Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Details

[Helix]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Thats super but we aren't even close to being there yet-any move in that direction without a suitable alternative would be disastrous for any nation wishing to thrive in the 21st century.

i support a thirty year moonshot with the goal of replacing our transportation energy model. this would be accomplished via public / private partnerships.

 

[shrubnose]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

It was an effort that resulted in dead American soldiers trying to rescue this piece of crap.

He needs the firing line.

I very much doubt that we'll ever see that. Too many people feel sorry for this guy who created his own problems. :roll:

He'll be left to stew in his own juice.I doubt that he'll even spend a day in the slammer.

 

[gdgyva]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Nah, I'm not playing any more of your FAR Right games with you. Don't you have some Obama Is The Anti-Christ meeting to attend?

so just backtrack your statement in # 93

either stand by what you wrote, or backtrack it

that is all i or anyone else is asking

 

[Paperview]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Look, we know the basic facts of the case, and we know what the army is charging him with.
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Maybe you haven't heard, but the Army has stated unequivocally the Fox News story that sparked this thread -- and the NBC article, is patently false.

 

[Renae]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

then why aren't the hawks calling for long term ground war and occupation in places where there isn't oil?

i don't believe that oil is the only factor. it's an important one, though, and replacing it before it gets scarce will do a lot of good for our nation.

It wont be scares in our life time.

 

[Helix]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

It wont be scares in our life time.

i'm planning to have children. i don't want them or my grandchildren to be sucked into some stupid war for diminishing amounts of a nineteenth century source of energy that we should have already replaced by then. we've listened to the "get a horse" crowd for long enough. the organized effort should have begun after the first warning that we got in the 1970s. the fact that there's enough oil now means that we still have time. we need to use that time starting right now.

 

[shrubnose]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Maybe you haven't heard, but the Army has stated unequivocally the Fox News story that sparked this thread -- and the NBC article, is patently false.

If Fox Snooze announces that the sky is falling some people on the right will be hiding in their basements. :roll:

 

[Renae]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

i'm planning to have children. i don't want them or my grandchildren to be sucked into some stupid war for diminishing amounts of a nineteenth century source of energy that we should have already replaced by then. we've listened to the "get a horse" crowd for long enough. the organized effort should have begun after the first warning that we got in the 1970s. the fact that there's enough oil now means that we still have time. we need to use that time starting right now.

Helix there is three hundred years worth of known oil reserves. Relax. FYI oil disruption is a global issue thats why war happens in those ares and not say... uganda. its to keep the lights on, cars running, not enrich oil barons.

 

[Helix]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Helix there is three hundred years worth of known oil reserves. Relax. FYI oil disruption is a global issue thats why war happens in those ares and not say... uganda. its to keep the lights on, cars running, not enrich oil barons.

i'll be exceptionally surprised if we haven't moved past oil by then. also, i doubt that this figure takes into account significant population growth and more developing nations. not to mention that it isn't just a matter of running out all at once. if oil is still the primary energy source, supplies will diminish slowly, and that could mean a lot of conflict. i'd prefer that we be the generation that figures out a better energy model first.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

It's a lot more accurate than what Fox News has reported. :roll:

Actually, the only "hard thing" they have reported is that his attorney has been presented with a list of potential charges. And that I actually believe (and it is typical at this point).

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

then why aren't the hawks calling for long term ground war and occupation in places where there isn't oil?

There was lots of oil in Vietnam, right? And Korea. And our involvement in Lebanon on multiple occasions, because of all of their oil.

And oh yes, Afghanistan. So much oil there we are swimming in it.

The fail is when people try to make bogus conspiracies out of military actions. I flush such ideas right where they belong, along with the 9-11 Truthers, Birthers, Flat Earthers, and all the other nutjobs.

 

[shrubnose]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Actually, the only "hard thing" they have reported is that his attorney has been presented with a list of potential charges. And that I actually believe (and it is typical at this point).

From what I have read, according to the Pentagon that is BS. If and when any charges are ever filed the Pentagon will make an announcement.

That hasn't happened yet. :roll:

It is possible that no charges will ever be filed.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Maybe you haven't heard, but the Army has stated unequivocally the Fox News story that sparked this thread -- and the NBC article, is patently false.

And they can say whatever they like. But when you cut out the opinion and spin, what did the original piece really say that seems like a hard fact?

That the investigation was essentially done, all evidence gathering and interviews are done, only thing they are doing now is compiling what was collected. And that the attorney has been presented with a list of potential charges.

Nothing in that seems unbelievable to me at all. So much of this story has become political spin, and I really could not care less about that. Does anybody think that after this much time the investigation is not all but finished? Or that the attorneys have not been presented preliminary findings and potential charges? That would be routine in a civilian investigation, what would be so different here?

 

[Paperview]

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Actually, the only "hard thing" they have reported is that his attorney has been presented with a list of potential charges. And that I actually believe (and it is typical at this point).

Not true.

 

[Paperview]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

And they can say whatever they like. But when you cut out the opinion and spin, what did the original piece really say that seems like a hard fact?

That the investigation was essentially done, all evidence gathering and interviews are done, only thing they are doing now is compiling what was collected. And that the attorney has been presented with a list of potential charges.

Nothing in that seems unbelievable to me at all. So much of this story has become political spin, and I really could not care less about that. Does anybody think that after this much time the investigation is not all but finished? Or that the attorneys have not been presented preliminary findings and potential charges? That would be routine in a civilian investigation, what would be so different here?

Pentagon slams Bergdahl story as 'patently false

“The reporting from Fox News and NBC on Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl is patently false,” Maj. Gen. Ronald Lewis said in a statement. “To be clear, there have been no actions or decisions on the Sgt. Bergdahl investigation.”
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"So let me just put a fork in this right now, if I can. No decision has been made with respect to the case of Sergeant Bergdahl. None," Kirby said. "And there is no timeline to make that decision. And General Milley is not being put under any pressure to make a decision, either way. It's certainly not on any timeline. So, I just want to make that very clear."

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

From what I have read, according to the Pentagon that is BS. If and when any charges are ever filed the Pentagon will make an announcement.

That hasn't happened yet. :roll:

It is possible that no charges will ever be filed.

Remember, the military legal system is very different form the civilian one. But in some ways it is not so different. Any "Plea Bargains" are resolved long before the case ever gets to the "charges" phase. This is because unlike the civilian legal system the type of court martial determines the potential outcomes. So even if this guy is tried for the same offense, his being brought up in a General, Special or Summary Court Martial can make a huge difference (even though the charge is the same).

If this was a Civilian case, they could charge him, bring him into superior court and read charges, then plea bargain away. But in Military a plea bargain is very different. Imagine if he made an agreement that for a guilty he would serve no more then 1 year in jail, then was slammed with a General Court Martial. Well, if I was an attorney I would demand that any such trial not be General but Special, where the maximum sentence is 1 year in custody.

I am used to seeing things like this, having seen how the legal system works in the military many times. We are not at Article 10 (pre-trial confinement), we have not even had the Article 32, which is basically the pre-trial hearing. We are still way early in this process, and trying to make this something it is not from what I have seen here is either based on politics, or people who have no idea how the UCMJ works.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Pentagon slams Bergdahl story as 'patently false

“The reporting from Fox News and NBC on Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl is patently false,” Maj. Gen. Ronald Lewis said in a statement. “To be clear, there have been no actions or decisions on the Sgt. Bergdahl investigation.”

And how does that contradict his attorney being presented with potential charges?

What the Army is saying is correct. He has not had an Article 32 hearing, he is not under Article 10 Pre-Trial Confinement. Therefore anything about giving a list of potential charges is neither an action nor a decision. Presenting such to the attorneys is not a statement of charges, it is nothing that is unusual in even a civilian investigation at this phase. No more then when a cop reads your Miranda Rights, he is saying you will be charged if you say anything, only that you can be charged.

 

[Paperview]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

And how does that contradict his attorney being presented with potential charges?

What the Army is saying is correct. He has not had an Article 32 hearing, he is not under Article 10 Pre-Trial Confinement. Therefore anything about giving a list of potential charges is neither an action nor a decision. Presenting such to the attorneys is not a statement of charges, it is nothing that is unusual in even a civilian investigation at this phase. No more then when a cop reads your Miranda Rights, he is saying you will be charged if you say anything, only that you can be charged.

That hasn't happened. What part of "patently false" are you not getting?

 

[Helix]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

There was lots of oil in Vietnam, right? And Korea. And our involvement in Lebanon on multiple occasions, because of all of their oil.

i didn't claim that every war in the 20th century was because of oil. also, we weren't terribly energy dependent on regions that didn't like us back then.

And oh yes, Afghanistan. So much oil there we are swimming in it.

Afghanistan because Saudi Arabia, where most of the hijackers came from, was and is swimming in it.

The fail is when people try to make bogus conspiracies out of military actions. I flush such ideas right where they belong, along with the 9-11 Truthers, Birthers, Flat Earthers, and all the other nutjobs.

i'm not saying that the wars were entirely because of oil. but we've been heavily involved in that region both militarily and in other ways since we started to rely on Middle Eastern oil.

 

[Wiggen]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Americans died because this douche deserted. Resources were devoted to searching for him that were not there to protect Americans elsewhere. If convicted, he needs to assume room temperature.

Whatever you say, tough guy.

 

[Wiggen]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

so just backtrack your statement in # 93

either stand by what you wrote, or backtrack it

that is all i or anyone else is asking

I stand by what I wrote. This forum was filled with sympathetic posts from the Far Right regarding Bales, and I gave you a link that proved it. Hey, stick your head in the sand. I'm done with you.

 

[Paperview]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Shaffer is not to be trusted. He has a long history of spewing horse ****.

Remember the Able Danger conspiracy kookiness? That was Shaffer.

He's also made other wild claims, which later prove to be false:

"Retired Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer said Saturday he has sources saying President Barack Obama was in the room at the White House watching the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya unfold."

Retired Lt. Col.: My Sources Say Obama Was in the Room Watching Benghazi Attack Happen | Video | TheBlaze.com

Anyway -- Army Bergdahl reports are untrue no decision made

"The Army says there is no truth to media reports claiming a decision has been made to charge Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl with desertion.

The Army continues to review the case against Bergdahl, said Paul Boyce, a spokesman for Forces Command, on Tuesday.

In a report Monday citing two anonymous military sources, retired Lt. Col. Tony Schaffer told Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" that the Army plans to charge Bergdahl with desertion. Schaffer also told the outlet his sources confirmed to him that Bergdahl's lawyer has been given a charge sheet.

But Boyce said there is no charge sheet and that the Fox News story "seems to be speculative in nature."

Bergdhal very well could be charged, but so far...basing it on the Shaffer allegation?

Meh.

 

[Renae]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

i'll be exceptionally surprised if we haven't moved past oil by then. also, i doubt that this figure takes into account significant population growth and more developing nations. not to mention that it isn't just a matter of running out all at once. if oil is still the primary energy source, supplies will diminish slowly, and that could mean a lot of conflict. i'd prefer that we be the generation that figures out a better energy model first.

I wouldn't mind either, in fact I support that. But, the caveat is I'm not delusional about the state of current oil supply nor do I buy the hoax of AGW. I'm an optimist with a grounded view of history and reality.

 

[Oozlefinch]

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i'm not saying that the wars were entirely because of oil. but we've been heavily involved in that region both militarily and in other ways since we started to rely on Middle Eastern oil.

And we were heavily involved there before oil was ever discovered. So once again, your point is other then conspiracy theory claims?

Try dealing with facts and not conjecture and fantasy theories. None of which have anything to do with the topic of this thread.

 

[Helix]

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

And we were heavily involved there before oil was ever discovered. So once again, your point is other then conspiracy theory claims?

Try dealing with facts and not conjecture and fantasy theories. None of which have anything to do with the topic of this thread.

we weren't heavily involved to the point of installing puppet regimes (which collapsed,) arming tinpot dictators (and then going to war with them,) and maintaining a decades long state of war, which continues to lead to new wars.