Republicans worry Trump will follow through with his policies

[ttwtt78640]

What does that have to do with the topic?

How do you suppose those many billions in new federal spending were ‘funded’?

Isn't government investment different from government spending in that the return from it will help mitigate the expense?

What the OP referenced was more spending and less taxation. The theory (myth?) that we can grow ourselves out of debt hasn’t proven to be the case.

 

[anatta]

The donor class disagrees with you, which is why that hasn’t been done. Congress critters currently enjoy re-election rates of over 90% by continuously spending more than they dare ask for in taxation.

which is what this is.. no current way we can compete on EV battery production

The West must change its EV strategy to compete with China

If the United States and Europe wish to reclaim their legacy as drivers of technological innovation in the automotive sector, its governments must shift from self-sabotaging tariffs and prioritize subsidizing existing and budding manufacturers while rapidly expanding supporting infrastructure...

www.michigandaily.com

The West’s current strategy of starting a tariff arms race with China has limited its ability to leverage these assets toward EVs, widening the cost gap and making Chinese EVs even more competitive, which, in turn harms domestic manufacturing and weakens the demand for Western EVs. If the United States and Europe wish to accelerate their automakers’ efforts and be on par with China, it must begin by narrowing the cost gap. Only by exchanging futile tariffs with competitive subsidies, making great strides in battery manufacturing and enhancing supporting infrastructure does the West stand a chance in making electrification attractive to the median car buyer


While the tariff-focused strategy makes sense in theory, this limited strategy has, in reality, only worsened the cost gap between Western and Chinese EVs. High cost is the greatest barrier to EV ownership according to two-thirds of Americans. Although prices of EVs in the U.S. have fallen substantially over the past several months, the price of a Western EV is still far higher than a Chinese EV, even considering the hefty tariffs the U.S. has implemented. Greater costs in the West further harm efforts towards electrification, which are necessary to move towards a carbon-neutral future.

 

[redbeer]

No, MAGA's biases towards Americans and others is quite obvious.

2016: 61,201,031.....votes for Trump

2020: 74,223,251....votes for Trump

2024: 77,234,090....votes for Trump


There sure is a lot of Americans you don't like. That's not good for you.

 

[j brown's body]

How do you suppose those many billions in new federal spending were ‘funded’?



What the OP referenced was more spending and less taxation. The theory (myth?) that we can grow ourselves out of debt hasn’t proven to be the case.

Please link it to the topic.

So Republicans voted for Trump with his promise to get us out of debt but now oppose his policies to do it because they see it hurts their communities.

They seem to want it both ways.

 

[Ikari]

2016: 61,201,031.....votes for Trump

2020: 74,223,251....votes for Trump

2024: 77,234,090....votes for Trump


There sure is a lot of Americans you don't like. That's not good for you.

Well MAGA doesn't like the other half, so it's not so different.

 

[redbeer]

Well MAGA doesn't like the other half, so it's not so different.

Nah, big difference. We're not calling you Nazi's.

 

[j brown's body]

Nah, big difference. We're not calling you Nazi's.

For good reason.

 

[Ikari]

Nah, big difference. We're not calling you Nazi's.

Yeah, you've been calling the left a lot of different names.

 

[j brown's body]

2016: 61,201,031.....votes for Trump

2020: 74,223,251....votes for Trump

2024: 77,234,090....votes for Trump


There sure is a lot of Americans you don't like. That's not good for you.

This is a thread about his own voters objecting to his policies.

 

[redbeer]

Yeah, you've been calling the left a lot of different names.

It's become habitual with the left.....the dehumanization of political opposition is not characteristic of democracy, fyi.

 

[j brown's body]

It's become habitual with the left.....the dehumanization of political opposition is not characteristic of democracy, fyi.

Why not do a thread on it?

 

[redbeer]

This is a thread about his own voters objecting to his policies.

Despite the left's antics and election interference the popularity of Trump is continuing to grow. Those numbers don't lie.

 

[Ikari]

It's become habitual with the left.....the dehumanization of political opposition is not characteristic of democracy, fyi.

MAGA has been doing that from the start.

 

[redbeer]

MAGA has been doing that from the start.

Since the inception of Trump in politics, the left has the lead by a country mile on hatred and anti-democracy, as it's not even close.

 

[Ikari]

Since the inception of Trump in politics, the left has the lead by a country mile on hatred and anti-democracy, as it's not even close.

Uh huh.

Which side tried to run a campaign bus off the road again?

lol

 

[Stealers Wheel]

How do you suppose those many billions in new federal spending were ‘funded’?



What the OP referenced was more spending and less taxation. The theory (myth?) that we can grow ourselves out of debt hasn’t proven to be the case.

Actually, that is what happened under Clinton in the 90s. Job growth in the 90s created millions more taxpayers and Clinton submitted the first balanced budget in many decades. Then, GW Bush pissed it all away with massive tax cuts to the wealthy and starting two extended wars with no increases in taxation to pay for them.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Please link it to the topic.

So Republicans voted for Trump with his promise to get us out of debt but now oppose his policies to do it because they see it hurts their communities.

They seem to want it both ways.

Yep, folks like pork (targeted local federal spending), but they also don’t like the ever increasing cost of paying interest on the huge and growing national debt.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Actually, that is what happened under Clinton in the 90s. Job growth in the 90s created millions more taxpayers and Clinton submitted the first balanced budget in many decades. Then, GW Bush pissed it all away with massive tax cuts to the wealthy and starting two extended wars with no increases in taxation to pay for them.

US GDP has grown significantly since the 1990s, yet so has the national debt. BTW, the national debt increased every year under Clinton in the 1990s.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

US GDP has grown significantly since the 1990s, yet so has the national debt. BTW, the national debt increased every year under Clinton in the 1990s.

I love how Social Security gets added to, or left out of, the debate on debt depending on what point the speaker wants to make.

On a side note:

In early 2000, the clock started to run backward because the national debt was actually decreasing.[6][10] It showed a national debt of $5.7 trillion and an individual family share of almost $74,000. With the original purpose of the clock being to highlight the rising debt, the reversal of the figures gave a mixed message, added to the fact that the display not being designed to properly run backward.[1] In May 2000, it was reported that the clock was planned to be unplugged on September 7, 2000, what would have been Seymour Durst's 87th birthday. Douglas said that the decision to unplug the clock was made because "it was put up to focus attention on the increasing national debt, and it's served its purpose."[12] In September, the clock was unplugged and covered with a red-white-and-blue curtain, with the national debt standing at roughly $5.7 trillion.[1] However, less than two years later in July 2002, the curtain was raised and the clock once again picked up tracking a rising debt,[13] starting at $6.1 trillion.[14]

Wiki

 

[j brown's body]

Yep, folks like pork (targeted local federal spending), but they also don’t like the ever increasing cost of paying interest on the huge and growing national debt.

People like jobs and communities like businesses. It tends to improve the quality of their lives.

 

[ttwtt78640]

People like jobs and communities like businesses. It tends to improve the quality of their lives.

Fine, but why not pay for (subsidize?) them using state/local funds? The answer is that state/local governments can’t easily borrow (or print?) the funds like the federal government can - they would have to *gasp* raise their taxes.

 

[Brack]

No, MAGA's biases towards Americans and others is quite obvious.

2016: 61,201,031.....votes for Trump

2020: 74,223,251....votes for Trump

2024: 77,234,090....votes for Trump


There sure is a lot of Americans you don't like. That's not good for you.

Not all those who voted for Trump are MAGA Republicans.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Not all those who voted for Trump are MAGA Republicans.

True, and not all who voted for Harris are far-left demorats.

 

[Ikari]

Yep, folks like pork (targeted local federal spending), but they also don’t like the ever increasing cost of paying interest on the huge and growing national debt.

Well folk may have messed up then, Trump out spent Biden by about twice as much the first time. Once his trade wars torpedo the economy, he might be spending at a much faster rate.

 

[redbeer]

Not all those who voted for Trump are MAGA Republicans.

Oh, so you have a top secret code ring which allows you to know who is who, huh?