RFK Jr. says the CDC buried its own internal study which found a 1135% INCREASE in Autism risk from Hepatitis B Vaccine

[Ikari]

Personally, my view is that any person who believes a word uttered by the man is the one suffering from RFKDS -- opinions may vary.

It's pretty much how TDS is actually something that afflicts Trump supporters.

 

[CLAX1911]

Personally, my view is that any person who believes a word uttered by the man is the one suffering from RFKDS -- opinions may vary.

I'm not talking about believing him I'm just talking about not writing off what he's talking about because it's him that saying it.

You definitely should be skeptical of claims like this but skepticism is doubt it's not denial.

 

[CLAX1911]

What "gap in data" exists?

It's explained in the op and there's also a video. If you don't know anything about the subject there's no point talking to you

 

[Ikari]

It's explained in the op and there's also a video. If you don't know anything about the subject there's no point talking to you

The OP is just a claim about some report, but the report isn't produced.

If you're just going to argue dishonestly for the sake of trolling, there's no point talking to you.

The DATA, however, is that with all the studies across multiple countries is that there has never been a causation relationship demonstrated between vaccines and autism. If, that is, you want to discuss the actual DATA. Something tells me you don't, and you're only here to troll.

 

[CLAX1911]

The OP is just a claim about some report, but the report isn't produced.

That's what any gap in data would be

If you're just going to argue dishonestly for the sake of trolling, there's no point talking to you.

If you're just going to claim that I'm trolling because I say something you don't like there's no point in your talking to anyone.

The DATA, however, is that with all the studies across multiple countries is that there has never been a causation relationship demonstrated between vaccines and autism.

I didn't say that there was I don't even think RFK is saying that there is.

If, that is, you want to discuss the actual DATA. Something tells me you don't, and you're only here to troll.

You consider anyone that doesn't pay your lip service to be trolling so that doesn't really matter.

Maybe just never interact with me again that might help cuz I'm not going to agree with you just because you're you.

 

[Ikari]

That's what any gap in data would be

If you're just going to claim that I'm trolling because I say something you don't like there's no point in your talking to anyone.

I didn't say that there was I don't even think RFK is saying that there is.

You consider anyone that doesn't pay your lip service to be trolling so that doesn't really matter.

Maybe just never interact with me again that might help cuz I'm not going to agree with you just because you're you.

The gap in the data isn't that someone made a claim, said there's a study, but the study isn't released. And thus we should connect dots between the "gap". Making something up isn't a gap. It's just someone lying. RFK Jr has a habit of lying and misrepresenting statistics all the time. If a study exists, they should just publish it. They don't because it doesn't exist. There's your "gap".

 

[CLAX1911]

The gap in the data isn't that someone made a claim, said there's a study, but the study isn't released.

A gap and data is a gap that is not filled with data.

You can say the word study a thousand times and pretend that makes you smart but you really don't seem to know what you're talking about.

And thus we should connect dots between the "gap". Making something up isn't a gap.

Okay make your argument for why RFK is making this up.

It's just someone lying. RFK Jr has a habit of lying and misrepresenting statistics all the time.

Everybody that ever States statistics is notorious for misrepresenting them all the time no matter what.

If a study exists, they should just publish it. They don't because it doesn't exist. There's your "gap".

Study study study oh you sound so smart.

 

[LouC]

Don't worry, that's coming in 6 months (despite the claim that this study exists now). It takes some time to cook the numbers.

TWO WEEKS!!!

Two Weeks!!!

 

[redbeer]

My son is the product of a clinical trial for an IVF medication that was not yet approved in the US - but is frequently used in the UK and EU.

And I managed a division of a staffing agency that staffed CROs and pharmaceutical companies with the research scientists, clinical research specialists, etc who conduct clinical trials.

I also redesigned and managed the entire internal talent acquisition and HR function for both a pharmaceutical company AND preclinical research company as a Management consultant.

Nothing about clinical trials scares me because I actually appreciate the process and all the safeguards included IN the process.

It’s amazing how knowledge leads to less believing in CT nonsense

That's great, glad your son is doing better and the work you've done with pharmaceutical companies and research companies gives credence to the bias you show. The way the left politicized the Covid vaccine ruined the safeguard procedures they have in place, seeing how politicians and biased followers handled the pandemic was the most horrible tragedy to come along in the US.

Not only through the government mandating a vaccine which wasn't safeguarded through testing, but the political clout of biased followers using it for social picking points. It was the most inhumane disgusting behavior I've witnessed in a modern society.

Your actions along with the myriads of other brainwashed democrats caused this distrust in medicine today by forcing a vaccine through mandates and social construct. It's not CT......it's more like screw you, tbh. Nothing personal, but damn wtf, using a vaccine and its hesitance as a hiss and a byword to belittle political opponents, then transferred to calling them Nazi's, then pretending to be "protecting democracy", lol.

You're voting in actual communists and socialists, as we speak......there's no democracy left in the democrat party, as they have all left by now.

 

[LouC]

Has the OP ever proffered any proof of dodgy RFK's "1135%" autism linked to vaccines claim?

 

[Lursa]

It's pretty much how TDS is actually something that afflicts Trump supporters.

Yup...I keep reminding them of that...they are easily confused.

 

[redbeer]

Have you read this study or investigation that he's talking about?

If not, then how do you know what he's saying is real?

For sure, the left are liars with their bizarre handling of the Covid pandemic, so I'll give him time to release this study and its findings, seeing how it was never published. This huge increase in autism didn't come along all by itself, something caused it, so I'm not so quick to dismiss what he has to say, even when every democrat says he's a liar.

 

[redbeer]

The immune system can't do all the work. It needs some back-up. That's what vaccines & antibiotics are for.

Did you even take science classes in school?

Sure, and taking too many antibiotics lessens its effectiveness.....didn't you learn that in school?

 

[BirdinHand]

The way the left politicized the Covid vaccine ruined the safeguard procedures they have in place, seeing how politicians and biased followers handled the pandemic was the most horrible tragedy to come along in the US.

Not only through the government mandating a vaccine which wasn't safeguarded through testing, but the political clout of biased followers using it for social picking points.

I strongly disagreed with Covid vaccine mandates - and my posts on this forum can verify. I don’t think the government has any business forcing people to make any medical decisions. Period. Across the board. Recommend? Educate? Assure safety? Yes. Mandate? No.

The military? Yes. It’s voluntary enlistment and when you sign up, you know that they make medical mandates as a part of the job. (Frankly, I find it amusing how many people were willing to lose their jobs over a COVID vaccine but took an anthrax vaccine no problem…but I digress)

Employers such as hospitals? Yes. You work with patients and around immune compromised individuals, etc. it’s standard practice that healthcare employers require medical treatments.

Other private employers? I’ve strongly advised companies AGAINST the policy. And, I’ve also confirmed with others that it was a good idea - it depended upon their line of business and whether they had similar requirements for prior vaccinations like flu, etc.

Schools? College campuses and living in campus and attending classes on campus? Yes. Again - they have policies frequently in regards to meningitis vaccines, flu, etc - so Covid was nothing extraordinary. Otherwise - not unless and until it was added to a childhood vaccine recommended schedule (and it never has been)

As for “ruined safeguard” etc - that’s simply untrue.

The science behind the Covid vaccines was solid. I can appreciate and respect individuals making their own decisions regarding a Covid vaccine. *IF* and here is the caveat - IF they respected other people around them. I took the J&J vaccine (luck of the draw). My mother mRNA - whatever they had at the mass vaccine clinic they held here.

So, vaccinate or don’t - I don’t care. Never did.

But stop spewing lies about safety of vaccines. Just say “I don’t understand”

 

[KingLeo]

How do you know the message is BS?

It is coming from JFKrazy.
What message has he ever given that wasn't some BS anti-vax conspiracy nonsense?

 

[CLAX1911]

It is coming from JFKrazy.

So it's just a poisoning of the well. You have no rationale for why you think this other than RFK is bad.

What message has he ever given that wasn't some BS anti-vax conspiracy nonsense?

I'm not sure I've ever heard anything anti vax from the guy but then again I don't need to desperately Poison the well.

 

[BirdinHand]

It was the most inhumane disgusting behavior I've witnessed in a modern society.

No one said global pandemics would bring out the best in people

In lots of cases it did.

In lots of other cases, it didn’t.

I was ANGRY for a lot of 2020-2021.

Kid out of school, not getting therapies he needed at the time, businesses closed down as “non-essential”, elderly mother - then dying mother, in-laws trapped in a care facility.

And guess what? I regret being as angry as I was and I regret that I was SO angry? I voted Trump in 2020.

I completely disagreed with what I saw as Democratic overreach. And I was very critical of it.

And then…the 2020 election happened. And instead of accepting the loss, Trump and his loyal followers went FULL MAGA.

See, I fundamentally respect the Constitution and once Trump refused to accept defeat and decided to upend this country?

I immediately regretted that vote…

You're voting in actual communists and socialists

No.

As someone with my Bachelor’s Degree in history and political science, I can affirmatively say that no - I’ve never once voted for an actual communist nor an actual socialist.

 

[KingLeo]

So it's just a poisoning of the well. You have no rationale for why you think this other than RFK is bad.

I'm not sure I've ever heard anything anti vax from the guy but then again I don't need to desperately Poison the well.

I am smart enough to hear a statement from a known liar and BS artist and realize that they, without anything to back up their claim, is merely flinging the BS once again.
So tell us anything that JFKrazy has said since taking office that has proven to be accurate.

 

[CLAX1911]

I am smart enough to hear a statement from a known liar and BS artist and realize that they, without anything to back up their claim, is merely flinging the BS once again.
So tell us anything that JFKrazy has said since taking office that has proven to be accurate.

Then why are you focusing on the man and not the statement?

 

[redbeer]

I strongly disagreed with Covid vaccine mandates - and my posts on this forum can verify. I don’t think the government has any business forcing people to make any medical decisions. Period. Across the board. Recommend? Educate? Assure safety? Yes. Mandate? No.

The military? Yes. It’s voluntary enlistment and when you sign up, you know that they make medical mandates as a part of the job. (Frankly, I find it amusing how many people were willing to lose their jobs over a COVID vaccine but took an anthrax vaccine no problem…but I digress)

Employers such as hospitals? Yes. You work with patients and around immune compromised individuals, etc. it’s standard practice that healthcare employers require medical treatments.

Other private employers? I’ve strongly advised companies AGAINST the policy. And, I’ve also confirmed with others that it was a good idea - it depended upon their line of business and whether they had similar requirements for prior vaccinations like flu, etc.

Schools? College campuses and living in campus and attending classes on campus? Yes. Again - they have policies frequently in regards to meningitis vaccines, flu, etc - so Covid was nothing extraordinary. Otherwise - not unless and until it was added to a childhood vaccine recommended schedule (and it never has been)

As for “ruined safeguard” etc - that’s simply untrue.

The science behind the Covid vaccines was solid. I can appreciate and respect individuals making their own decisions regarding a Covid vaccine. *IF* and here is the caveat - IF they respected other people around them. I took the J&J vaccine (luck of the draw). My mother mRNA - whatever they had at the mass vaccine clinic they held here.

So, vaccinate or don’t - I don’t care. Never did.

But stop spewing lies about safety of vaccines. Just say “I don’t understand”

I think all of this plethora of vaccines they have today is "money making" and not necessarily about safety or even effectiveness. Look at the flu shot for example. Never took one and don't plan on it, for the people I see taking it every year are sick every year and if it was so wonderful, why do we still have the flu? Then did you notice during Covid, wtf happened to the flu.....it's like it went on vacation....silence, lol. It's a joke and a huge moneymaker.

Whenever I saw Bill Gates begin getting involved in vaccines across the world, I thought, 'oh shit', it's now a profitable business venture where they tested poor nations with experimental vaccines with many dying from the trials.

Don't tell me, I don't understand......I do and frankly don't give a damn what you think about vaccines or medicine.

 

[KingLeo]

Then why are you focusing on the man and not the statement?

The 'statement' was made without any proof.
The 'statement' was made by a man who has repeatedly been found to be misinformed and nonfactual.
Both solid reasons to be skeptical of anything he says.

 

[CLAX1911]

The 'statement' was made without any proof.

You like most statements since everyone that says anything without proof just crazy?

The 'statement' was made by a man who has repeatedly been found to be misinformed and nonfactual.

Mike most statements in most humans

Both solid reasons to be skeptical of anything he says.

So explain the skepticism instead of just attacking the messenger I want to get into this skepticism I don't want to discuss how RFK makes your pee pee hurt that's boring.

 

[KingLeo]

You like most statements since everyone that says anything without proof just crazy?

Mike most statements in most humans

So explain the skepticism instead of just attacking the messenger I want to get into this skepticism I don't want to discuss how RFK makes your pee pee hurt that's boring.

JFKrazy made the statement.
Up to him to prove it true, but he can't, so why believe it with his history of making BS claims.
You want to believe wild, unproven claims from a known liar and BS artist, go ahead.

 

[BirdinHand]

I think all of this plethora of vaccines they have today is "money making" and not necessarily about safety or even effectiveness. Look at the flu shot for example. Never took one and don't plan on it, for the people I see taking it every year are sick every year and if it was so wonderful, why do we still have the flu?

Again, you could simply say “I don’t understand the science”

Instead you say: “I think” and “money making” and “not about safety”

Then go on to demonstrate that indeed, you really don’t know the science.

Then did you notice during Covid, wtf happened to the flu.....it's like it went on vacation....silence, lol. It's a joke and a huge moneymaker.

It was nice not dealing with the flu during the mask mandates and social distancing at school year.

We had it every year my kid was in school before AND since.

 

[Ikari]

For sure, the left are liars with their bizarre handling of the Covid pandemic, so I'll give him time to release this study and its findings, seeing how it was never published. This huge increase in autism didn't come along all by itself, something caused it, so I'm not so quick to dismiss what he has to say, even when every democrat says he's a liar.

Yeah, understanding, measurement, and progress caused much of the "increase". Not shoving every overactive or "different" kid into an asylum never to be heard of or spoken of again caused it.

I swear, Trump could come out tomorrow and claim the earth is flat and y'all would jump on board.