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RFK Jr., HHS to Link Autism to Tylenol Use in Pregnancy and Folate Deficiencies

Psst... I asked my wife not to take Tylenol when she was pregs with my daughter because I had heard of the studies. She is 16 now.
This isn't new.

Why chance it?
Do you think women take Tylenol for fun?

This isn’t like saying “don’t drink alcohol” - it’s telling women to suck it up when it comes to pain or fevers, etc when they’re going through incredible changes to their ENTIRE BODY.

Pregnancy hurts. Not just delivery - PREGNANCY. Your body is shifting around and stretching and repositioning not only your internal organs but your literal bone structures and ligaments and joints. Your hormones are raging and your entire body and every system in it is working extra to grow an entire HUMAN. (And you’re doing this while also functioning and working, etc)

I can’t even imagine my husband having the audacity to tell me to “suck it up” 😂😂😂. Or even fathom uttering words or thinking “why chance it” and even harboring ANY thought in the back of his mind that if our child wasn’t his idea of “perfect” it would have somehow been MY fault…


But hey, some people blame women for everything so 🤷‍♀️
 
But, it's not really when you take away the political BS.
They have been studying this issue with Tylenol for decades. There are studies that show no significance and studies that show significance.


If no evidence, then by all means take Tylenol. To ignore it completely because TRUMP is absurd. That really all this bitching is about.

Let's take the latest study, it's only a 13% chance at very best based on perfect situation after 16 weeks etc..

Psst... I asked my wife not to take Tylenol when she was pregs with my daughter because I had heard of the studies. She is 16 now.
This isn't new.

Why chance it?
Trump has no medical credentials and has shown time and time again to be incredibly ignorant. You should listen to your doctor first and foremost. Chance what? You want people with fevers to toughen it out? There are no studies showing a provable connection.
 
Dr. Benner emphasized that most of the time, the children of women who have fevers will be fine; these birth defects are rare. But research has consistently found an increased risk.
Almost excellent post, but behind paywall. This sentence is interesting however.
A preg lady should take this into account for her body and her child's development.

Which risk is higher? Fevers potential birth defects or Tylenol with potential autsim/ADHD/spectrum disorders?

If it says zero risk for Tylenol, it's a complete bullshit essay.
 
Do you think women take Tylenol for fun?
Of course not, but I do think many take meds well before they are actually needed.

Headache, try water and caffeine first.

How many times has someone in your family said...oh, I'm getting a headache and the immediate reply is..."have you taken something for it"?

This isn’t like saying “don’t drink alcohol” - it’s telling women to suck it up when it comes to pain or fevers, etc when they’re going through incredible changes to their ENTIRE BODY.
I know, I've had 3 kids.

Pregnancy hurts. Not just delivery - PREGNANCY. Your body is shifting around and stretching and repositioning not only your internal organs but your literal bone structures and ligaments and joints. Your hormones are raging and your entire body and every system in it is working extra to grow an entire HUMAN. (And you’re doing this while also functioning and working, etc)

I can’t even imagine my husband having the audacity to tell me to “suck it up” 😂😂😂. Or even fathom uttering words or thinking “why chance it” and even harboring ANY thought in the back of his mind that if our child wasn’t his idea of “perfect” it would have somehow been MY fault…
I never asked her to "suck it up". She agreed with the discussion and we were BOTH aligned that she would not take Tylenol.
Simple as that.

But hey, some people blame women for everything so 🤷‍♀️
I'm sorry that you don't trust men in general.
 
Almost excellent post, but behind paywall. This sentence is interesting however.
A preg lady should take this into account for her body and her child's development.

Which risk is higher? Fevers potential birth defects or Tylenol with potential autsim/ADHD/spectrum disorders?

If it says zero risk for Tylenol, it's a complete bullshit essay.
I copied and pasted the relevant excerpt. In case you skimmed over it, I'll recopy and repaste the relevant excerpt:

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In attacking the use of acetaminophen during pregnancy on Monday, President Trump and Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. cited unproven claims that the drug is linked to autism, while glossing over well-documented risks posed by fevers, which pregnant women often use acetaminophen to treat.

Mr. Trump said that acetaminophen, the active ingredient in Tylenol, might be justified if a pregnant woman had a severe fever. But he suggested that the bar should be extremely high, and at several other points declared, “Don’t take Tylenol,” with no qualification. “Fight like hell not to take it,” he said, warning that if someone did take it, “That, you’ll have to work out with yourself.” Repeatedly, he insisted there was “no downside” to avoiding it.

But there is a downside: the risks of the fevers that acetaminophen can treat.
It is the only drug that obstetricians commonly recommend to combat pain or fever during pregnancy, because options like ibuprofen can harm the fetus.

Decades of studies have shown a clear association between fevers early in pregnancy and a specific set of birth defects, including neural tube defects, some heart defects and cleft palates, said Dr. Eric Benner, a neonatologist at Duke University. “The evidence is really strong,” he said.

Dr. Benner emphasized that most of the time, the children of women who have fevers will be fine; these birth defects are rare. But research has consistently found an increased risk.

If pregnant women are scared away from acetaminophen, “you run the risk of seeing increased incidence of those types of birth defects potentially for nothing,”
he said.

There are also indications that fevers later in pregnancy may be linked to preterm birth. That is less strongly established than the link to birth defects, but there is an “increasing body of evidence” for it, said Dr. Scott Sullivan, the director of maternal-fetal medicine at Inova Health. That evidence fits with studies showing that heat in general, including from heat waves, may increase the risk of preterm birth, he added....

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I understand your reluctance to accept what is said in this nytimes excerpt: real-life, actual PHYSICIANS are pointing out the very real risks of not using Tylenol to reduce high fevers. To one used to accepting the opinions of Drs. trump and rfkjr, physicians with the letters, "M. D." after their names might appear to be imposters. They're not, but you likely will refuse to accept my word for it. That is your choice. As such, it's on you.

In an earlier post, I pointed out the fact that Temple Grandin was born before Tylenol was available. It looks as if you are unaware of who she is - something I find interesting, if you are going to weigh in on autism.

We have on-the-spectrum grandchildren. My husband is on the spectrum. (I might be as well.) I'll go with a possible genetic component before I'll give credence to Doctors trump and rfkjr's "notions".
 
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Almost excellent post, but behind paywall. This sentence is interesting however.
A preg lady should take this into account for her body and her child's development.

Which risk is higher? Fevers potential birth defects or Tylenol with potential autsim/ADHD/spectrum disorders?

If it says zero risk for Tylenol, it's a complete bullshit essay.
And this post demonstrates a very ablist/superiority complex and propensity to in some way blame women for disabled and/or neurodivergent children.

First, individuals with ADHD, autism, neurodiversity, birth defects, disabilities, etc aren’t lesser.

Second, except in criminally negligent situations - mothers aren’t to blame for children being born with disabilities or being neurodivergent. The vast majority of women do the best they can during pregnancy. And unless you walk in their shoes, you don’t get to judge them.
 
Of course not, but I do think many take meds well before they are actually needed.

Headache, try water and caffeine first.

How many times has someone in your family said...oh, I'm getting a headache and the immediate reply is..."have you taken something
Caffeine is bad for your system. It actually increases your blood pressure, causes head aches, dehydration, diarrhea. That is an awful remedy for headaches.
 
No.

Your wife did.

Not you.
Fair. Again, I'm sorry you do not trust men and are unable to fathom having a trusting relationship with discussions about what is going on with the woman's body/child during pregnancy.
 
Of course not, but I do think many take meds well before they are actually needed.
I think it’s disgusting to even begin to imagine one has the right to determine the threshold someone else has to reach regarding pain, etc.
Headache, try water and caffeine first.
You aren’t supposed to consume caffeine during pregnancy.
How many times has someone in your family said...oh, I'm getting a headache and the immediate reply is..."have you taken something for it"?
Not how we respond to someone having a health concern around here. When someone tells me they have a headache, I ask how bad it is, explain what it feels like to me, what else are you feeling, etc.

I know, I've had 3 kids.
Not physically possible.
I never asked her to "suck it up". She agreed with the discussion and we were BOTH aligned that she would not take Tylenol.
Simple as that.
I’m a “my body, my choice” person. I don’t tell other people what medical decisions to make or to make medical decisions on my account. To each their own.
I'm sorry that you don't trust men in general.
Trust is earned. Much like respect.
 
And this post demonstrates a very ablist/superiority complex and propensity to in some way blame women for disabled and/or neurodivergent children.

First, individuals with ADHD, autism, neurodiversity, birth defects, disabilities, etc aren’t lesser.

Second, except in criminally negligent situations - mothers aren’t to blame for children being born with disabilities or being neurodivergent. The vast majority of women do the best they can during pregnancy. And unless you walk in their shoes, you don’t get to judge them.
Excellent post. I am unclear on why people fail to accept the current scientific explanations for autism.
 
Tylenol says they don't recommend using their drug while pregnant.
I would hope a drug manufacturer wouldn’t recommend anything. Doctors should be making medical recommendations as to what drugs to take/not take, not manufacturers.
 
I’m a “my body, my choice” person. I don’t tell other people what medical decisions to make or to make medical decisions on my account. To each their own.
Finally, something we can agree on!!

I didn't tell her, I asked her then we had a conversation about it and then WE aligned. This concept appears to be hard to comprehend.
It's called partner for a reason.
 
Tylenol says they don't recommend using their drug while pregnant.
I've been waiting for a MAGA to bring this up....thanks, @Josie!


The parent company of Tylenol, the over-the-counter pain reliever, on Thursday sought to clarify a 2017 social media post in which it said that it did not recommend taking “any of our products while pregnant.”

The Trump administration had highlighted the old post on Wednesday, two days after its announcement urging pregnant women to avoid taking Tylenol, claiming without new evidence that it was a cause of autism.

The Department of Health and Human Services’s X account resurfaced the post, writing, “No caption needed.” The White House’s account also shared the 2017 post.

Tylenol’s parent company, Kenvue, said in a statement on Thursday that the eight-year-old post, made in response to a now-deleted tweet from a customer — was now being “taken out of context.”

The response was “incomplete and did not address our full guidance on the safe use of Tylenol which has not changed: Acetaminophen is the safest pain reliever option for pregnant women as needed throughout their entire pregnancy,” Kenvue said, referring to the active ingredient in Tylenol.

The statement added: “We recommend pregnant women do not take any over-the-counter medication, including acetaminophen, without talking to their doctor first.”....
 
I would hope a drug manufacturer wouldn’t recommend anything. Doctors should be making medical recommendations as to what drugs to take/not take, not manufacturers.

Pregnancy, as you know, can cause all sorts of aches and pains. Doctors don't (or shouldn't) tell pregnant women that they should take a drug every time they experience body pain. It should only be used in situations where it's absolutely needed, e.g. a fever.

It's not far-fetched to say that what a pregnant woman puts into her body might have a negative effect on her baby.
 
Pregnancy, as you know, can cause all sorts of aches and pains. Doctors doesn't (or shouldn't) tell pregnant women that they should take a drug every time they experience body pain. It should only be used in situations where it's absolutely needed, e.g. a fever.

It's not far-fetched to say that what a pregnant woman puts into her body might have a negative effect on her baby.
Doctors can and do recommend Tylenol.

Trump and rfkjr aren't physicians. They have no credibility on this matter.
 
Excellent post. I am unclear on why people fail to accept the current scientific explanations for autism.

Should we accept the current explanations for any other disease or disorder and stop all research?
 
Doctors can and do recommend Tylenol.

Trump and rfkjr aren't physicians. They have no credibility on this matter.

...In response, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists said on Monday that the suggestion that acetaminophen use in pregnancy caused autism was not backed by reliable data and “dangerously simplifies the many and complex causes of neurologic challenges in children.”

“In more than two decades of research on the use of acetaminophen in pregnancy, not a single reputable study has successfully concluded that the use of acetaminophen in any trimester of pregnancy causes neurodevelopmental disorders in children,” Steven J. Fleischman, the president of the college, said in a statement. He added, “Acetaminophen is one of the few options available to pregnant patients to treat pain and fever, which can be harmful to pregnant people when left untreated.”

Decades of studies have shown a strong association between fevers early in pregnancy and a specific set of birth defects, including neural tube defects, some heart defects and cleft palates, according to Dr. Eric Benner, a neonatologist at Duke University.
 
Pregnancy, as you know, can cause all sorts of aches and pains. Doctors don't (or shouldn't) tell pregnant women that they should take a drug every time they experience body pain. It should only be used in situations where it's absolutely needed, e.g. a fever.

It's not far-fetched to say that what a pregnant woman puts into her body might have a negative effect on her baby.
Another “women should just suck it up when it comes to pain” voice has stepped to the front.

Glad to see we have so many people that think they can tell other people what level of pain they should tolerate.

I personally couldn’t imagine being that arrogant, but to each their own.

I can’t help but wonder how many folks holding that opinion have grown and birthed humans.
 
Another “women should just suck it up when it comes to pain” voice has stepped to the front.

Glad to see we have so many people that think they can tell other people what level of pain they should tolerate.

I personally couldn’t imagine being that arrogant, but to each their own.

I can’t help but wonder how many folks holding that opinion have grown and birthed humans.

Everyone should try other things before popping pain medicine.
 
Almost excellent post, but behind paywall. This sentence is interesting however.
A preg lady should take this into account for her body and her child's development.

Which risk is higher? Fevers potential birth defects or Tylenol with potential autsim/ADHD/spectrum disorders?

If it says zero risk for Tylenol, it's a complete bullshit essay.
Fevers are.
 
Everyone should try other things before popping pain medicine.
Not before taking Tylenol for a high fever. Remember, actual medical doctors - not politicians playing physicians - have noted the potential risks actually associated with not treating high fevers during pregnancy.
 
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