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RFK Jr., HHS to Link Autism to Tylenol Use in Pregnancy and Folate Deficiencies

Schweddy said:
Because it is not part of the national conversation right now.

Also, because no matter how you ignore it, there are studies showing there is something there with Tylenol and Austim/ADHD.

Finally, people want a simple answer for the autism issue. Practically every family in America has a kiddo with some form of it.

In economic terms they call it First Mover Advantage. Trump made it part of dinner conversations.
No matter how much the "fever thing" gets nationwide eyeballs for using Tylenol, it will be completely ignored until a new shiny solution is presented for Autism.
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Why do You People talk about autism and ADHD like they're the same thing, or even vaguely related to each other?
 
BirdinHand said:
“I support a heroin addict who swims in sewage”

Really…quite amazing levels of bullshit in this season of ‘Merica.
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As you say, this timeline is busted.

Never thought I'd see the GOP suck up to Russia and chuck basic science for hippie bullshit.
 
Josie said:
Pregnancy, as you know, can cause all sorts of aches and pains. Doctors don't (or shouldn't) tell pregnant women that they should take a drug every time they experience body pain. It should only be used in situations where it's absolutely needed, e.g. a fever.

It's not far-fetched to say that what a pregnant woman puts into her body might have a negative effect on her baby.
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Good lord. You're an obstetrician now? Why did you leave off the following? This is why no one takes your posts seriously.
Pyrite said:
The statement added: “We recommend pregnant women do not take any over-the-counter medication, including acetaminophen, without talking to their doctor first.”....
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Schweddy said:
Yep.


ADD/ADHD was part of the Harvard study and quite a few of the studies I linked to earlier. Fair to exclude.


I don't know for a fact, you are right. Very very strong hunch.

Most just want to know football scores, surf TikTok or watch the latest show and couldn't careless about fevers and pregnant women unless they are preg.

Yes, practically every family. Holding to that argument. Do you have any family members on the spectrum?


I said before, it's not black & white. It's not all or nothing.

Not all moms that had fevers during gestation had kids with birth defects.
Just as not all kids born from moms that took Tylenol are on the autism spectrum.
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LOL....you can have no idea what "most parents" want to do, much the less credibility on this topic.

If you want to prove that "practically every family" in this country has children on the autism spectrum, do it the tried-and-true way: copies and pastes of excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links. WHEN you fail to do this, you'll be tacitly admitting you simply made that statement up.

AND, of course, I have neither said nor implied that "all moms that [sic] had fevers during gestation had kids with birth defects". You really aren't good paraphrasing other posters' messages. What has been noted: UNTREATED (by Tylenol) high fevers are associated with and can induce birth defects. PLEASE pay better attention to others' posts.
 
Schweddy said:
Fair. Again, I'm sorry you do not trust men and are unable to fathom having a trusting relationship with discussions about what is going on with the woman's body/child during pregnancy.
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Some men don't trust women to let them decide for themselves regardless their body/fetus and support abortion restrictions as a result.
 
BrotherFease said:
I would be happy to elaborate. Every year, there are thousands and thousands of studies being published and dissected. The scientific community gathers all the data and forms recommendations for patients and medical facilities. The current belief on autism, based on various studies and paper analysis, points to genetics as the dominate factor. What you see from Trump and Kennedy is that they take one or two studies, manipulate its findings, and then use it for public health recommendations. The Trump Administration is using the Harvard study as their gold standard for acetaminophen for small children and pregnant women. The problem here is that their results were vastly different than the authors of the study. They did find that women who took acetaminophen for pain relief did produce more autistic children, but that the results were inconclusive and felt there were other factors in play. They still recommended acetaminophen for pain. In short, my point is that we should accept the scientific consensus. If the current standard changes, we should adjust our thinking.
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That poster is allegedly a teacher.
 
BirdinHand said:
Autism and ADHD - neurodivergence in general - are largely genetic.
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It can be genetic but it is not always. It's also caused by a genetic mutation that occurs unnaturally and is most often the case.
That does not mean (regardless how it sounds) that it always comes from the parents.

BirdinHand said:
Neurodivergence isn’t caused by Tylenol, it isn’t caused by vaccines.
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You know this definitively how?

BirdinHand said:
The vast majority of neurodivergent individuals are a part of families with a history of neurodivergence - whether or not that has been diagnosed.
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This is an assumption because some types of autism exhibit genetic modifiers.

I know this because we found out a few weeks about about my grandaughter. She has SCN8A epilepsy and same type genetic mutation testing for autism found it.

BirdinHand said:
Believe it or not, there’s nothing WRONG with being neurodivergent. In fact, some of the most incredible human minds to have existed have been neurodivergent.
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No argument. My grandkid is absolutely amazing, stunning and smart. Her challenges are cerebral palsy, epilepsy and autism.
She cannot feed herself, talk or walk. She is perfect in my eyes.

BirdinHand said:
Frankly it’s sad to watch individuals stigmatize neurodivergence the way witnessed in this thread.
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If you've ever had to raise an autistic kid, you might feel the concern about staying away from even remotely potential autism causes.
It's not normal and certainly a challenge to cope with. Persons living with autism is nothing to be ashamed of and neither are the parents of autism.

I believe you chose the wrong word here in order to make a disgusting claim. I've not seen anyone stigmatizing autism/neurodivergence at all in this thread.
Kindly click the report button and I'll ask the mod team to review as hate speech.

Also, so that I understand your argument, you are normalizing autism!?
 
Schweddy said:
It can be genetic but it is not always. It's also caused by a genetic mutation that occurs unnaturally and is most often the case.
That does not mean (regardless how it sounds) that it always comes from the parents.


You know this definitively how?


This is an assumption because some types of autism exhibit genetic modifiers.

I know this because we found out a few weeks about about my grandaughter. She has SCN8A epilepsy and same type genetic mutation testing for autism found it.


No argument. My grandkid is absolutely amazing, stunning and smart. Her challenges are cerebral palsy, epilepsy and autism.
She cannot feed herself, talk or walk. She is perfect in my eyes.


If you've ever had to raise an autistic kid, you might feel the concern about staying away from even remotely potential autism causes.
It's not normal and certainly a challenge to cope with. Persons living with autism is nothing to be ashamed of and neither are the parents of autism.

I believe you chose the wrong word here in order to make a disgusting claim. I've not seen anyone stigmatizing autism/neurodivergence at all in this thread.
Kindly click the report button and I'll ask the mod team to review as hate speech.

Also, so that I understand your argument, you are normalizing autism!?
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According to the UCLA School of Medicine, autism is most commonly genetic, with an estimated 200-1000 genes affecting susceptibility. Environmental causes, such as infections, especially maternal ones, can interact with genetic components. Even non-heteditary mutations can occur causing the development if autism. There is no evidence vaccines are a cause.
 
Schweddy said:
If you've ever had to raise an autistic kid, you might feel the concern about staying away from even remotely potential autism causes.
It's not normal and certainly a challenge to cope with.
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My child has been diagnosed with CAS (childhood apraxia of speech) and ADHD. He also has sensory issues.

He didn’t speak intelligibly until he was close to 5, and to this day - at almost age 10 - gets intensive one on one and group speech therapy several times a week because his expressive language skills are behind his peers and TALKING requires actual thought on his part and therapy helps him to learn how to work HIS body and HIS mind. He has an IEP that’s as thick as an encyclopedia and he has a one on one aide with him daily in school to help make sure that he stays not only on task, but that he maintains emotional regulation and is heard when his voice and language capabilities fail him.

“not normal” is our LIFE and I wouldn’t change a god damned thing about it. We EMBRACE it and wear it as a badge of honor and something to be PROUD of.

In fact, his personality, his heart, his mind and his abilities absolute amaze and fascinate me and I think he’s the most incredible human I’ve ever met. There is absolutely NOTHING that I would change about him. There’s nothing broken or wrong with him. And I wouldn’t tell anyone to “stay away from” anything because I don’t view my child as broken or lesser or someone needing to be fixed.

If anything, the world needs MORE people like him because he sees things in such a unique way and sees through so much and is wise and thoughtful and strong - well beyond his years.

Perhaps it’s your viewpoint that should change. Perhaps the viewpoints held and expressed by yourself and individuals such as RFK Jr and Trump and others are the problem - not autism, not neurodivergence and not the differently abled.
 
JohnfrmClevelan said:
He's not just way off. He's lying his brains out. About health statistics. And he's the head of HHS.
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Evaluation of the evidence on acetaminophen use and neurodevelopmental disorders using the Navigation Guide methodology - Environmental Health

Background Acetaminophen is the most commonly used over-the-counter pain and fever medication taken during pregnancy, with > 50% of pregnant women using acetaminophen worldwide. Numerous well-designed studies have indicated that pregnant mothers exposed to acetaminophen have children diagnosed...
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JohnfrmClevelan said:
What problem, or what solution, does this possibly suggest an answer for? RFK is not onto anything. If he was, he wouldn't need to lie.
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Schweddy said:
Facts are absolute.

Where in your article (behind paywall) does it say definitively and absolutely that fevers during pregnancy causes birth defects?
If it says that, it's not science at all but a hit piece against the administration.


I haven't found one yet that said no correlation, yes to some studies that found no significance tho.


You forgot the tried and true - "they hate you and want you dead".

Both sides use it and it's effective. No need to be specific. Just copy/paste.
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You are so damn defensive of this administration its not even funny.
 
BrotherFease said:
My belief is that Autism and Tylenol being linked is purely coincidental. Post Hoc to be exact. Unless there was a new additive to Tylenol or Paracetamol starting in the 2000s, it is going to be hard for me to believe that a pain reliever pill, pretty much everybody takes, is the root cause. But look, I pride myself in being open-minded, I am perfectly willing to hear people out.


I answered Josie's question with a more broad based answer, than simply looking at Tylenol.

This administration does no favors on this subject matter -- I agree. Making autism into a dirty word is wrong. Cherry-picking data and studies is wrong. But the bigger issue here is his viewpoint that women need to "toughen up". Even their "gold standard" study recommends Tylenol to women in pain. It is the least impact.
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They just pulled it out of their ass since the thimerosal nonsense was proven false.
 
Schweddy said:
It can be genetic but it is not always. It's also caused by a genetic mutation that occurs unnaturally and is most often the case.
That does not mean (regardless how it sounds) that it always comes from the parents.


You know this definitively how?


This is an assumption because some types of autism exhibit genetic modifiers.

I know this because we found out a few weeks about about my grandaughter. She has SCN8A epilepsy and same type genetic mutation testing for autism found it.


No argument. My grandkid is absolutely amazing, stunning and smart. Her challenges are cerebral palsy, epilepsy and autism.
She cannot feed herself, talk or walk. She is perfect in my eyes.


If you've ever had to raise an autistic kid, you might feel the concern about staying away from even remotely potential autism causes.
It's not normal and certainly a challenge to cope with. Persons living with autism is nothing to be ashamed of and neither are the parents of autism.

I believe you chose the wrong word here in order to make a disgusting claim. I've not seen anyone stigmatizing autism/neurodivergence at all in this thread.
Kindly click the report button and I'll ask the mod team to review as hate speech.

Also, so that I understand your argument, you are normalizing autism!?
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If you've ever had to raise an autistic kid, you might feel the concern about staying away from even remotely potential autism causes.

Btw, as I've already noted, I'm married to someone on the spectrum. (And, no, as in the case of Temple Grandin, Tylenol wasn't available when his mother was pregnant with him.)

Would I want my late MIL to have "stayed away from even remotely potential autism causes"? No. Then my husband wouldn't be who he is, and chances are, I wouldn't have fallen in love with him. Or he with me. And we would not have had our own children.

I am sorry that your granddaughter has cerebral palsy. That's a devastating condition. As can be epilepsy, if the seizures are unable to be controlled. (Epilepsy features in my birth family and in my husband's.) That your granddaughter is unable to feed herself, to talk, to walk, is daunting. My heart goes out to you, your granddaughter, her parents, her siblings, her other grandparents, her aunts and uncles and cousins. I hope she and her family live in an area with a robust support system.

As the longtime spouse of a person on the autism spectrum and as the grandmother of three children on the spectrum, I do not consider any of them "not normal". I understand you believe differently. I do not see a "disgusting claim" in @BirdinHand's post(s). As for your final 4 words - you are normalizing autism!? - what is wrong with that? And why are you trying to control another poster's reaction to autism?

Personally, I've always considered my neurodivergent spouse and our three neurodivergent grandchildren to be normal.
 
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