie you fell for.

I haven't fallen for anything
What I am pointing out is that there are reputable research sources, which I've cited, which are pointing out the counting method being used, and how it was different from other communicable diseases, as they cite.

My question is: "Why is that?"
Why are there some, such as yourself, which want to make the COVID mortality count appear to be more by using a counting method other than what is used with other communicable diseases. The research, which I cited, is essentially asking the same question.

In fact they were under reported, as i proved.

No, actually you haven't, and that you claim that you are is nothing more than a lame appeal to authority.
Have you no argument of your own beyond 'I like the counting method which makes it appear worse'?

 

[eohrnberger]

If a person that had months or years to live from an underlying condition such as CHF or kidney disease dies when they get Covid and experience complications from Covid that exasperate their underlying condition - what killed them?

They would have lived for months or years longer had it not been for contracting Covid.

That’s a hair you want to split?

Based on the research which I cited, which is asking the question of why people want to make COVID mortality count appear to be worse, by using a different counting method than is used with the other communicable diseases cited in the research citation provided.

Why?

That's the question which I'm asking.
Why are there some, such as yourself, which want to make the COVID mortality count appear to be more by using a counting method other than what is used with other communicable diseases. The research, which I cited, is essentially asking the same question.

 

[NolanVoyd]

The Dems, Libs, and Prog's are in fact wanting to make COVID mortality appear worse than it was, based on the difference in the counting methods.

Nope.

That is a lie you fell for.

in fact it was under reported not over reported.

its not a conspiracy.

I haven't fallen for anything

Obviously you have

 

[gboisjo]

After hearing RFK question childhood vaccines, I'm waiting for RFK to question the Polio vaccine.