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Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Details

Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Look, we know the basic facts of the case, and we know what the army is charging him with. We know about his freak family and we know what they people who served with him knew. Apparently he only spoke to his family for the first time a few weeks ago.

If he's found guilty, hang that bitch high.

Is that what they would have done when you were serving in Afghanistan? Or Iraq? You are speaking from experience, right? Or are you another one of those super patriots who let other people do the fighting for him? You aren't a chicken hawk, are you?

With all due respect, we 'know' jack-**** about the particulars of this case. Now if you want to petition Congress to re-write the Uniform Code of Military Justice so it conforms with your particular prejudices, be my guest.
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

and that of course means that oil will be the best fuel that humanity is ever able to come up with. kind of like how the telegraph was the pinnacle of long distance communication.

No. It doesn't. It means all the current alternatives are inadaquate.
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Sounds logical to me. Still, I dont know that he'd be charged unless there was significant evidence. And Ive already heard from those he served with on TV-but of course im not trying anyone.

The ultimate charges may be anything from dereliction of duty and given an Article 15 hearing (essentially minor infraction), all the way up to desertion in the face of the enemy and warranting a General Court Martial (felony trial, punishment up to death penalty).

At this point it seems like the preliminary investigations are all completed, and the charges (if any) are being prepared. In this aspect it is not unlike any regular trial. Only that in the most severe (General Court Martial) instead of a traditional jury it has a military judge, and a 5 member board of Officers (1/3 will be Enlisted if the defendant requests). However, the accused can also request that the full legal proceedings be bypassed and the entirety of the case held in front of a single judge.

However, one big difference is that instead of being unanimous a conviction only needs a 2/3 majority (4 of the 5 must vote for guilty). So if even 2 members vote for acquittal, the person is acquitted. The only time a unanimous guilty is required is if the accused is facing capitol punishment. And of course there is also an automatic appeals process, just as in civilian courts.

One big difference in the military legal system is that civilian judges rarely get involved. They are allowed, but must be paid for at the expense of the accused. Military defense lawyers are free so that is what most choose to use. And because of the normally intensive investigations held before the trial, if the case does not look strong enough to convict with a 4 out of 5 member body in judgment they simply do not go forward with the cases.

But just like in civilian court, there are often "plea bargains" involved in this early phase. Plead guilty to a lesser offense in a lesser level of Court Martial (Special or Summary) and the more serious charges are dropped.

And there are some major differences between all of the levels of military punishment.

In a General Court Martial every conviction is a Felony Conviction. Punishment can range like any felony, up to life in prison or death. And this is the only level that can award a Dishonorable Discharge. Board is a judge alone or 5 member panel at the discretion of the accused (1/3 of which may be enlisted).

In a Special Court Martial, a conviction may be a felony, depending on what the charge was. And punishment can not exceed confinement for 1 year. At this level the awarding of a Bad Conduct Discharge. The board is a judge alone, or a 3 member panel (1 of which may be enlisted, as always at the discretion of the accused).

A Summary Court Martial is the lowest, generally the Commanding Officer of the unit's Brigade or a representative thereof. There is no panel, just the individual appointed to judge the case. Confinement of no more then 30 days, and discharge can not be worse then Other Then Honorable (OTH).

Article 15 is the absolute lowest, generally on the lines of a civilian infraction. The Commanding Officer (typically Captain or Battalion Commander) hears the case in an informal setting. Punishment can not be more then 7-14 days confinement. Discharge of General or General under Honorable Conditions can be awarded, only if the charge was of sufficient seriousness to warrant early discharge, or there has been a pattern of misconduct by the individual.
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Everybody who ever goes AWOL 'intends to leave'.

But there is also a difference between "going over the wire" to try and get some drugs or alcohol or a woman, and purposefully intending on deserting to the side of the enemy. This is the difference between Article 86 (Absence without Leave), Article 86 (Desertion), or even Article 99 (Misbehavior before the enemy) or Article 99 (Treason and Espionage).

This is why I wait to get all the facts before I try to judge something like this.
 
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No. It doesn't. It means all the current alternatives are inadaquate.

a Damascus steel sword was once more than adequate. oil isn't the best that we can do. there will eventually be a new transportation energy model. we should be devoting more resources to developing that model.
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

a Damascus steel sword was once more than adequate. oil isn't the best that we can do. there will eventually be a new transportation energy model. we should be devoting more resources to developing that model.

We should develop things that work. When a product arrives that is better then or equal to oil... it will take off. But that product does not exsist in any useful form today in 2015 or the foreseeable future
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

We should develop things that work. When a product arrives that is better then or equal to oil... it will take off. But that product does not exsist in any useful form today in 2015 or the foreseeable future

energy is the lifeblood of the economy, and is thus a national security issue. we shouldn't wait for it to be massively profitable before developing a new model. we got our first warning in the 1970s. had we acted then, the need for interventionism might have dropped precipitously.
 
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energy is the lifeblood of the economy, and is thus a national security issue. we shouldn't wait for it to be massively profitable before developing a new model. we got our first warning in the 1970s. had we acted then, the need for interventionism might have dropped precipitously.

Helix, the fault in your logic is thinking these wars are about oil. The secondary fault is thinking oil is in short supply, we have more now then we've ever had and if the middle east exploded tomorrow enough oil CONUS to supply us for several hundred years.
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Is that what they would have done when you were serving in Afghanistan? Or Iraq? You are speaking from experience, right? Or are you another one of those super patriots who let other people do the fighting for him? You aren't a chicken hawk, are you?

With all due respect, we 'know' jack-**** about the particulars of this case. Now if you want to petition Congress to re-write the Uniform Code of Military Justice so it conforms with your particular prejudices, be my guest.

What I know leads me to believe he deserted. What the military knows has lead the military to charge him for desertion.

Thats plenty. As I said-IF he's found guilty its time for a transverse odontoid fracture.
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

a Damascus steel sword was once more than adequate. oil isn't the best that we can do. there will eventually be a new transportation energy model. we should be devoting more resources to developing that model.

Thats super but we aren't even close to being there yet-any move in that direction without a suitable alternative would be disastrous for any nation wishing to thrive in the 21st century.
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

But there is also a difference between "going over the wire" to try and get some drugs or alcohol or a woman, and purposefully intending on deserting to the side of the enemy. This is the difference between Article 86 (Absence without Leave), Article 86 (Desertion), or even Article 99 (Misbehavior before the enemy) or Article 99 (Treason and Espionage).

This is why I wait to get all the facts before I try to judge something like this.

Again, the government has to prove he never had any intention of returning. That's not opinion. That's the UCMJ. How exactly are they going to do that?

I love these assholes who want to lock the guy up for the rest of his life or 'shoot him'. Give him a bad paper discharge, strip him of his rank, deny him his back pay - all those may be appropriate punishment for what he did. But shooting him? Jesus, nobody ever suggested that for the guy that murdered 16 women and children in Afghanistan.
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

What I know leads me to believe he deserted. What the military knows has lead the military to charge him for desertion.

Thats plenty. As I said-IF he's found guilty its time for a transverse odontoid fracture.

Has the military charged him with desertion? I checked the news and I see no such report. Do you have an inside source in the Pentagon that's providing you information? How exciting for you!

You didn't answer my question about how you would have handled things when you were in combat. Simple question.

And again, you know jack-**** about the UCMJ or about Bergdahl, other than what you've heard on Sewer radio or Fox news.
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Again, the government has to prove he never had any intention of returning. That's not opinion. That's the UCMJ. How exactly are they going to do that?

I love these assholes who want to lock the guy up for the rest of his life or 'shoot him'. Give him a bad paper discharge, strip him of his rank, deny him his back pay - all those may be appropriate punishment for what he did. But shooting him? Jesus, nobody ever suggested that for the guy that murdered 16 women and children in Afghanistan.

Americans died because this douche deserted. Resources were devoted to searching for him that were not there to protect Americans elsewhere. If convicted, he needs to assume room temperature.
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Has the military charged him with desertion? I checked the news and I see no such report. Do you have an inside source in the Pentagon that's providing you information? How exciting for you!

You didn't answer my question about how you would have handled things when you were in combat. Simple question.

And again, you know jack-**** about the UCMJ or about Bergdahl, other than what you've heard on Sewer radio or Fox news.

Did you catch the thread title? Read the OP? This suggests the army believes it has a case-and all this after that bizarre rose garden ceremony. Apparently the military thinks it has a case.
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Did you catch the thread title? Read the OP? This suggests the army believes it has a case-and all this after that bizarre rose garden ceremony.
Apparently the military thinks it has a case.



It's Thursday, the 29th of January and I can't find any news about a trial for Sgt Bowe Bergdahl.

When is it going to start?

Maybe Fox needs to re-check its sources,eh?
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

It's Thursday, the 29th of January and I can't find any news about a trial for Sgt Bowe Bergdahl.

When is it going to start?

Maybe Fox needs to re-check its sources,eh?

Even in a civil trial, it would take time-you know that.
 
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Even in a civil trial, it would take time-you know that.



And when no charges have been filed it takes even longer, eh? :roll:

I predict that any Bergdahl trial will happen when it happens and not one day early.
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

So you are a supporter of leaving soldiers overseas when we pull out of country?

Yes, if he deserts, then conspires with the enemy... No effort should be made to "rescue" him. But every effort must be made to kill him or capture him and imprison him.
 
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Yes, if he deserts, then conspires with the enemy... No effort should be made to "rescue" him.
But every effort must be made to kill him or capture him and imprison him.



How many American lives would you be willing to throw away on that effort? :roll:
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

How many American lives would you be willing to throw away on that effort? :roll:

It was an effort that resulted in dead American soldiers trying to rescue this piece of crap.

He needs the firing line.
 
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Let's talk about Bale instead of Calley. Calley was an incredible miscarriage of justice that we can't do anything about. How about Bale - you a member of the Far Right that thinks murdering women and children is no big deal?

You are correct in one respect, however. I do loathe the FAR RIGHT without any exception.


You ignored my post. Your intolerance is no better than that which you accuse others of. You are no different. '



I've shown over 90%. that must include liberals. Why are you only butt hurt over right wingers?
 
Re: Report: Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Be Charged for Desertion — Here Are the Detail

Helix, the fault in your logic is thinking these wars are about oil. The secondary fault is thinking oil is in short supply, we have more now then we've ever had and if the middle east exploded tomorrow enough oil CONUS to supply us for several hundred years.

then why aren't the hawks calling for long term ground war and occupation in places where there isn't oil?

i don't believe that oil is the only factor. it's an important one, though, and replacing it before it gets scarce will do a lot of good for our nation.
 
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