Report: U.S. to pay family of Ashli Babbitt, killed by police Jan. 6 (3 Viewers)

[Fledermaus]

Pretty wild imagination there. Especially given there's no bomb, and if there was, she could set it off at any time.

How about Babbitt sees a police officer with a gun pointed at her, or who shoves her backwards, and stops. Or gets through and was confronted by the officer. The reaction team is in place by that time and stops any others.

How about the officer in question remain in cover and handle the situation as it unfolds.

 

[Xilnik]

I'm not the one who brought up home invasions. Take up the issue with the poster I responded to.

My whole post was meant as a joke. I know that doesn't always come through in text. It was also meant to ironically highlight some of the threats posed too.

 

[Lursa]

Are there stand your ground laws at work?

Every state except Iowa has Castle-type laws.

 

[Fledermaus]

Then why are those on the left struggling to justify the shooting of an unarmed woman in a hallway with probably a dozen police officers? Why all of the 'what if's?' and hyperbolic language?

An insurrectioniat at the head of other insurrectioniats breached the final barricade between Congress members and the aforementioned insurrectioniats


That's what happened.

And the officer in question neutralized the imminent threat.

 

[Lursa]

Because TRUMP...

Note that he's been reduced to asking question after question because he cant answer any.

 

[Fledermaus]

Probably because there was no justification for the internal investigation to have come to that conclusion.

OPINION of someone not understanding the situation is noted.

But hey, at least the supporters of such didn't take over cities and riot all across America.

Irrelevant prattle.

 

[Lursa]

So the "if someone attacks your house" argument is irrelevant.

How does it differ from Castle Law in that the officer at all times has a right to defend himself from an imminent lethal threat AND his duty was to protect Congress?

So...I asked you the question also...are you going to answer it or keep avoiding it?

 

[Fledermaus]

It certainly CAN be cumulative. I have yet to hear how they all added up to fearing for his life, from HER specifically.

Transparency. The exact same reason that cops get tried in court. Internal investigations are suspect by any number of folks (likely you included in recent history) And if not YOU, then a whole lot of people posting in this thread.

See above.

Hypothetical's don't prove a thing. I could hypothetically not drive home today, or I could stop by the store on the way home. Some hypotheticals are more plausible than others.

Lots of people present were wearing backpacks. If backpacks posed a threat, then all backpack wearers should have been shot.

If he did, why only him? Was he the best trained?
Yes, the mob could have gone the complete opposite direction. He only had a few bullets remaining. The mob could have overwhelmed him with their great show of violence and force, and he would have died. (You'll forgive my use of hypotheticals here of course)

Castle Doctrine does NOT apply here.

A threat presented itself.

Said threat was neutralized with minimal deaths/injury.

 

[Deuce]

How about the officer in question remain in cover and handle the situation as it unfolds.

And, what, let the entire mob come through the barricades so there's nothing defensible left, risking the safety of the innocent congressional staffers Babbit was trying to murder?

Why? Why does Babbit deserve that?

 

[Lursa]

Ok. But the average person is likely to find themselves in jail for a number of years if they go about shooting unarmed people crawling through windows if they're not actually protecting their home. Relatable or not.

The exception is, of course, if there is an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm.

Store owner charged for shooting, killing alleged intruder at Charlotte business

Alan Brett Corder is charged with voluntary manslaughter in the death of 20-year-old Justin Anderson.

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The "home scenario" includes the armed, violent mob behind her.

 

[Taylor]

My whole post was meant as a joke. I know that doesn't always come through in text.

Oh, I certainly understand that!

 

[Fledermaus]

And, what, let the entire mob come through the barricades so there's nothing defensible left, risking the safety of the innocent congressional staffers Babbit was trying to murder?

Why? Why does Babbit deserve that?

You might want to look back at my posts...

I am defending the use of deadly force. Others have suggested the officer that fired expose himself and risk being attacked by the incoming mob.

 

[Taylor]

The "home scenario" includes the armed, violent mob behind her.

Do you think the next time there's a BLM riot, store owners should be able to kill people coming through their windows?

 

[Cope]

Every state except Iowa has Castle-type laws.

At work?

 

[Fledermaus]

Do you think the next time there's a BLM riot, store owners should be able to kill people coming through their windows?

BUTWHATABOUTBLM..

 

[Taylor]

How does it differ from Castle Law in that the officer at all times has a right to defend himself from an imminent lethal threat AND his duty was to protect Congress?

It's not a residence.

 

[Fledermaus]

At work?

When defending Congress members from violent insurrectioniats....

Yes.

 

[Taylor]

BUTWHATABOUTBLM..

Yes. What about any similar situation. This is how you want to live? People are that disposable to you?

 

[Lursa]

It certainly CAN be cumulative. I have yet to hear how they all added up to fearing for his life, from HER specifically.

Transparency. The exact same reason that cops get tried in court. Internal investigations are suspect by any number of folks (likely you included in recent history) And if not YOU, then a whole lot of people posting in this thread.

See above.

Hypothetical's don't prove a thing. I could hypothetically not drive home today, or I could stop by the store on the way home. Some hypotheticals are more plausible than others.

Lots of people present were wearing backpacks. If backpacks posed a threat, then all backpack wearers should have been shot.

If he did, why only him? Was he the best trained?
Yes, the mob could have gone the complete opposite direction. He only had a few bullets remaining. The mob could have overwhelmed him with their great show of violence and force, and he would have died. (You'll forgive my use of hypotheticals here of course)

What a bullshit response. And it was mostly more questions. "Why didnt the cops shoot everyone with backpacks?" That has to be the most cowardly response in the thread.

Any time there is a self-defense shooting it's based on a hypothetical...true or false? Do you KNOW they'll kill you? Or do you weigh all the factors? One woman, the first woman, was just one factor...part of the mob...why didnt you answer the question about how many he should have let thru before being overwhelmed and killed and his gun taken? Keep hiding.

The "what would a reasonable man do" thing here seems just so inconvenient to your hugely slanted post.

Castle Doctrine does NOT apply here.

I didnt say it did...why do you make up stuff? Because you cant escape this thread with a shred of dignity left, that's why. Or you would answer questions directly and not with other questions.

Castle Law not needed. The officer at all times has a right to defend himself from an imminent lethal threat AND his duty was to protect Congress. Yes or no? And then please explain if you'd allow her to break in thru your window, with your family in the home, and an armed, violent mob behind her?

 

[Xilnik]

Do you think the next time there's a BLM riot, store owners should be able to kill people coming through their windows?

Can't they already if they feel their lives are in danger? I think a mob in that situation would be the same. You left out a key detail regardless. A store owner is different from someone trained to secure a location with government training.

 

[tharock220]

Trump should instruct attorneys for the US government to offer to settle for $40 million.

Their loved one was murdered.

 

[Lursa]

A threat presented itself.

Said threat was neutralized with minimal deaths/injury.

And appropriate use of force. He stopped it with one shot. If more of the mob had come thru after her, more would have been shot...and then the cop also would have been harmed/killed and his gun taken to be used on their stated target...Congress. Hypothetical? All situation assessments are hypothetical. Cops are trained based on hypotheticals and assessments....so using that "semantic tactic" is BS.

 

[Lursa]

Do you think the next time there's a BLM riot, store owners should be able to kill people coming through their windows?

Please answer my questions before asking more of your own. Why cant you do that?

 

[Lursa]

How does it differ from Castle Law in that the officer at all times has a right to defend himself from an imminent lethal threat AND his duty was to protect Congress?

So...I asked you the question also...are you going to answer it or keep avoiding it?

It's not a residence.

See the bold? Those are the criteria the cop had to legally support his actions.

Like in your home, to defend your own life and then to protect your family.

Still wont answer, eh?

 

[Lursa]

At work?

Castle Law not needed. The officer at all times has a right to defend himself from an imminent lethal threat AND his duty was to protect Congress. Yes or no? And then please explain if you'd allow her to break in thru your window, with your family in the home, and an armed, violent mob behind her?