Religious Freedom?: Part Dos.

[chad1389]

wrong again, per law and policies no its not different if it was done at work

also note it was YOU that said he has the right to distribute it, you were 100% factually wrong

The context of the word you wish to imply it being used in is wrong. He did not stand at a doorway passing it out. He gave it those who asked for it.

 

[chad1389]

Not if the employer has a problem with it. And there in lies the rub. I think you get the point.

He is the boss. He knew. The mayor knew he had published the book. The mayor had a copy of it a year in his possession before firing him.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)doesn't matter how negative it was.
2.) They are his beliefs.
3.) His own employees could have gotten a copy of it off of Amazon had they wished.
4.) He just gave it to them at work, as they asked.
5.) The cities claim is that they fired him because he did not get permission to sell the book
6.) but he does point out that the mayor had possession of book a year before a complaint was made and action was only taken against him after the complaint.

1.) by law it factually does
2.) and he is free to have his beliefs, he was not fired for beliefs
3.) he wasnt fired for them getting it from amazon
4.) which is a huge no no as anybody with common sense knows and its what got him fired and rightfully so
5.) you also leave out the policy violation
6.) yes usually action does come after complaints, this is very normal

bottom line he was not fired over his beliefs and nor was his freedom of speech or religious freedom infringed on
if you have one fact proving otherwise simply present no please, thanks

 

[AGENT J]

The context of the word you wish to imply it being used in is wrong. He did not stand at a doorway passing it out. He gave it those who asked for it.

I didnt use it you did LMAO
you said he has the right to distribute it at work that is not true no matter the context
this fact will not change, your claim is factually wrong

 

[RabidAlpaca]

He is the boss. He knew. The mayor knew he had published the book. The mayor had a copy of it a year in his possession before firing him.

EXACTLY! You finally get it! Nobody had a problem with the actual content! They had a problem with him distributing it at work. The mayor even admitted he's a strong man of faith, but distributing hate literature in a leadership position undermines the integrity of the team. If he had given it to people outside of work there would be ZERO issue.

It's kind of like how when I was in the Army I wasn't allowed to use my uniform to further my political or religious motives.

 

[chad1389]

EXACTLY! You finally get it! Nobody had a problem with the actual content! They had a problem with him distributing it at work. The mayor even admitted he's a strong man of faith, but distributing hate literature in a leadership position undermines the integrity of the team. If he had given it to people outside of work there would be ZERO issue.

It's kind of like how when I was in the Army I wasn't allowed to use my uniform to further my political or religious motives.

The only one who had a problem with it was the one who did not get a copy.

 

[chad1389]

I didnt use it you did LMAO
you said he has the right to distribute it at work that is not true no matter the context
this fact will not change, your claim is factually wrong

In a different context. He has every right to give the book to whomever he wishes if they ask for a copy. There is no law against writing a book and handing it to those who want a copy.

 

[chad1389]

1.) by law it factually does
2.) and he is free to have his beliefs, he was not fired for beliefs
3.) he wasnt fired for them getting it from amazon
4.) which is a huge no no as anybody with common sense knows and its what got him fired and rightfully so
5.) you also leave out the policy violation
6.) yes usually action does come after complaints, this is very normal

bottom line he was not fired over his beliefs and nor was his freedom of speech or religious freedom infringed on
if you have one fact proving otherwise simply present no please, thanks

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/13/opinion/god-gays-and-the-atlanta-fire-department.html?_r=0

"It should not matter that the investigation found no evidence that Mr. Cochran had mistreated gays or lesbians. His position as a high-level public servant makes his remarks especially problematic, and requires that he be held to a different standard."

In other words, his standards (his beliefs) were not up to par with what the city believes his position requires.

 

[AGENT J]

In a different context. He has every right to give the book to whomever he wishes if they ask for a copy. There is no law against writing a book and handing it to those who want a copy.

again, at work, no he doesnt, no matter the context. no matter how many times you repeat that fallacy it will not be true and this fact will not change.

 

[chad1389]

again, at work, no he doesnt, no matter the context. no matter how many times you repeat that fallacy it will not be true and this fact will not change.

I'd like to see someone stop me from giving someone a book, no matter where I'm employed. That is not against the law. I can give any book, even one I wrote, to anyone who asks me.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)"It should not matter that the investigation found no evidence that Mr. Cochran had mistreated gays or lesbians. His position as a high-level public servant makes his remarks especially problematic, and requires that he be held to a different standard."
2.)In other words, his standards (his beliefs) were not up to par with what the city believes his position requires.

1.) correct it doesnt matter if theres no evidence "mistreating gays and lesbians" he wasnt fired for mistreatment of gays and lesbians lol
2.) wrong again, those are you made up opinions and nothing more, he was not fired for his beliefs, he was fired for giving the book out at work and because of a complaint.

so again, bottom line he was not fired over his beliefs nor was his freedom of speech or religious freedom infringed on
if you have one fact proving otherwise simply present in your next post . . ONE FACT that proves otherwise . . . thanks

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I'd like to see someone stop me from giving someone a book, no matter where I'm employed. That is not against the law. I can give any book, even one I wrote, to anyone who asks me.

Assuming you're actually employed, why don't you give it a try? Give away some hate literature at work and then whine about freedom when your ass is terminated.

Can you give one single court case where it was ruled that the government must protect employees who distribute hate literature? Being a bigot is just like being black or gay, right? What about the employer's religious beliefs that bigots shouldn't be employed there? Why are you trying to restrict their religious freedom?

 

[AGENT J]

I'd like to see someone stop me from giving someone a book, no matter where I'm employed. That is not against the law. I can give any book, even one I wrote, to anyone who asks me.

and you can be legally fired for doing so :shrug:
you not liking it, and having tough guy feelings but it doesn't change the fact you can be fired for it
fact remains you have ZERO right to do so at work, zip, notta, none. Work and laws makes the rules in that case

i have to ask again are you of working age and do you live in america because you seem to not know anything about this subject?

 

[chad1389]

and you can be legally fired for doing so :shrug:
you not liking it, and having tough guy feelings but it doesn't change the fact you can be fired for it
fact remaisn you have ZERO right to do so at work, zip, notta, none. Work and laws makes the rules in that case

Show me the law that states I will get fired for handing someone a copy of a book at work.

 

[chad1389]

Assuming you're actually employed, why don't you give it a try? Give away some hate literature at work and then whine about freedom when your ass is terminated.

Can you give one single court case where it was ruled that the government must protect employees who distribute hate literature? Being a bigot is just like being black or gay, right?

He gave it those who asked. What are you not getting about that? You can't complain when you asked for it. the one who did complain DID NOT GET A COPY.

 

[AGENT J]

Show me the law that states I will get fired for handing someone a copy of a book at work.

who said theres a law saying you WILL get fired, please quote me saying that . . . oh thats right i never did LOL please dont make stuff up it only makes your posts fail even harder
I said that action CAN get you LEGALLY fired and thats 100% true :shrug:
fact remains yuo have no right to do so, if you disagree state the right lol, this will be awesome, State the right for us all to see it. opcorn2:

 

[AGENT J]

Assuming you're actually employed, why don't you give it a try? Give away some hate literature at work and then whine about freedom when your ass is terminated.

Can you give one single court case where it was ruled that the government must protect employees who distribute hate literature? Being a bigot is just like being black or gay, right? What about the employer's religious beliefs that bigots shouldn't be employed there? Why are you trying to restrict their religious freedom?

I would love to see this! lol

 

[chad1389]

who said theres a law saying you WILL get fired, please quote me saying that . . . oh thats right i never did LOL please dont make stuff up it only makes your posts fail even harder
I said that action CAN get you LEGALLY fired and thats 100% true :shrug:
fact remains yuo have no right to do so, if you disagree state the right lol, this will be awesome, State the right for us all to see it. opcorn2:

"again, at work, no he doesnt, no matter the context. no matter how many times you repeat that fallacy it will not be true and this fact will not change." -you

Again, show me the law.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Show me the law that states I will get fired for handing someone a copy of a book at work.

It's not a law, it's an employer policy. Have you never had a job before? Companies have their own policies about how they run things. If you want to keep your job you have to follow their policies. If it's their policy that you must wash your hands after you pee and you don't, you can get fired and it has nothing to do with the law. Even if not washing your hands is part of your religious beliefs.

He gave it those who asked. What are you not getting about that? You can't complain when you asked for it. the one who did complain DID NOT GET A COPY.

Distributing hate literature, even to people who asked for it, was against company policy. You've refused again to provide a source showing that the government must protect all of your actions from your employer.

I would love to see this! lol

He thinks employers can't make any rules that aren't also laws. I'd put money on him never having an actual job before.

McDonalds: "We'd love to make it company policy that all employees must wash their hands before preparing food, but that's not a law so they can do whatever they want and we're powerless."

 

[AGENT J]

"again, at work, no he doesnt, no matter the context. no matter how many times you repeat that fallacy it will not be true and this fact will not change." -you

Again, show me the law.

weird i don't see you quoting me saying the lie you posted or quoting this made up right you claim exists? thats what i thought
let us know when you can
facts win again

 

[chad1389]

It's not a law, it's an employer policy. Have you never had a job before? Companies have their own policies about how they run things. If you want to keep your job you have to follow their policies. If it's their policy that you must wash your hands after you pee and you don't, you can get fired and it has nothing to do with the law. Even if not washing your hands is part of your religious beliefs.



Distributing hate literature, even to people who asked for it, was against company policy. You've refused again to provide a source showing that the government must protect all of your actions from your employer.

There was no policy, and is no policy, against giving a book to someone who asks for one. He was fired for his belief.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/13/opinion/god-gays-and-the-atlanta-fire-department.html?_r=0

"It should not matter that the investigation found no evidence that Mr. Cochran had mistreated gays or lesbians. His position as a high-level public servant makes his remarks especially problematic, and requires that he be held to a different standard."

Again, no evidence. Just the fact that the they believe is beliefs are not on par with what makes a public official. he was fired for his belief.

 

[chad1389]

weird i don't see you quoting me saying the lie you posted or quoting this made up right you claim exists? thats what i thought
let us know when you can
facts win again

free speech is a right. It is the law. Again, show me the law where it states one could be fired for giving a book to someone who asks for it.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)He thinks employers can't make any rules that aren't also laws.
2.) I'd put money on him never having an actual job before.
3.)McDonalds: "We'd love to make it company policy that all employees must wash their hands before preparing food, but that's not a law so they can do whatever they want and we're powerless."

1.) that seems to be the case and that thought is wrong
2.) my guess is he is young like 16 and foreign, like england or something. thats really the only way such a lack of knowledge on this subject can be explained.
3.) "Id like to see somebody make me wash my hands" lol

 

[AGENT J]

1.) He was fired for his belief.
2.)It should not matter that the investigation found no evidence that Mr. Cochran had mistreated gays or lesbians. His position as a high-level public servant makes his remarks especially problematic, and requires that he be held to a different standard."
3.)Again, no evidence. Just the fact that the they believe is beliefs are not on par with what makes a public official. he was fired for his belief.

1.) you keep reposting this lie but cant support it
2.) theres nothign here that changing the fact your claim is wrong
3.) wrong again its the fact that he gave out a book full of hate, bigotry and discrimination messages at work

so again I will ask you can you present ONE single fact that shows he was fired simply based on his beliefs? one, thanks

 

[chad1389]

1.) you keep reposting this lie but cant support it
2.) theres nothign here that changing the fact your claim is wrong
3.) wrong again its the fact that he gave out a book full of hate, bigotry and discrimination messages at work

so again I will ask you can you present ONE single fact that shows he was fired simply based on his beliefs? one, thanks

As I have already showed you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/13/opinion/god-gays-and-the-atlanta-fire-department.html?_r=0
"It should not matter that the investigation found no evidence that Mr. Cochran had mistreated gays or lesbians. His position as a high-level public servant makes his remarks especially problematic, and requires that he be held to a different standard."

His beliefs are not up to par with the cities standard. You're welcome, for the second time.