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Report: U.S. to pay family of Ashli Babbitt, killed by police Jan. 6 (1 Viewer)

Taylor said:
And other people who reviewed the shooting agree. Hence the debate.
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Were any of the people who agreed with your stance experts in law enforcement threat assessment? If so, do you have their reports?
 
Taylor said:
RIght. Just like I said, "may use deadly force only when necessary, that is, when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or to another person."
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Such as, for example, when someone is smashing through a barricade to attack Congress.

She chose to do that. She chose to threaten others. She made all the dumb decisions that resulted in her getting (rightfully) shot.

And it's just tragic that the same people who see that so clearly when it's BLM rioters getting shot suddenly can't see it when it's someone in a red maga hat getting shot.

Tribalism makes us stupid :(

Taylor said:
But it's not legal to shoot someone coming through a window unless it's your home.
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*or something I have lawful authority to protect with deadly force. For example, if someone attempted to smash through my Entry Control Point when I was in the Marines, I would have shot them.
 
DCCougar said:
I used to hear that kind of response on the elementary school playground: "I know you are but what am I?" It's truly infantile.
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With all due respect to your elementary school experiences, left wing TDS is a cult. Conservatives, MAGA or otherwise do not get triggered every time they see a Harris or Biden, baseball cap or bumper sticker, or an anti-Trump bumper sticker. The TDS cult goes into rage mode if they see someone on a subway or bus wearing a red MAGA hat. Police have been called to airports because some idiot is trespassed after raging about a fellow passenger wearing a MAGA hat or tee shirt. And there are those libruls who are firebombing Tesla dealerships or keying privately owned Teslas because Elon Musk is working with Trump.
 
MAGAnificent said:
Virtually every cop on the planet is at least equipped with pepper spray.
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is pepper spray by one person the preferred way to deal with a violent mob that outnumbers him?
 
MAGAnificent said:
Virtually every cop on the planet is at least equipped with pepper spray.
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Office Byrd was not per Metro PD's IA report:

Judicial Watch article said:
A Metro PD Internal Affairs Division report indicates that the Internal Affairs Division interviewed Lt. Michael Byrd and another United States Capitol Police officer (whose name is withheld), on January 6, 2021, at 7:38 p.m. and the interview was recorded. The investigators notes that Byrd, on duty that day since 7:00 a.m., was only equipped with his service weapon, but no ASP (telescoping baton) or OC (pepper spray). He’d last qualified on the shooting range on October 22, 2020. The report notes, “Lieutenant Byrd declined to provide a statement until he can consult an attorney.” The interviewing agent asked Byrd to have his attorney contact him.
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dcsports said:
Not that contradictory. It was rejected by the capitol police board - specifically the two seargents at arms, based on their conversations with their leadership. They report to the speaker of the House and Senate Majority Leader. I agree that those two should have been grilled as to who specifically denied it and why, rather than the vague responses they gave. Obviously the house Jan 6 'committee' had no interest in diving into that, although it was a key issue.
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Neither Pelosi or McConnell had any authority/role in requesting additional LEO/security.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Neither Pelosi or McConnell had any authority/role in requesting additional LEO/security.
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Technically, the Capitol Police Board has that responsibility. That's three people - the Architect of the Capitol and the two Seargents at Arms. The architect of course is at most times going to defer to the other two.

The Sargent's at Arms were consulting their bosses, and turned down the request out of a concern for optics. The Senate one actually suggested the chief make an informal request because he couldn't approve the formal one. So while Pelosi and McConnel don't have a direct role - the people that did reported to them. Who do you think was making the decision?
 
dcsports said:
Technically, the Capitol Police Board has that responsibility. That's three people - the Architect of the Capitol and the two Seargents at Arms. The architect of course is at most times going to defer to the other two.

The Sargent's at Arms were consulting their bosses, and turned down the request out of a concern for optics. The Senate one actually suggested the chief make an informal request because he couldn't approve the formal one. So while Pelosi and McConnel don't have a direct role - the people that did reported to them. Who do you think was making the decision?
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The Sargents at Arms do not require the concurrence of either House leadership to request additional security from the CPB.

Try again?
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Correct!

Babbitt and the other violent attackers were a few yards and one door away from members of Congress and others on the House floor.
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To give a since of how close they got...

The red arrow is the door where Babbitt was shot.

The green circle is the door into the House Chamber.

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WorldWatcher said:
To give a since of how close they got...

The red arrow is the door where Babbitt was shot.

The green circle is the door into the House Chamber.

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No imminent threat at all... I retract all my concerns earlier in this thread about Byrd possibly showing more restraint. That's closer than I realized. No wonder he fired without hesitation.
 
Cope said:
Or be shot?

In ya'll haste to demonize this woman, you have no idea what you are espousing anymore.
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Sure, I do. I can expect to be shot if I'm climbing through a window me and my mob shattered so we can get to lawmakers after beating cops half to death.
 
Tettsuo said:
Sure, I do. I can expect to be shot if I'm climbing through a window me and my mob shattered so we can get to lawmakers after beating cops half to death.
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By her?

You keep trying to generalize this by ramping up the hyperbole.

Maybe don't do that and discuss this on it's merits?

Otherwise i'll just disregard the hyperbolic nonsense. If you can't see that what you espousing in THIS instance would be bad in ALL other instances, perhaps you should review this one in greater detail?
 
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