Republicans are dead to us

[smb]

I visited family in LA a couple years ago, they were hurrying to get their taxes done right away so that they had at least some chance of getting their money back at some point in the foreseeable future. I don't know how the state has been doing since then but I know that if I lived there at that time and had an opportunity to leave I would have jumped at it.

I don't know what the issue is, I don't think it's a liberal/conservative thing. I've just always chalked it up to California being special.

Special because we need a super majority in CA to pass a budget. The budget was constantly being held hostage by the Republican minority in order to promote revenue neutral or negative revenue policies. That is no longer the case as of 11/6 as the Democratic Party now has super majorities in both houses.

 

[Master PO]

Greece's problem is the same as every other indebted nation's problem - the rich took their money and hid it in offshore tax shelters, to the tune of $21 TRILLION.

As for Texas not being close to Greece? Really?

California also settled the Enron lawsuit for pennies on the dollar - thanks to a Republican governor. We still haven't recovered from that - ESPECIALLY since we were also heavily exposed to the real estate market. Had we not passed Prop 13 - and this is a nod to you antitax folks out there - we would have been even more heavily dependent on property taxes. What a disaster that would have been.

As for asking for a bailout, taxpayers happily bailed out the banks and there was no Tea Party protest when Bush made it happen. What's up with that?

Greece has problem is they have no real revenue collect base, and they are socialist and have been for a very long time and people are allowed to retire early in life and still collect a payment from government.

as the the Texas question, i was answering a Texas California question, of who is closer to Greece, its CA.

California is a tax and spend state, they have never proposed a tax they did not like, well, i don't have a problem with a state on how they wish to run it, as long as they do not seek to ask government for any bailout.

government bailout banks, because of their influence in Washington, which is wrong, government bailout out GM, to save the unions.

bailouts are not constitutional, no where in the constitution can the government be venture capitalist.

beside CA, NY, and ILL, are in financial trouble, if government opens the door to bailout a STATE, then other states will demand a bailout also.

our government is broke ,it has no money, it borrows 43 cents out of every dollar and spends 10 billion dollars a day.

tax and spending will not work, ...government must be reduced in size and scope to survive , if it does not it will fall, or it will on its own be forced to stop its welfare and war state.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

"Lean ... honest.

Gl w/ your cartoonish view of things. I hope it helps you somehow.

 

[CalGun]

I wonder why the infastructure costs are so high? I recall a few decades ago a person working for Cal Trans bragging about how they spent $2,000,000,000 a year not building anything - that was just the paper work. The leftists have made CA's infastructure so incredibily expensive - not the tax payer.

Its ok, the new taxes just imposed by the leftists and the million dollar campaigns to the sheep masses will send some millionaires packing to income tax free states. I'll enjoy watching the hew and cry when the numbers aren't adding up in a few years to meeting their phat pensions and pay increase demands of the teachers, guards and nurses that demand them.

Good grief! Do you really beleive that the OP was saying that all Republicans are dead or should be? If you do then please take some reading comprehension classes. It was clear that the OP was stating that if you thought the Republican Party had a bad election nation-wide then look at the West Coast and see what really bad results look like. For all intents and purposes the Republican Party does not exist on the state wide level in California. They have lost on almost every level concievable. The Democratic Party now holds a super-majority in both houses of the state assembly, the governorship and every constitutionally elected state office.

That being said I did not make any claim about the tax rate of CA nor how well CA collects its taxes. I have no idea why would suggest that as point to rebut against. What I did state is that CA has revenue problem. We have per capita the 10th highest revenue. While that may seem like a lot because the infrastructure issues in CA as previously stated that is clearly well below what is needed. The CA revenue is well below what is needed largely due to Republican policies of the past. Policies that will no longer be an issue going forward. So when you want to blame CA's economic woes on the liberal Democrats you need to look into the actual facts. They state a different picture.

 

[American]

The West Coast is also officially death valley for any modicum of fiscal responsibility. Makes sense.

Democrat supermajorities in California will soon vote to speed up the train to hell. They are getting ready to floor the "gas pedal", and they'll find out what total collapse feels like when many companies leave the state. The agriculture firms can't leave, so they may eventually go bankrupt.

They have 10+% unemployment and they want to raise taxes.

 

[smb]

I wonder why the infastructure costs are so high? I recall a few decades ago a person working for Cal Trans bragging about how they spent $2,000,000,000 a year not building anything - that was just the paper work. The leftists have made CA's infastructure so incredibily expensive - not the tax payer.

Its ok, the new taxes just imposed by the leftists and the million dollar campaigns to the sheep masses will send some millionaires packing to income tax free states. I'll enjoy watching the hew and cry when the numbers aren't adding up in a few years to meeting their phat pensions and pay increase demands of the teachers, guards and nurses that demand them.

Yeah keep believing it is all because of paperwork and mismanagement...that is fantasyland crap. There are clear reasons why the infrastructure costs are so high. CA has three major urban areas in the state. Most states only have one. CA has a very arid climate in most places requiring extensive irrigation. The vast majority of CA industry is either agricultural which needs to travel long distances and high tech which require higher education. CA has an extensive coast line with three major shipping ports which require large outlays in infrastructure. Bottom line is there are a multitude of reasons why CA requires more extensive infrastructure and that infastructure costs more than other states. Because of that CA needs to have high per capita revenue stream if not the highest in the nation and we don't. We don't because of the conservative incistance on revenue neutral or revenue negative policies.

FYI I find it rather hilarious that in a previous post you bade me to be careful and pay attention to the will of the people. The same people you call sheep in this post. At least try to maintain some consistancy in the same thread at least.

 

[smb]

Democrat supermajorities in California will soon vote to speed up the train to hell. They are getting ready to floor the "gas pedal", and they'll find out what total collapse feels like when many companies leave the state. The agriculture firms can't leave, so they may eventually go bankrupt.

They have 10+% unemployment and they want to raise taxes.

Translation: The sky is falling...the sky is falling.

Your optimism is overwhelming.

 

[Carjosse]

california taxes in themselves arent bad,but regs are outrageous,plus each city and county overlaps on the same taxes and regs and fees.their tax doesnt seem bad,but when you add up each county and cities sales income and corporate tax,plus land tax and property tax,cali in many parts by far is grossly overtaxed.

In Quebec the over regulation comes from language laws saying everything must be in French. It seems to me what California needs is just organization and streamlining of tax policy.

 

[clownboy]

Special because we need a super majority in CA to pass a budget. The budget was constantly being held hostage by the Republican minority in order to promote revenue neutral or negative revenue policies. That is no longer the case as of 11/6 as the Democratic Party now has super majorities in both houses.

They still need that supermajority and then some. You don't seem to get that many of those budget items require state constitutional amendments to change - thanks to the dems. That's what makes it so hard in lean times to cut budget in the state. Both republican and democrat governors face this. That's why the children's programs get cut so often, they are of the few that aren't protected by constitution, so they remain the only place where cuts can be made.

The dems will continue the same failed policy they've been running on thus far - pass the problem on down to the county governments. Let them eat cake!

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Here is a good example of how socialism works or should I say doesn't work. Socialism = corruption.

It started in May 2011 when Governor Jerry Brown announced that “turbulent times” required the “unthinkable” -- the shuttering of 70 parks to deal with the state’s enduring fiscal problems. Brown’s critics sensed that he found the proposed cuts to be quite “thinkable” -- at least as a ploy to encourage Californians to loosen the grip on their wallets.

"Brown has staked his governorship on the idea that Californians need to pay higher taxes to help plug a budget gap estimated at almost $16 billion -- specifically a proposition on the state ballot in November that would boost the sales tax by a quarter cent for four years and impose supposedly temporary income-tax increases on residents who earn more than $250,000 a year."

"Brown and his fellow Democrats didn’t count on two things. First, nonprofit groups and local governments came up with the money to keep most of the targeted parks up and running, thus illustrating the effectiveness of nongovernment or local solutions in the face of state-government failure. "

Employee Payouts

"Second, it turned out that the state parks department, rather than being strapped, was so awash in cash that it handed out huge payouts to employees and hid millions of dollars in special accounts. (Some private groups backed away from their promises to finance individual parks when they learned about the hidden funds."


Scandals Show California Is Broken, Not Broke - Bloomberg

 

[FluffyNinja]

My my, how quick everyone is to disown these guys now that they've lost. Failure is still an orphan.

You might have wiggle room to say Rmoney is not a conservative... not much, but you could get drunk enough to make-believe that theory into existence. Cain, however, you have to be completely insane to say he's not Conservative. He was a minimal-government purist, about as far to the left of Ron Paul as the breadth of a hair. He's an ARCH Conservative.

Cain is a staunch supporter of the Federal Banking system and holds a moderate stance both on gun control as well as on illegal immigration. He is also a strong supporter of the TARP program which flies in the face of fiscal conservatism. You could make the argument that he is conservative on some social issues......but overall, you'd be hard-pressed to go to court and convince a jury that Cain is a traditional conservative based on a preponderance of the evidence. Romney is a no-brainer.....all we have to do is look at his record as governor of Mass. I don't know who you're trying to fool here. :shrug:

 

[American]

Translation: The sky is falling...the sky is falling.

Your optimism is overwhelming.

I suppose you think that if you yell "the sky is falling" and "conspiracy theory" loud enough, you can make anything look crazy. In your comfy little world, I'm sure you can afford to laugh at other people's problems. But in California, people are very unemployed.

 

[iguanaman]

Unfortunately for you and others that make this ridiculous claim you would be wrong. Most of the problems with the CA budget have to do with a combination of Prop 13 and the fact that a super majority is needed to pass a budget. This has meant that, until after this election, the budget has been held hostage by the Republican Party in order to get what they want...lowered or no revenue neutral policies. Combine that with Prop 13 and growing population base and end up where we are at. Oh yes I forgot about the policies of the Republican governor a few years ago that decided the best course of action is to keep kicking the fiscal disaster down the road instead of dealing with it which is what Brown is doing now. But by all means keep believing that it is all Democratic policies that have done this. I wouldn't want to destroy your whole world view!!!????

Isn't that just like the situation in Washington? Republicans pass tax cut after tax cut without the revenue reductions to pay for it. Then they get voted out and leave the mess they created for the Dems to fix whle they keep blaming the Dems for the whole thing. It's become so predictable it's pathertic.

 

[Zalatix]

Why conservatism is dead to me: they routinely pass around nonsense like this, likening human beings to animals...

 

[Zalatix]

Translation: The sky is falling...the sky is falling.

Your optimism is overwhelming.

The sky is falling - the problem is it's falling on more than just the blue states.

The Red States use more welfare dollars than they contribute. Ever notice how everyone STFU's when you bring that subject up? They STFU because it means that if us blue states fail, the red states fail, too.

Let the haters move to Texas. Rick Perry nuked firefighter funding; good luck the next time they have a big drought and a heavy fire season.

 

[UtahBill]

How can you tell when a republican is dead?
when someone uses his name to vote for a democrat....:2razz:

 

[smb]

They still need that supermajority and then some. You don't seem to get that many of those budget items require state constitutional amendments to change - thanks to the dems. That's what makes it so hard in lean times to cut budget in the state. Both republican and democrat governors face this. That's why the children's programs get cut so often, they are of the few that aren't protected by constitution, so they remain the only place where cuts can be made.

The dems will continue the same failed policy they've been running on thus far - pass the problem on down to the county governments. Let them eat cake!

Of course I understand that the budget contains certain constitutionally mandated minimums that make it more difficult to balance. But it doesn't make impossible. What you don't seem to understand is that is not the liberals in general or Democrats in particular that set up these budget constraints. Most of these constraints were put in place by ballot initiative. Some conservative, some liberal all more or less well meaning but taken as whole cause a lot of issues. To suggest that all of these ballot initiatives are somehow the fault of the Democratic Party is not only factually incorrect but ridiculous on just about every level.

As far as the state cutting children's programs that to in factually inaccurate. The budget cuts have cut deeply into all variations of the state spending just not on children's programs.

As far as the Democrats raiding the local revenue this happened exactly one time...under a Republican Governor. You can argue about whether or not it was right or wrong to do but it was necessary for the state to cover its shortfall again because of the revenue neutral or revenue shrinking policies demanded by the small Republican minority in the legislature.

 

[smb]

I suppose you think that if you yell "the sky is falling" and "conspiracy theory" loud enough, you can make anything look crazy. In your comfy little world, I'm sure you can afford to laugh at other people's problems. But in California, people are very unemployed.

You are assuming certain facts not in evidence. First, as a CA resident I am sure that I a much more aquainted with the unemployed in CA than you are. Second I wasn't make fun of the people that are unemployed. I was making fun of your assertion that Democratic super majorities will hasten our departure into hell and the root cause of this will be high speed rail. And you talk to me about conspiracy theories? There is room for some debate on whether it is good time or not to spend money on the high speed rail. It is a long term project that is necessary but I will also concede that there are higher priorities right now. That being said to suggest that high speed rail is going to bankrupt everyone is just nonsense. To suggest that Democratic majorities are going to lead us into "hell" is equal nonsense.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Why conservatism is dead to me: they routinely pass around nonsense like this, likening human beings to animals...

And because you believe the self-promoting bull**** of morons like Beck when they tell you that they are conservative thinkers.
You don't have to buy what those guys are selling. Just fyi.
But you seem to emulate Beck et al. So maybe you find Coulter and Beck admirable? I have no idea.