Rep. Adam Kinzinger: GOP must 'take ownership for what happened' on Jan. 6 or it will impact 2022 midterm elections

[eohrnberger]

Whether or not there's a commission - I doubt a anyone truly cares. It's just political showmanship.


There's not much to learn. It's already national news every time the media finds out that some random nobody is charged with misdemeanor trespassing. This is just about politicians wanting free tv/ad time. Democrats are already worried about midterms, and they should be.

"It's just political showmanship."
Spot on.

Seems many are ignoring that the Democrats can't really stand on their legislative and political / policy agenda, and it's detrimental effects on America and Americans, so the Democrats have little choice other than to make sure that 1/6 and Trump are kept in the spotlight to detract from exactly that.

Legitimate questions that deserve answers, which the Commission should address, but probably won't as it is counter to the Democrat demanded political narrative:

• Was law enforcement unprepared for the attack because of an intelligence failure?
• Was there a security failure?
• Was the National Guard ready?
• Did lawmakers, particularly House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, play a role in security decisions?

Instead, has we have already seen, the American people get the grossly politically driven push narrative which falsely equates those relatively few militant extremists who did breach the capitol barrier with Trump supporters (this a Venn diagram with some small overlap, but not a falsely claimed 100% overlap) and further, falsely equating those militant extremists with all Republicans.

This is just pure politically driven bullshit narrative, as the militants who breached the capital security barrier have been roundly condemned from all sides, as they should be and has they have been. Any accusation of 'support of seditionists' is pure political bullshit with a pure political bullshit motivation.

This 'Commission' is little more than political kabuki theater, not in search of any truth, other than the already pre-ordained and Democrat desired political outcome, the a platform for the desired bullshit political push narrative.

 

[MTAtech]

Yeah? Not so much:

As I posted, bullshit narrative promulgated by liberals / progressives / Democrat's.

I don't know which is worse, the right wing making up stories or them denying the stories that they made up.
We all saw a Republican Congressman literally say Jan. 6 Capitol riot looked like ‘normal tourist visit.’ Now, you say it's "bullshit narrative promulgated by liberals / progressives / Democrat's." Who should I believe, you or my own eyes?

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Whether or not there's a commission - I doubt a anyone truly cares. It's just political showmanship.

There's not much to learn. It's already national news every time the media finds out that some random nobody is charged with misdemeanor trespassing. This is just about politicians wanting free tv/ad time. Democrats are already worried about midterms, and they should be.

Legitimate questions that deserve answers, which the Commission should address, but probably won't as it is counter to the Democrat demanded political narrative:

• Was law enforcement unprepared for the attack because of an intelligence failure?
• Was there a security failure?
• Was the National Guard ready?
• Did lawmakers, particularly House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, play a role in security decisions?

These are all great points the Commission should address.

However...

I think it's going to be impossible to talk about Jan 6th and the actions of the insurrectionists without also talking about the Big Lie and the role Trump and Republicans played in spreading the Big Lie.

And that's why they want to stop talking about it. Talking about the Big Lie would reveal the Big Lie as a lie, and expose Republicans, and also prevent Republicans from being able to push voter suppression laws on the basis of the same Big Lie.

It's far better for Republicans to pretend they don't know why the Jan 6th insurrectionists were motivated to storm Congress and violently overturn the election because they can use the same lies to try and recapture the House in 2022.

 

[MTAtech]

"It's just political showmanship."
Spot on.

Seems many are ignoring that the Democrats can't really stand on their legislative and political / policy agenda, and it's detrimental effects on America and Americans, so the Democrats have little choice other than to make sure that 1/6 and Trump are kept in the spotlight to detract from exactly that.
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Interesting projection. We just finished four years of GOP rule and the only legislative action we have to show for it is tax-cuts for the rich and corporations. There was no infrastructure week, or infrastructure plan, that was promised many times. There was no repeal and replace Obamacare with something better, cheaper, with more coverage, etc., etc. The only attempt would have thrown 30 million Americans off of health coverage. We had hundreds of bills that would have improved the lives of Americans passed by the House that died of neglect in the GOP controlled Senate.

Meanwhile, Democrats have been in control for five months and have succeeded in turning a failed Covid vaccination effort into one that vaccinated 3/4 of the country. They've also drafted and infrastructure bill that would bring the U.S. into modern times.

What we did have was a president who lost the election and instigated his loyal cult members to attempt an insurrection; kill the VP, Senators and Members of Congress, to keep him in power. Faced with that, Republicans have no interest in investigating what went on -- which is every bit of a threat to American democracy as 9/11 was. Why, we wonder? Because they are afraid of letting the facts come to light -- how many Republican officials cooperated and aided the insurrectionists and essentially waged war on their own country.

 

[ouch]

Whether or not there's a commission - I doubt a anyone truly cares. It's just political showmanship.

Oh, I'm sure there's more than you might think that cares. Security measures improved at our Capitol mean a lot to some folks. As in law abiding citizens.

There's not much to learn. It's already national news every time the media finds out that some random nobody is charged with misdemeanor trespassing. This is just about politicians wanting free tv/ad time.

Truth is more important than what meets the weak minded. An investigation, probe or commission pulls back the cover for the world to view, learn and then correct where needed in real time. Once in awhile, actual justice slips in and does its thing. That's the best part - good ole justice making bad, sometimes dangerous, actors pay the price.

Democrats are already worried about midterms, and they should be.

I agree that they should be worried. Lies have become a big deal that now counts in large ways with ignorant voters.

 

[smallvoice]

I understand that your are under the brainwashing of right-wing propaganda that tells you that Biden is coasting on the success of Trump's Covid plan. The reality, of course, is that Trump had no plan. That's why he refused to let Biden's transition team meet with Trump's Covid "experts." There was no Trump vaccine distribution plan. Biden in a very short time got 3/4 of the nation vaccinated.

On infrastructure, you are vague, merely yelling 'it is a disaster!' Nothing to back up your statement. Same for taxes.
The reality is that there is so much decade-long neglect in infrastructure that Biden's plan can't avoid being a success. Oh, how is Trump's Infrastructure Week going?
On taxes, Biden plans to raise taxes on the rich and corporations, to levels that were previously very helpful to the economy. Americans agree.

Based on your post, you don't understand squat.

If Ol' Joe wanted to do something about the infrastructure he wouldn't have spent so much of the funding on"progressive" ideas that have NOTHING to do with infrastructure.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Your objection appears misplaced. I don't believe that you're being blamed for the attempted insurrection and assault on the US Capitol of the United States. Unless you were there partaking in that assault. If so, yeah - you're a traitor in my eyes and, in part, your fault. However, there's a call for your (and others) correct recognition of said assault and why it happened. Then, as a patriotic citizen of the United States, your (and others) demand for justice, your (and others) demand for a 1/6 commission and your (and others) support to agree that your Republican Party Supporters breaks from the previous culprit in chief and the Trump Party idiots. That would be a start to your acceptance here and most likely our society in general.

Rep Kinzinger is spot on for where all of this exactly stands. Work at having his perspective.

Except that is false. I said what was happened was wrong and had to quote it to one poster that decided he would be the gatekeepers on anything related to 1/6 and get the condemnation he personally wanted regarding the out of control mob. Not to politicians but to every day posters on this site and he did it over and over, 6 or 7 times. Just utter baiting stupidity.

The 1/6 commission is political theatre for the Democrats to keep it in the public eye and to beat Republicans over the head with the issue.

And as I read the 2nd part of your post, you are claiming what we need to do to have societal acceptance. **** that noise. You are demanding we either take responsibility or be rejected from society? Who the **** do you think you are to speak of society as a whole?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Kinzinger...Cheney-Lite.

Dismissed.

All the thought which was necessary for you, yes?

Amazingly efficient.

 

[MTAtech]

Based on your post, you don't understand squat.

If Ol' Joe wanted to do something about the infrastructure he wouldn't have spent so much of the funding on"progressive" ideas that have NOTHING to do with infrastructure.

How much, exactly, are these “progressive ideas?”

 

[smallvoice]

Too much for the good it does, unless you are a "progressive". Here you go:

• Involves a nearly $2.3 trillion, 8-year investment paid for with increased corporate taxes over 15 years. Read that as increased taxes on all Americans.
• Is expected to create millions of prevailing-wage jobs.Read that as expected without any idea where they would come from, unless he plans to make them Federal jobs.
• Invests $1.3 trillion on a combination of community and transportation infrastructure spending to build, repair, and upgrade highways; provide affordable housing; build new schools; and more. Why are the Feds building new schools?
• Allocates $580 billion for research and development, workforce development, and manufacturing. Not a bit of which is "infrastructure".
• Includes $400 billion to support home- and community-based care for the elderly and disabled. Not a bit of which is "infrastructure".

It's nothing more than paying off the left.

 

[MauiMan]

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• Rep. Adam Kinzinger said that the GOP has to honestly confront what happened on Jan. 6.
• Kinzinger said that blocking a commission won't stop the Capitol riot from being an issue in 2022.
• Kevin McCarthy has "failed to tell the truth" to the GOP and American voters, he said.

Ever seen a chicken with its head cut off? Trump is the chicken’s head, and the GOP is the chicken’s body running around not knowing that it is dead.

 

[Chomsky]

However, historically, the midterms have a loss to what ever party has control of the white house, and the Republican state legislators are in charge of redrawing districts due to the census.

Yes, exactly. I was responding to the poster who rationalized Biden would lose seats due to his policies, when the reality is the losses will be due to the forces you & I propose.

 

[Hypothetical]

And this would be a strawman argument.

yet we hear stuff like that all the time. its BS propaganda is what it is.

they are really hoping this commission wil save their ass in 2022. people might be stupid enough that it does, but I think the outcomes of these idiot policies wil weigh heavier by then.

 

[reflechissez]

Whether or not there's a commission - I doubt a anyone truly cares. It's just political showmanship.


There's not much to learn. It's already national news every time the media finds out that some random nobody is charged with misdemeanor trespassing. This is just about politicians wanting free tv/ad time. Democrats are already worried about midterms, and they should be.

What are you basing this on? Do they care less about the insurrection than they did about Hillary's emails (which you people thought was very important)?

 

[j-mac]

For acknowledging reality? The bar to garner praise for Republicans these days is extremely low.

Worry about D’S in 22.

 

[MTAtech]

Too much for the good it does, unless you are a "progressive". Here you go:

• Involves a nearly $2.3 trillion, 8-year investment paid for with increased corporate taxes over 15 years. Read that as increased taxes on all Americans.
• Is expected to create millions of prevailing-wage jobs.Read that as expected without any idea where they would come from, unless he plans to make them Federal jobs.
• Invests $1.3 trillion on a combination of community and transportation infrastructure spending to build, repair, and upgrade highways; provide affordable housing; build new schools; and more. Why are the Feds building new schools?
• Allocates $580 billion for research and development, workforce development, and manufacturing. Not a bit of which is "infrastructure".
• Includes $400 billion to support home- and community-based care for the elderly and disabled. Not a bit of which is "infrastructure".

It's nothing more than paying off the left.

The 2017 tax cuts on corporations made many promises. None were realized. There is no economic reason not to raise them back.

When the government spends money, it issues contracts to the private sector. It’s easy to see where those jobs will come from.

The feds will be providing money to states to build and upgrade schools. Providing money to build schools is no different than providing money to build a highway. Human infrastructure is infrastructure.

Research and development, workforce development, and manufacturing are all investments in human infrastructure.

Caring for the elderly, which we all hope to be one day, is an investment in our country.

 

[eohrnberger]

These are all great points the Commission should address.

Agreed.

However...

I think it's going to be impossible to talk about Jan 6th and the actions of the insurrectionists without also talking about the Big Lie and the role Trump and Republicans played in spreading the Big Lie.

I disagree, but I also know this is exactly what the Democrats are going to turn this commission into, hence my calling it political kabuki theater, political advantage, as always with everything possible, reguardless of if is in the best interests of the nation or the electorate, party, and only party, and single party rule, is what matters to them.

And that's why they want to stop talking about it. Talking about the Big Lie would reveal the Big Lie as a lie, and expose Republicans, and also prevent Republicans from being able to push voter suppression laws on the basis of the same Big Lie.

It's far better for Republicans to pretend they don't know why the Jan 6th insurrectionists were motivated to storm Congress and violently overturn the election because they can use the same lies to try and recapture the House in 2022.

Meh. This is future, so hypothetical, at least at this point.

We've discussed before, and we also disagree, specific to the term 'insurrectionist' and 'insurrectionists' being applied to the 1/6 riot.

 

[eohrnberger]

Interesting projection. We just finished four years of GOP rule and the only legislative action we have to show for it is tax-cuts for the rich and corporations. There was no infrastructure week, or infrastructure plan, that was promised many times. There was no repeal and replace Obamacare with something better, cheaper, with more coverage, etc., etc. The only attempt would have thrown 30 million Americans off of health coverage. We had hundreds of bills that would have improved the lives of Americans passed by the House that died of neglect in the GOP controlled Senate.

'died of neglect in the GOP controlled Senate.'?

Democrats used filibuster 327 times, compared to only once by GOP in 2020: Report

President Joe Biden has been increasingly critical of the Senate filibuster, calling it a Jim Crow relic and saying it has been widely abused despite

www.washingtonexaminer.com

More like Obstructed by Senate Democrats.

Your information on the tax cuts is incorrect. The middle class received the greatest tax relief, and also, for the first time in decades, saw increasing income.

Meanwhile, Democrats have been in control for five months and have succeeded in turning a failed Covid vaccination effort into one that vaccinated 3/4 of the country. They've also drafted and infrastructure bill that would bring the U.S. into modern times.

Don't make me laugh. How is reasonable and rational to call a bill an 'Infrastructure bill' when it only spends 9% on actual infrastructure, and the rest on non infrastructure, pet projects, politically agenda driven spending, and political favors to designated Democrat supporting groups?

What we did have was a president who lost the election and instigated his loyal cult members to attempt an insurrection; kill the VP, Senators and Members of Congress, to keep him in power. Faced with that, Republicans have no interest in investigating what went on -- which is every bit of a threat to American democracy as 9/11 was. Why, we wonder? Because they are afraid of letting the facts come to light -- how many Republican officials cooperated and aided the insurrectionists and essentially waged war on their own country.

I disagree that it was an 'insurrection'.

A charge of sedition - meaning incitement of a rebellion - has not been brought against any of the more than 400 people arrested to date. The most serious charges have been assault, conspiracy and obstruction of Congress or law enforcement.

Amid setbacks, prosecutors abandon some claims in U.S. Capitol riot cases

Prosecutors made some serious claims after the deadly U.S. Capitol attack, saying they had evidence rioters planned to kill elected officials, suggesting a Virginia man at the building received directives to gas lawmakers, and accusing another suspect of directing mayhem...

www.reuters.com

specifically:
"A charge of sedition - meaning incitement of a rebellion - has not been brought against any of the more than 400 people arrested to date. The most serious charges have been assault, conspiracy and obstruction of Congress or law enforcement."

If it were so clear cut an insurrection, then there should be sedition charges filed, and yet there are none.

 

[MTAtech]

'died of neglect in the GOP controlled Senate.'?

Democrats used filibuster 327 times, compared to only once by GOP in 2020: Report

President Joe Biden has been increasingly critical of the Senate filibuster, calling it a Jim Crow relic and saying it has been widely abused despite

www.washingtonexaminer.com

More like Obstructed by Senate Democrats.

You information on the tax cuts is incorrect.

Don't make me laugh. How is reasonable and rational to call a bill an 'Infrastructure bill' when it only spends 9% on actual infrastructure, and the rest on non infrastructure, pet projects, politically agenda driven spending, and political favors to designated Democrat supporting groups?

I disagree that it was an 'insurrection'.

A charge of sedition - meaning incitement of a rebellion - has not been brought against any of the more than 400 people arrested to date. The most serious charges have been assault, conspiracy and obstruction of Congress or law enforcement.

Amid setbacks, prosecutors abandon some claims in U.S. Capitol riot cases

Prosecutors made some serious claims after the deadly U.S. Capitol attack, saying they had evidence rioters planned to kill elected officials, suggesting a Virginia man at the building received directives to gas lawmakers, and accusing another suspect of directing mayhem...

www.reuters.com

specifically:
"A charge of sedition - meaning incitement of a rebellion - has not been brought against any of the more than 400 people arrested to date. The most serious charges have been assault, conspiracy and obstruction of Congress or law enforcement."

If it were so clear cut an insurrection, then there should be sedition charges filed, and yet there are none.

McConnell refusing to allow bills to even get to the floor doesn’t tally in filibuster stats.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Agreed.

I disagree, but I also know this is exactly what the Democrats are going to turn this commission into, hence my calling it political kabuki theater, political advantage, as always with everything possible, reguardless of if is in the best interests of the nation or the electorate, party, and only party, and single party rule, is what matters to them.

But why is it not in the interests of the Republic -- as a whole -- to investigate Jan 6th?

Even if the commission would be a net negative for the Republican Party, isn't it still in the best interests of the Republic for the Republican Party to undergo the scrutiny?

Meh. This is future, so hypothetical, at least at this point.

We've discussed before, and we also disagree, specific to the term 'insurrectionist' and 'insurrectionists' being applied to the 1/6 riot.

I don't think it matters what words we use so long as we agree on a common term and a common definition related to that term.

I think we can both agree about the basic facts of what happened on Jan 6th, right?

Do you believe what happened on Jan 6th was bad for the Republic?

If you believe what happened on Jan 6th was bad for the Republic do you believe it should not be repeated?

If you believe it should not be repeated, wouldn't you also agree we should investigate how and why it happened so as to prevent future occurrences?

 

[tres borrachos]

McConnell refusing to allow bills to even get to the floor doesn’t tally in filibuster stats.

I'm old enough to remember when McConnell admitted that he had almost 400 bills passed by the House that he was sitting on.

https://www.newsweek.com/mitch-mcconnell-grim-reaper-395-house-bills-senate-wont-pass-1487401

Seems the citizens of Trump Fan Nation are not old enough to remember that.

 

[bomberfox]

still waiting for the left to admit ownership of a rigged election.

Too bad, it wasnt rigged.

 

[tres borrachos]

still waiting for the left to admit ownership of a rigged election.

What rigged election?

 

[ouch]

The 1/6 commission is political theatre for the Democrats to keep it in the public eye and to beat Republicans over the head with the issue.

For starters right out of the gate, anyone who rejects a 1/6 commission does so because they want the assault on our Capitol by their kind to go away in the news. Lets forget about it attitude. Yeah, forget about it so that something else can be planned and executed without further preparations in place to prevent it.

News flash: ANYTHING that our government and political supporters does that stands out from the norm, will first get recycled in the news for a little while - and if it's exceptionally shocking, then that event will hang quite a long while in our news. It usually creates anniversary revisits, and, or even makes it into our history books and other historical means. Hate to disappoint, but the 1/6 assault on our Capitol will be around forever.

And as I read the 2nd part of your post, you are claiming what we need to do to have societal acceptance. **** that noise. You are demanding we either take responsibility or be rejected from society? Who the **** do you think you are to speak of society as a whole?

It takes one, or some, to understand the will of the people (in a society as in our case). I've been around long enough to know that when people of a society are being extremely lied to, suppressed and controlled - lets just say they notice. When they sense that a threat of a dictatorship is looming - lets say that they notice. Within both of those two statements, there's those (lets call them supporters) who go along with such an agenda. Yes, people take notice and it didn't take me using a bullhorn shouting it out. If they are intelligent, the will of the people figure it out amongst themselves. You know, that will of the people just took place in November of 2020. That's because they recognized the dangerous direction coming from a wannabe dictator and his supporters - however still pushing forward with their agendas. 1/6 became the preview with what's in their next plans - a larger dangerous direction. States under election control assault as we type. People notice. If my prediction holds true and by the will of the people, such assaults shall be rejected.

 

[eohrnberger]

McConnell refusing to allow bills to even get to the floor doesn’t tally in filibuster stats.

Odd that you have differing standards depending on political party.

Rep. Lynn Jenkins blames Harry Reid for 'do-nothing Senate'

Members of Congress recently decamped to their home districts for the August recess, but the never-ending partisan skirm

www.politifact.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/08/04/harry-reids-reign-of-paralysis/

From my view, the House passes a flood of legislation, most of which are pretty terrible public policy ideas, and the Senate weeds them out and whittles them down, one way or another, filibuster or in the Senate Majority Leader's desk.