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Climate scientists drive stake through heart of skeptics' argument

One of the studies, published in the journal Nature, shows that the Little Ice Age and other natural fluctuations affected only limited regions of the planet at a time, making modern warming the first and only planetwide warm period in the past two millennia. The other study, published in Nature Geoscience, shows that the rate of modern warming has far outpaced changes that occurred before the rise of the industrial era.
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So, it's not water vapor or cosmic rays or solar forcing or the earth moving closer to the sun or any of that other bull**** you hear over and over again. It's anthropomorphic global warming, plain and simple.
 
Soon this thread will be flooded with scientifically illiterate nutters cherry-picking blogs and out of context papers that show it's all really a secret liberal conspiracy.

The facts of the matter are simple. Changing the content of the atmosphere as humans have done has consequences and we should be aware of what those are and the complex effects it will have on us, our climate and our ecosystems. If you think this isn't the case, publish your papers, have them peer reviewed, then collect your Nobel prize along with the unbelievable fame and fortune. So what's stopping you? Don't you want to stick it to those liberal scientists once and for all, the science way?
 
If true, exactly what would you suggest doing to change it?
 
calamity said:
Climate scientists drive stake through heart of skeptics' argument



So, it's not water vapor or cosmic rays or solar forcing or the earth moving closer to the sun or any of that other bull**** you hear over and over again. It's anthropomorphic global warming, plain and simple.
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Yep, increasing the planet's population from under 2B to well over 7B quite rapidly has impacted the planet's climate. As those additional humans use more energy and produce more trash/waste it has had a noticible environmental (and climate) impact.

Due to its dramatic impact on the human ability to grow food, the Haber process served as the "detonator of the population explosion", enabling the global population to increase from 1.6 billion in 1900 to 7.7 billion by November 2018.
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Population growth - Wikipedia
 
Sabre said:
If true, exactly what would you suggest doing to change it?
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It can't be stopped. However, the current goal is to limit warming to 1.5 deg C. This would require a large reduction in CO2 emissions by 2020, and probably isn't going to be met. We should, however, strive towards that goal.

As individuals, we should reduce our footprint, by installing renewables, and if one drives car, the system should be large enough to power an electric vehicle. Pursue all the latest home advances in efficiency - super-insulated and airtight with a heat recovery ventilator, etc.
 
Sabre said:
If true, exactly what would you suggest doing to change it?
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By doing nothing we are unleashing pandora's box. Ancient diseases are buried in the permafrost. As the ice melts we could see a massive breakout in the Spanish flu virus smallpox the bubonic plague, and Anthrax.

A town's population can be wiped out causing to bedlam.
 
Bucky said:
By doing nothing we are unleashing pandora's box. Ancient diseases are buried in the permafrost. As the ice melts we could see a massive breakout in the Spanish flu virus smallpox the bubonic plague, and Anthrax.

A town's population can be wiped out causing to bedlam.
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Did not answer the question: exactly what would you suggest doing to change it?
 
Sabre said:
Did not answer the question: exactly what would you suggest doing to change it?
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I did give my suggestions, however, you didn't respond. I should point out that I invested in a residential wind turbine and a PV system in 2011. The systems have now totally paid for themselves, and now I am enjoying FREE power.
 
Media_Truth said:
I did give my suggestions, however, you didn't respond. I should point out that I invested in a residential wind turbine and a PV system in 2011. The systems have now totally paid for themselves, and now I am enjoying FREE power.
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Yes, I took note. Not looking to argue the point but, even if everyone in the US did as you did, the effect would be only for the person. Not everyone in the US can afford to make such a change and not everyone can utilize wind and solar effectively. Now that is just the US, the I country that I believe is doing the most to limit environmental pollutions. Nations such as China and India are huge polluters and show no sign of decreasing. Any true attempt at reducing climate warming by humans has to be done on a global scale.

I would love to erect a personal windmill, one person in our neighborhood did so and everyone wanted to copy him. We live on the coast and have an ocean breeze everyday. The city took note and went door to door trying to get people to say it made too much noise. Everyone told them there was no noise and they wanted one, me included. The city counsel quickly got together and banned windmills on private property in our city.
 
calamity said:
Climate scientists drive stake through heart of skeptics' argument



So, it's not water vapor or cosmic rays or solar forcing or the earth moving closer to the sun or any of that other bull**** you hear over and over again. It's anthropomorphic global warming, plain and simple.
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So its based on retrospective climate modelled simulations then that an extra 0.01% of a benign beneficial and naturally occurring gas in our atmospheric envelope must 'obviously' be the cause of todays alleged supernatural 'horrors' ?

Nuff said :roll:
 
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Sabre said:
Yes, I took note. Not looking to argue the point but, even if everyone in the US did as you did, the effect would be only for the person. Not everyone in the US can afford to make such a change and not everyone can utilize wind and solar effectively. Now that is just the US, the I country that I believe is doing the most to limit environmental pollutions. Nations such as China and India are huge polluters and show no sign of decreasing. Any true attempt at reducing climate warming by humans has to be done on a global scale.

I would love to erect a personal windmill, one person in our neighborhood did so and everyone wanted to copy him. We live on the coast and have an ocean breeze everyday. The city took note and went door to door trying to get people to say it made too much noise. Everyone told them there was no noise and they wanted one, me included. The city counsel quickly got together and banned windmills on private property in our city.
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So vote out your city council. There is always something that can be done.
 
flogger said:
So its based on retrospective climate modelled simulations then that an extra 0.01% of a benign beneficial and naturally occurring gas in our atmospheric envelope must 'obviously' be the cause of todays 'horrors' ?

Nuff said :roll:
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Does putting 2 blankets on keep you warmer than one?
 
Media_Truth said:
It can't be stopped. However, the current goal is to limit warming to 1.5 deg C. This would require a large reduction in CO2 emissions by 2020, and probably isn't going to be met. We should, however, strive towards that goal.

As individuals, we should reduce our footprint, by installing renewables, and if one drives car, the system should be large enough to power an electric vehicle. Pursue all the latest home advances in efficiency - super-insulated and airtight with a heat recovery ventilator, etc.
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So what proof do you have that any of that costly 'striving' would make the slightest difference ?
 
flogger said:
So its based on retrospective climate modelled simulations then that an extra 0.01% of a benign beneficial and naturally occurring gas in our atmospheric envelope must 'obviously' be the cause of todays alleged supernatural 'horrors' ?

Nuff said :roll:
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Yeah, 'nuff said. The post shows incredible levels of ceaselessness.
 
flogger said:
If 0.01% of extra CO2 represented any kind of a 'blanket' you might have a point
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Facts are pesky things which confound cultists. But, that does not mean one should not try to learn from them.


Humans didn’t exist the last time there was this much CO2 in the air

On Wednesday, scientists at the University of California in San Diego confirmed that April’s monthly average atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration breached 410 parts per million for the first time in our history.

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In little more than a century of frenzied fossil-fuel burning, we humans have altered our planet’s atmosphere at a rate dozens of times faster than natural climate change. Carbon dioxide is now more than 100 ppm higher than any direct measurements from Antarctic ice cores over the past 800,000 years, and probably significantly higher than anything the planet has experienced for at least 15 million years. That includes eras when Earth was largely ice-free.
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Taylor said:
Because as we all know, correlation means causation.
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I have no idea what you know. But, I assure you, it is far less than what I know. :roll:
 
flogger said:
If 0.01% of extra CO2 represented any kind of a 'blanket' you might have a point
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You obviously don't understand how close the tipping point between absorption and radiation is. All warming requires is more heat to be absorbed than radiated. It's pretty obvious that that point has already been reached and it is compounding. The oceans have already absorbed trillions of calories of excess heat.

A new report reveals that scientists have seriously underestimated exactly how much heat the world's oceans are absorbing due to global warming.

According to the latest estimates, the bodies of water around the world has soaked up 60 percent more excess heat than originally thought. The report also suggests that more heat is being generated by greenhouse gases, making it more difficult to control the changing climate in the next couple of decades.

Hothouse Earth
The last assessment from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change revealed that oceans around the world are absorbing about 90 percent of excess heat from the planet. This has caused the upper ocean that is up to 700 meters deep to warm, shrinking ice sheets from Greenland and Antarctica.

However, it was more than that. The new study, which looked at the past 25 years, calculated the greenhouse gases emitted due to human activities. Researchers found that the oceans have soaked about 150 times the amount of energy needed to generate electricity around the world.
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Oceans Are Absorbing Much More Heat Than Expected, Says Study | Tech Times
 
flogger said:
So its based on retrospective climate modelled simulations then that an extra 0.01% of a benign beneficial and naturally occurring gas in our atmospheric envelope must 'obviously' be the cause of todays alleged supernatural 'horrors' ?

Nuff said :roll:
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Yup, just playing with numbers as usual. Nothing scientific about this study at all.
 
iguanaman said:
So vote out your city council. There is always something that can be done.
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Actually did that one year, the entire council, turns out the next ones we elected to office were worse than the ones we got rid of.
 
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