Release of Hostages

[Tigerace117]

"Enemy of my enemy"

Iraq was unequivocally worse than Iran, so Reagan’s decision to support yet another genocidal tyrant remained idiotic, especially as Iraq proceeded to invade yet another country within five years of the total failure of their American backed adventure in Iran.

 

[Fledermaus]

Iraq was unequivocally worse than Iran, so Reagan’s decision to support yet another genocidal tyrant remained idiotic, especially as Iraq proceeded to invade yet another country within five years of the total failure of their American backed adventure in Iran.

Both Iraq and Iran were totalitarian entities.

And it was Iran that kidnapped our embassy people. And held them how long?

So, one totalitarian entity fights tooth and nail with another totalitarian entity thereby weakening both.

Iraq invading Kuwait was dealt with rather convincingly.

 

[Tigerace117]

Both Iraq and Iran were totalitarian entities.

And it was Iran that kidnapped our embassy people. And held them how long?

So, one totalitarian entity fights tooth and nail with another totalitarian entity thereby weakening both.

Iraq invading Kuwait was dealt with rather convincingly.

And the U.S. happily supported the exponentially worse, outright genocidal one.

Gee, sounds like America shouldn’t have used its embassies as hubs of espionage, therefore turning them into targets.

As the old saying goes: “why is there no coups in America?”

“Because there’s no American embassy there.”

And given the U.S. toppled Iran’s democracy and installed a brutal dictatorship in the first place, the idea that America was at all a victim is comical.

Meanwhile numerous coalition personnel died as a result of that supposedly “convincing” war.

 

[Fledermaus]

And the U.S. happily supported the exponentially worse, outright genocidal one.

Gee, sounds like America shouldn’t have used its embassies as hubs of espionage, therefore turning them into targets.

As the old saying goes: “why is there no coups in America?”

“Because there’s no American embassy there.”

And given the U.S. toppled Iran’s democracy and installed a brutal dictatorship in the first place, the idea that America was at all a victim is comical.

Meanwhile numerous coalition personnel died as a result of that supposedly “convincing” war.

Happily? According to whom?

See..... That is the problem with hyperbole and making shit up.

You can't be taken seriously.

We supported the enemy of our enemy.

As to genocide. The Anfal campaign happened during the Iran-Iraq war and the extent was not known until later. We didn't support the genocide.

And the Gulf War was pretty damn convincing to the Iraqis who were both figuratively and literally slaughtered in the field of battle.

 

[Tigerace117]

Happily? According to whom?

See..... That is the problem with hyperbole and making shit up.

You can't be taken seriously.

We supported the enemy of our enemy.

As to genocide. The Anfal campaign happened during the Iran-Iraq war and the extent was not known until later. We didn't support the genocide.

And the Gulf War was pretty damn convincing to the Iraqis who were both figuratively and literally slaughtered in the field of battle.

Coming from the guy who thinks mindless, blind denial can change the facts that’s ****ing hysterical.

The U.S. proudly helped a genocidal tyrant, providing him with vast amounts of aid and support.

The U.S. lied and tried to blame Iran for the genocide; another action you’ve attempted to excuse.

And no, the U.S. knew full well the extent of Saddam’s mass murder campaign, as I already proved in a previous thread.

Nobody takes the blithering of someone who endlessly falls all over himself to defend and excuse the worst atrocities the U.S. commits seriously.

The fact that Saddam continues resisting the U.S. up until America lied its way into another invasion of Iraq proves he wasn’t deterred in the slightest.

 

[Fledermaus]

Coming from the guy who thinks mindless, blind denial can change the facts that’s ****ing hysterical.

The U.S. proudly helped a genocidal tyrant, providing him with vast amounts of aid and support.

The U.S. lied and tried to blame Iran for the genocide; another action you’ve attempted to excuse.

And no, the U.S. knew full well the extent of Saddam’s mass murder campaign, as I already proved in a previous thread.

Nobody takes the blithering of someone who endlessly falls all over himself to defend and excuse the worst atrocities the U.S. commits seriously.

The fact that Saddam continues resisting the U.S. up until America lied its way into another invasion of Iraq proves he wasn’t deterred in the slightest.

Proudly? According to whom?

And, the coalition kicked Iraq's ass rather convincingly. A fact that you appear incapable of understanding.

As to Saddam resisting... Yep. He resisted up to the point the US invaded and curb stomped the Iraqi army and air force a second time. That doesn't change the fact his army and air force were curb stomped the first time.

 

[Tigerace117]

Proudly? According to whom?

And, the coalition kicked Iraq's ass rather convincingly. A fact that you appear incapable of understanding.

As to Saddam resisting... Yep. He resisted up to the point the US invaded and curb stomped the Iraqi army and air force a second time. That doesn't change the fact his army and air force were curb stomped the first time.

Gee, the fact that Iraq continued to actively resist, again, rather than comply with the coalition shows that to be a falsehood.

According to the fact the U.S. lied to the globe for Saddam despite being well aware of the truth, as already proven.

And then American personnel continuing dying….for decades….in an endless and unwinnable war as the Iraqis continued shooting at them whenever possible and demanding America get the **** out of their country.

 

[Fledermaus]

Gee, the fact that Iraq continued to actively resist, again, rather than comply with the coalition shows that to be a falsehood.

According to the fact the U.S. lied to the globe for Saddam despite being well aware of the truth, as already proven.

And then American personnel continuing dying….for decades….in an endless and unwinnable war as the Iraqis continued shooting at them whenever possible and demanding America get the **** out of their country.

Your failure to appreciate the level to which we curb stomped the Iraqi Army in Gulf war I and II appears to be a you problem as the rest of the world saw a smoking hole where Saddam's army used to be.

Hate makes you make stupid claims.

 

[Tigerace117]

Your failure to appreciate the level to which we curb stomped the Iraqi Army in Gulf war I and II appears to be a you problem as the rest of the world saw a smoking hole where Saddam's army used to be.

Hate makes you make stupid claims.

The fact that the U.S. continued bombing Iraq on multiple occasions in between 1991 and 2003 shows that Saddam was clearly not deterred in any way by the U.S.

The world saw America lie its way into a bloody, unwinnable quagmire, and then fail miserably, actually, destabilizing the entire region in the process.

Coming from the guy who thinks historical facts can be handwaved away by blubbering “no no no” the sniveling about “hate” remains meaningless.

 

[tosca1]

But sadly..........................I think, only around 60 hostages are alive.
Imagine the condition (healthwise - physically and mentally) they're in at this point.


I do hope it happens soon.

 

[tosca1]

The U.S. military was actively helping the Iraqis during that war.

That was then.

Things changed!
So, no point really bringing that up.


Japan was your enemy not too long ago.
So was Germany!

You were with the Russians during WW2.
And just watched an old movie "Escape from Sobibor," Ukraine was with Hitler! So, there.

Ukrainian collaboration with Nazi Germany​

Ukrainian collaboration with Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

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[tosca1]

Coming from the guy who thinks mindless, blind denial can change the facts that’s ****ing hysterical.

The U.S. proudly helped a genocidal tyrant, providing him with vast amounts of aid and support.

The U.S. lied and tried to blame Iran for the genocide; another action you’ve attempted to excuse.

And no, the U.S. knew full well the extent of Saddam’s mass murder campaign, as I already proved in a previous thread.

Nobody takes the blithering of someone who endlessly falls all over himself to defend and excuse the worst atrocities the U.S. commits seriously.

The fact that Saddam continues resisting the U.S. up until America lied its way into another invasion of Iraq proves he wasn’t deterred in the slightest.

The elimination of Jews during the Holocaust in Ukraine started within a few days of the beginning of the Nazi occupation.
The Ukrainian Auxiliary Police, which formed mid August 1941,[15] assisted by Einsatzgruppen C, and Police battalions rounded up Jews and undesirables for the Babi Yar massacre,[16]
as well as other later massacres in cities and towns of modern-day Ukraine, such as Kolky,[17][18] Stepan,[19][20] Lviv, Lutsk, and Zhytomyr.[21]

Ukrainian collaboration with Nazi Germany took place during the occupation of Poland and the Ukrainian SSR, USSR, by Nazi Germany during the Second World War.[1]

Some who worked with or for the Nazis against the Allied forces[2][3] Ukrainian nationalists hoped that enthusiastic collaboration would enable them to re-establish an independent state.
Many were involved in a series of war crimes and crimes against humanity, including the Holocaust in Ukraine, and the massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia.[4]

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Biden is giving Nazi-Collaborator Ukraine anything and everything he can lay his hands on!

 

[oneworld2]

It might happen before the inaugural.

What hostages?

Do you mean the Israeli hostages and the POWs being hed in Gaza only or do you include the thousands of Palestinian ones being tortured, beaten and/or bummed with metal bars in Israeli torture centres?

 

[oneworld2]

Funny he said he would end wars not start them.

He lies like others breath, who knew?

 

[oneworld2]

So, you good with leaving the hostages there?

There are two sets of hostages, my guess is you are only ever concerned about one set of them

 

[oneworld2]

So are you actually comparing the former Iraqi Army to that of the United States Military?

Don't you ever get tired of running around thumping your chest about American military power?

 

[Queen Margo]

There are two sets of hostages, my guess is you are only ever concerned about one set of them

seems guessing is all the Trump haters got.

 

[Fledermaus]

What hostages?

Do you mean the Israeli hostages and the POWs being hed in Gaza only or do you include the thousands of Palestinian ones being tortured, beaten and/or bummed with metal bars in Israeli torture centres?

The hostages held by Hamas thereby extending the horrors faced by the Palestinians in Gaza.

 

[Fledermaus]

The fact that the U.S. continued bombing Iraq on multiple occasions in between 1991 and 2003 shows that Saddam was clearly not deterred in any way by the U.S.

No. It doesn't.

The world saw America lie its way into a bloody, unwinnable quagmire, and then fail miserably, actually, destabilizing the entire region in the process.

And the Iraqi Army? Saddam still in power? Last time I checked there is a new independent government. A government that asked the we leave and we left (but asked us to return some time later to help with ISIS) .

Coming from the guy who thinks historical facts can be handwaved away by blubbering “no no no” the sniveling about “hate” remains meaningless.

Blubbering and sniveling.... That is why people don't take you seriously.

 

[Tigerace117]

No. It doesn't.



And the Iraqi Army? Saddam still in power? Last time I checked there is a new independent government. A government that asked the we leave and we left (but asked us to return some time later to help with ISIS) .



Blubbering and sniveling.... That is why people don't take you seriously.

Yes, it does. If Saddam was deterred he wouldn’t have continued to confront the US.

A new independent country which is far closer than Iran than the US and which has repeatedly told America to GTFO.

Hmm. Sounds like you should stop engaging in those actions if you don’t want people pointing it out.

 

[Fledermaus]

Yes, it does. If Saddam was deterred he wouldn’t have continued to confront the US.

Please share the offensive actions taken by the Iraqi military after the first ass kicking.

A new independent country which is far closer than Iran than the US and which has repeatedly told America to GTFO.

In other words a free and independent nation. Free to chose who they associate with and who they trade with.

Hmm. Sounds like you should stop engaging in those actions if you don’t want people pointing it out.

Prattle.

 

[oneworld2]

seems guessing is all the Trump haters got.

Then you will be able to cite all the posts you have made showing your concern for the fate of the thousands of Palestinian hostages held for years or more recently, correct?

Let's see what you come back with

 

[Fledermaus]

Then you will be able to cite all the posts you have made showing your concern for the fate of the thousands of Palestinian hostages held for years or more recently, correct?

Let's see what you come back with

BUTWHATABOUTISRAEL.....

 

[Tigerace117]

Please share the offensive actions taken by the Iraqi military after the first ass kicking.



In other words a free and independent nation. Free to chose who they associate with and who they trade with.



Prattle.

Are you trying to claim Operation Desert Fox and other such missions were based on nothing but lies? That would be in character for America, yes.

Hmm. Except you are on record as trying to claim a nation which didn’t have any of those choices at all was “not a colony”, so which one is it?

Because by your own “standard” Iraq having the option to demand America leave(that America ignored, of course, because the US is blatantly imperialistic on every level) is meaningless.

Your claims always are, yes.

 

[countryboy]

Will that be before or after we invaded Greenland and Panama?

Before.