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Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans


Again...PLEASE tell me how spending 7+ billion dollars creating panels and commissions is supposed provide care to those first responders.

I KNOW that 7 billion MORE in debt for beauracracy is just a drop in the bucket when compared to our 14 TRILLION dollar debt...but maybe...JUST maybe...if you are creating legislation with the sole intent to provide health care (apparently above and beyond what they are already getting) then the legislation should reflect that and IF that be the case...then shame on republicans for not supporting it. Until then...shame on ANYONE for blindly following idiotic ideological arguments.
 
WHy on earth didnt the dems with their majority pass the resolution? What did the dems do (or stuff into) to the legislation that made it so unpalatable? .

I haven't seen much on the story, but my understanding is that it contained some pork that Republicans didn't want to pass.
 
At the end of the day, 9-11 first responders are left without health care and Republicans are the ones who voted it down.

This is an overly simplistic view that ignores the reality of the situation.
 
Sort of an annoying sidebar here. But was there anything in the bill that addressed how this benefit was going to get paid for? Issue applies to both parties. Seven billion is seven thousand million dollars. That is a lot of money that either comes from existing revenues or just add to the actions of an out of control group of crazed check writers.

It has been nine years since the 9/11 event. If this really is a needed bill to cover overlooked needs of a group of heroes, shouldn't they (Congress) be able to find some lesser value program to acquire the funds from?


(There i go again, talking crazy.....)



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eliminate some of the corporate subsidies and use those monies for the healthcare of the 911 rescuers ... assuming your support of the measure compels taking those monies from another federal budget line item
 

Thanks for posting this. Frankly, it's of no interest to me. I agree with another poster. Far too vague. These people have excellent health benefits, excellent disability. $7 billion1 Don't care if it passes or not. 'Course there'll be some PC political fallout. Who cares if Weiner handed the minority whip his ass? The Demos engineered this so that the Reps would have no input. Their bluff was called. Again, too bad so sad.

Justa said: i am delighted to learn you feel this way
but that does not explain your opposition to the bill while failing to know what was contained within it.

Neither did you 'til you looked it up.

And Thanks to Mr. Vicchio for "the REST of the story."

Chappy -- and just as much a shame AND MORE that the Dems chose to freeze out Reps. Or worse.
 
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eliminate some of the corporate subsidies and use those monies for the healthcare of the 911 rescuers ... assuming your support of the measure compels taking those monies from another federal budget line item

Works for me. Any record/links that the sponsors of the bill have proposed such a suggestion?

Or is this just a politically driven altruistic proposal that has no funding and just writes another check on an empty Federal bank account...??



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Or is this just a politically driven altruistic proposal that has no funding and just writes another check on an empty Federal bank account...??.

Bingo!
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Works for me. Any record/links that the sponsors of the bill have proposed such a suggestion?

Or is this just a politically driven altruistic proposal that has no funding and just writes another check on an empty Federal bank account...??



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we have the best government money can buy
so they write a check and print some money
SOP

but that in no way negates the legitimacy of the need of those 9/111 responders being in need to significant health care because of their service to our nation
not funding this would be little different than refusing to fund the VA medical centers
the GOP is an embarrassment to our nation
 
"It was wrong for the overwhelming majority of Republicans to vote against the bill, and it was wrong for Democrats to bring the bill to the floor under rules that made passage so much more difficult," he said."

That wasnt so hard, now was it...

Apparently too hard for you


If you hadn't noticed, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg is not Rep. Anthony Weiner.

Simple fact...

As far as I am concerned, you are the Andrew Breitbart of debatepolitics.com. So either provide a link for your “simple facts” or shut the **** up.

Kneejerk liberal idealogues...ya just gotta love em...

Personally, I despise knee jerk ideologues, conservative, liberal and otherwise.
 
Chappy -- and just as much a shame AND MORE that the Dems chose to freeze out Reps. Or worse.

Democrats didn't freeze out Republicans; they had their vote and they voted against 9-11 first responders. If Republicans were punishing Democrats they missed and struck American heroes instead.
 
Notice how not ONE SINGLE Lefty repeating the marching orders from their masters has responded to the FACTUAL information I have provided that refutes EACH of their points.

The lies of Chappy, Justabubba and others ignore facts, ignore the REAL reasons the GOP acted how they did, as listed on the Gop.gov link provided. They ignore the crux of the issue because THIS is seen as a stick to hit the GOP in hopes of helping Dem prospects in Nov.

So, carry on Chappy, Justabubba. You've shown how little facts and reality mean to you, just the emotional BS you've been told to say is what matters for you.
 
Your talking points boil down to this: House Republicans to 9-11 first responders, “We're not going to support your health care, so, sue us.”
 

You ought to see someone about that self loathing thing. Because you and how many others here do it every day.

I STILL...with all the obvious knowledge and intensive study that has enabled you and others here to be FOR passage of this legislation...have yet to see ANYONE explain how creating panels and committees and creating 7+ billion in spending is actually providing direct support for those 9/11 providers. Ive read the legislation...I dont see it. You?
 

then you actually agree with Weiner
his vehement condemnation of the republicans was that they did not vote down the bill because it was without merit
the republicans were cowards, unwilling to vote it down because they actually found the bill inappropriate to the needs of the 9/11 responders
they hid behind a parlimentary procedure to prevent its passage
that is what sparked his over-the-top outrage
 

So there are about 11,000 workers involved. Approximately $350 million has already been awarded, per this article. There's another $600 million in insurance available to these workers (in lump sum payments). And Congress is looking at a bill that will add another $7.4 BILLION to the pot?

Let's see $7,400,000,000 + $350,000,000 + $600,000,000 = $8,300,000,000 for 11,000 people = $754,500 per person. Without more information, this is just another boondoggle bill.
 
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Okay, I just gotta throw this out there:

With a name like Weiner, he shouldn't be in public service.

My congressman has a first name, it's A-n-t-h-o-n-y...
 
Your talking points boil down to this: House Republicans to 9-11 first responders, “We're not going to support your health care, so, sue us.”

No, that's what you've been told to scream at everyone. The actual reasoning doesn't matter. The GOP Blocked a Dem push to spend (with economy hurting consequences) 7.4 Billion because the Dem's refused to allow any changes, amendments or discussion on the matter.

There are all ready 3 programs to help the 911 folks, why do we need to spend this much? Why do it with no discussion? Questions you cannot ask, because you've been told NOT TOO.
 
What Rep. Weiner did with his outrage was to make it crystal clear to the American public that it is the Republicans who are against this potential popular legislation. Who could be against the 911 first responders? Silly me, the Republicans of course. The Repulicans play this game all the time.

The Republican plan was to add a phony "poison pill" amendment that would anger Hispanics – a key Democratic constituency.
 
The Democrats are, for their part, looking for legislative achievements that they can take back to their constituents.

The Republicans are, for their part, trying to deny them any such achievements.

What interests me a lot more is this question: What does this legislation even do, and is it even necessary? The 9/11 responders have been 9/11 responders for, oh, almost 9 years now -- so why now?
 

Have you not seen the arguments made to defend voting against this bill? Democrats 'forced' this bill. Democrats want to give money to illegal immigrants. Democrats want to give too much money to the 9/11 victims. The same Republicans who pimp out the 9/11 victims everytime they want to support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan are now telling us that the people who risked their lives trying to save others are getting too much money. The best part about it is MrVicchio posting a link about the GOP saying that this is an entitlement program. Oh well, I guess in his xenophobic America these people don't really deserve the money.
 

Here's an article that sums it up:


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...Weiner-rant-reveals-why-nobody-likes-Congress

I think there's more than enough blame to go around.
 
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No, I haven't seen them. I try to keep my intake of political malarchy to a minimum. My question is specifically with respect to what the bill actually does, and why it hasn't been done before now.
 
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