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The source, who asked to remain anonymous, said that some 300 designers, engineers and consultants working on the project in Milwaukee were told to pack up their things and go home, that work on the project was done, and the building is now empty. Busalacchi's statement comes two days after Republican Scott Walker was elected governor to replace Doyle, a Democrat. Walker has vowed to follow through on his campaign promise to kill the $810 million project, which will be funded by federal stimulus dollars. He called the development a victory for his campaign and a step in the right direction.
Doyle Suspends High-Speed Train Project - Madison News Story - WISC Madison
In other words, a Republican Governor-Elect is gloating over already costing his future constituents jobs before even assuming office. If this is what we can expect nationwide when Republicans take control of the House of Representatives, the economy is in for a major tumble.
was this a necessary project that the taxpayers can afford?
To say nothing that this is chickenfeed next to, say, the thousands who will be out of work now that Obama killed the manned space program and the last shuttle goes up in a few months.
If an economic project necessitates subsidization, it has already proven itself unproductive, else it would have been demanded by the people.
President Obama saved the manned space program by moving NASA toward a commercial contracting model. There will be immediate job losses, but many of those people will find work in the emerging private space sector, and long-term growth is literally unlimited. I am a space activist (feel free to have whatever fun you want with that fact), so I know what I'm talking about.
It's an economic stimulus project - it adds to the economy, not detracts from it.
President Obama saved the manned space program by moving NASA toward a commercial contracting model. There will be immediate job losses, but many of those people will find work in the emerging private space sector, and long-term growth is literally unlimited. I am a space activist (feel free to have whatever fun you want with that fact), so I know what I'm talking about.
Not so. Every major transportation infrastructure project in history says otherwise.
:rofl Oh, my God. Deny, deny, deny. Liberals can DO NO WRONG.
Even if it's exactly the same thing you're currently blasting a Republican for, only much bigger.
Unfortunately for your claim, the President's NASA policy is favored more by libertarians than liberals. I often argue with my fellow liberals on the subject, and find a lot more support among libertarians. If your position is simply "It's Obama's policy, ergo it's wrong," then no evidence I give you will change your mind.
It bears no resemblance to what Republicans are doing with respect to rail projects. The administration's plan for NASA is that it use its manned space budget to pay commercial contractors for services it would otherwise be developing in-house at higher cost and lower flight rate. The Republican plan for rail infrastructure projects is simply to see them die.
stimulus project
that says it all
I am sure that $810 million could better be used repairing existing infrastructure instead of creating more that needs to be maintained with taxpayer dollars
and at 2.7 million per job (300) its a waste to start with.
I don't give a crap who favors it.
Fact is, it's a public program being ended which will cost thousands of jobs in so doing
which is the same thing happening with this rail project.
Yet, you find no wrong in it, because it's not a Republican who ended it.
(Not that you actually care a whit about these 300 workers in WI.)
That is not correct. The plan is to use the vast majority of the budget to step up "climate research."
Doyle Suspends High-Speed Train Project - Madison News Story - WISC Madison
In other words, a Republican Governor-Elect is gloating over already costing his future constituents jobs before even assuming office. If this is what we can expect nationwide when Republicans take control of the House of Representatives, the economy is in for a major tumble.
Then why did you try to use the issue as a smear against liberals, most of whom are skeptical of the President's plan?
In order to enable the birth of an industry with unlimited growth potential, and allow NASA to finally begin focusing on its true mission - facilitating general human expansion into space.
No, it is not. The rail project is simply being killed because Republicans ideologically oppose economic stimulus, and need the poor economy to continue into 2012 as an election issue.
I don't "find no wrong in it," I just agree with it - and I agree with it because it's the right thing to do for humanity's future in space.
I do, and I would advise you that telepathy is not an argument.
The administration had originally intended to spend much more on commercial manned space, but the level of Congressional opposition forced it to scale back somewhat. And frankly, climate research makes a lot more sense for NASA than giving Marshall Spaceflight Center a bottomless budget to deliver wildly expensive, dangerous, low-flight-rate systems far above budget and past deadline.
Not so. Every major transportation infrastructure project in history says otherwise.
The real costs of elections are associated to all the promises. In this case, tack on a few hundred million more for the cost of the review.
Indeed it does.
Why not tear down what we already have so the taxpayers don't have to maintain any of it? The answer is that the economy grows around new infrastructure, and it would be harmful to remove it - just as it's beneficial to build new.
It's not 2.7 million per job - the 300 lost are just the amount lost right now.
In other words, he's keeping a campaign promise? How unDemocratic of him.
I didn't. :shrug:
Which could have been done without killing Constellation and costing thousands of jobs.
So you say. I'm sure they say the money is better spent elsewhere and will create more jobs in the future.
Just as they agree with killing what they view as a pork project.
There's no telepathy involved. These people are a mere bludgeon for you to beat Republicans with. Nothing else matters.
Doesn't matter. Thousands of jobs lost by killing a public program. Thousands.
You are operating under the assumption that the demand for travel would not have produced a more economically and socially beneficial system of transportation.
We will never know, as the government stole from the productive sector in order finance projects it's actors deemed more worthy than the citizens from whom the money was taken.
Is it your opinion that maintaing old infrastructure is detrimental to economic growth?
So how many jobs is the 810 million stimulus touching? Do we have a number that makes the project economically feasible or is it just hope and change we are funding?
.An assumption sustained by (once again) every single major transportation project ever undertaken in history, not to mention common sense
Taxation in an elective, constitutional republic is not theft; both the public and private sectors are "productive"; and you are perfectly welcome to avoid publicly-subsidized infrastructure if you wish - you can start by getting off the Internet, and not driving on Interstate highways. Demand a rigorously private Internet and freeway system, and wait for the Invisible Hand to make them fall out of the sky.
...the thousands who will be out of work now that Obama killed the manned space program and the last shuttle goes up in a few months. My guess is, according to you, that's not the same thing at all. Right?
“The launch vehicles for Commercial Crew already exist and are flying today, and the capsules and spacecraft that will fly atop these launch vehicles are making significant hardware progress – rocket engines are being fired, landing systems are being tested, heat shields are being built, designs are being refined,” said Bretton Alexander, President of the Commercial Spaceflight Federation. “The commercial spaceflight industry is poised to meet NASA’s mission requirements for crew transportation, creating thousands of jobs along the way.”
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