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Weather change denialism AND the Agenda 21 meme. This is a great post for analyzing knownothing rightwing memes.
Solar variations. This isn't hard information to discover. (although they don't call that "man-made" for obvious reasons. perhaps your error is in thinking that climate changes can only be natural or man-made, but "either" and "both" are also options)
It's a natural process. But today, everything has to be a freaking crisis so government can expand indiscrimantly and exponentially.
Scare the crap out of people and tax them to death.
Climate does change naturally. Does this preclude the possibility of humans influencing it?
I only ask because your wording seems to be exclusive.
A good point and should be remembered. The answer of course is no, it doesn't preclude that possibility. But to recognise human influence we first need to understand the basic natural system of climate. We do not adequately know that yet. Not near enough to be making assumptions about the significance of human forcing.
This is the rehashed we don't know everything, so we know nothing.. (often followed by Goddidit) argument. We know enough to make an informed assessment of what is happening. We also know that no alternative explanation better fits the circumstances in which we find ourselves
Climate does change naturally. Does this preclude the possibility of humans influencing it?
I only ask because your wording seems to be exclusive.
No. Literally nobody said that. You misunderstood.
The trick is to realize that more than one thing affects climate. At any given moment one or more of those factors might have significant influence on the observed trend, and one or more of those factors might have little or no change.
Over the last 50 years the biggest factor has been increasing greenhouse gases.
The 50 years prior to that was primarily solar forcing.
This isn't some new argument I'm fabricating. This has always been the argument. Literally nobody has ever suggested that sun doesn't affect temperature. If at any point this is your interpretation of the argument, your interpretation is wrong.
Solar variations. This isn't hard information to discover. (although they don't call that "man-made" for obvious reasons. perhaps your error is in thinking that climate changes can only be natural or man-made, but "either" and "both" are also options)
This is the rehashed we don't know everything, so we know nothing.. (often followed by Goddidit) argument. We know enough to make an informed assessment of what is happening. We also know that no alternative explanation better fits the circumstances in which we find ourselves
The difference is that one group says we don't know enough about this so let's learn more about this while another group is saying we don't know enough about this so let's run of half cocked and change the world even though it might not do anything productive or corrective.
No, it's not. We are learning more about the system, but we do not know enough about it to make the determinations, to draw the conclusions that are being drawn to suit POLITICAL purposes.
Not every issue falls into the silly left v right category of thinking you seemingly default to. I know a number of leftists who don't buy into the cult, just as I know a number of right-wingers who do.
It's a natural process. But today, everything has to be a freaking crisis so government can expand indiscrimantly and exponentially.
Scare the crap out of people and tax them to death.
Well, surprise, surprise....Warming is caused by the sun.....Who'd have thunk it?.....:mrgreen:
So the question is, why would an international body like the UN be pushing so hard for man made climate change? The answer is in what few know about, called agenda 21.
So you all tell me. I know that those willing, or wanting to mask the "ends" that they are for will attack me for using the Blaze as a source for the secondary piece, but agenda 21 is there for all to read...
Agenda 21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Read it, and do your own research, but this is probably the clearest sign that the UN is a dangerous to freedom, and needs to be dismantled.
What caused the end of the last Ice Age?
clownboy, the climatologist speaks.
Regrettably for rightwing conspiracy theorists, real climatologists disagree.
clownboy, the climatologist speaks.
Regrettably for rightwing conspiracy theorists, real climatologists disagree.
Yes, yes, all three of them.
Climate change denialism is a rightwing meme, fostered and paid for by Big Carbon, and activiting the conspiratorial part of the tea party brain, such as it is. Progressives listen to scientists and try to make rational policy based on the best science.
It's sort of funny to hear you defend you position by claiming falsely that some liberals are as irrational as you are.
Climatology is useless. The only science that matters when putting the puzzle together is geology. A climatologist cant tell you what the weather (or climate) was like 5,000 or 500,000 years ago - a geologist can.
I'm glad someone said it. Not to mention, climatologists apparently don't understand plate tectonics or that the spot they measured for conditions last year isn't in the same place as it is the next year.
Regardless, I do think that solar activity and natural things on earth greatly impact climate. We know that climate changes naturally, I don't think there is sufficient evidence to state without a reasonable doubt that man made waste/emissions are warming the planet to a significant degree when compared to other factors, especially when so much politics surrounds the issue.
Lets also not forget these same fools are trying to convince people that solar activity plays no role in warming but humans do. It's flippn' ridiculous.
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