Red states threaten librarians with prison — as blue states work to protect them

[OlNate]

As much as we love drama, we hate common sense even more so sorry but it's either we burn every book or hand out playboy to kindergarteners.

 

[bongsaway]

The obvious weakness I this argument is that there is no evidence that libraries are indoctrinating anyone. And still, prison time? Seriously?

It's kind of an ironic statement since laws protecting librarians from litigation were created "to ensure schools, museums and libraries could offer accurate information about topics such as sex education."

Clearly, accuracy is not the right-wing goal here.

Haven't you seen the train loads of kids being dropped off at libraries around the country and librarians using cattle prods forcing them into the library to read about homosexual sluttiness?

 

[OlNate]

If you give gay porn to kids, you should go to prison.

If you give any porn to a child you should go to prison because it's already against the law.

Just some people get a little stupid in their personal definition of what constitutes porn.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

yes, it does and its not banned - its simply not going to be allowed in libraries - right ? your side don't to slip it in behind people's backs anymore

Actually, it is in some places.

yes, that's exactly what you're doing, and my side isn't going to tolerate the intolerance and bigotry from your side anymore

This is baseless right-wing drivel.

Your side is the one being intolerant. Keep your religion out of the schools and keep your hate of anything not white, Christian, and Republican to yourself.

you want it based on what YOU want - lol

No, it's based on what is available. Your approval is not required and your attempts to censor will not be tolerated.

Schools need to be off-limits to the right-wing. Keep your BS off school grounds and away from children.

not any more, sorry



so you're ok with these books being pushed to your kids, right ?

The Sin of Homosexuality Paperback – January 8, 2016​

Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters​

Being White: Finding Our Place in a Multiethnic World​

Why It's OK to Own a Gun​

Never even heard of these books. The first of one is inappropriate based on obvious religious bigotry.

books like that you want your kids reading, right ?

The right-wing hate of some of these books is just incredible.

LGBTAQ needs to leave kids alone IMO

Those people haven't done anything to children. Stop listening to religious zealots.

 

[j brown's body]

so you don't know any of these books or what they've said ? gotcha

I don't know of any children who have been harmed by them.

But it isn't really about what's best for kids. It's about protecting the parent's dominion over them.

 

[OlNate]

so you don't know any of these books or what they've said ? gotcha

This was a missed opportunity to sound reasonable. Since you're the one with the complaint, why not put forward the suggestion?

Or is it that you don't know either, and you're simply bitching to the tune of the headlines and talking points?

 

[hecatmoggie]

Actually, it is in some places.

This is baseless right-wing drivel.

Your side is the one being intolerant. Keep your religion out of the schools and keep your hate of anything not white, Christian, and Republican to yourself.

No, it's based on what is available. Your approval is not required and your attempts to censor will not be tolerated.

Schools need to be off-limits to the right-wing. Keep your BS off school grounds and away from children.


Never even heard of these books. The first of one is inappropriate based on obvious religious bigotry.



The right-wing hate of some of these books is just incredible.


Those people haven't done anything to children. Stop listening to religious zealots.

can you see the irony ? the intolerant post filled with hate and meanness calling someone else intolerant

I mean .... its humorous in a way, isn't it ?

 

[roguenuke]

the most intolerant, hateful, bigoted, discriminatory people are liberals today

100% fact- look how I'm being piled on here on this topic. Are ya'll being supportive of my feelings and views? Tolerant? Accepting ?

looks pretty hateful and mean ............ doesn't it ?

Maybe a little reading.

Paradox of tolerance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Or viewing:



The idea is to figure out where the line is.

 

[hecatmoggie]

I don't know of any children who have been harmed by them.

But it isn't really about what's best for kids. It's about protecting the parent's dominion over them.

its exposing kids to more and more stuff intended to open their minds, plants seeds and recruit

isn't it ? I mean LGBTQ people wants everyone on their side don't they? Get books to small kids, expose them, plant the seeds and in the future everyone will be totally 100% fine with all LGBTQ right ?

isn't that the goal ?

 

[HenryChinaski]

its exposing kids to more and more stuff intended to open their minds, plants seeds and recruit

isn't it ? I mean LGBTQ people wants everyone on their side don't they? Get books to small kids, expose them, plant the seeds and in the future everyone will be totally 100% fine with all LGBTQ right ?

isn't that the goal ?

No.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

can you see the irony ? the intolerant post filled with hate and meanness calling someone else intolerant

I mean .... its humorous in a way, isn't it ?

Your side accuses this side of being intolerant while attacking people who live different lifestyles.

When this is pointed out your side calls it mean. Why is that?

Why can't your side just leave those people alone?

Why can't your side stay away from schools and education?

Why can't your side see how Nazi like your book bans are?

Why can't your side leave libraries alone?

 

[OlNate]

its exposing kids to more and more stuff intended to open their minds, plants seeds and recruit

isn't it ? I mean LGBTQ people wants everyone on their side don't they? Get books to small kids, expose them, plant the seeds and in the future everyone will be totally 100% fine with all LGBTQ right ?

isn't that the goal ?

I think that's a pretty weird way of looking at the effort to ensure more tolerance and less bigots in the future generations, but good on ya for demonstrating the need to do so.

 

[hecatmoggie]

This was a missed opportunity to sound reasonable. Since you're the one with the complaint, why not put forward the suggestion?

Or is it that you don't know either, and you're simply bitching to the tune of the headlines and talking points?

I'm guessing you could list off the books banned from school libraries (not banned in general, everyone can amazon them if they want) and we could nitpick them and not want them for our kids to read

I listed books above and none of ya'll would want your kids to read them would ya ?


How about this - let local/city/state people decide, its their kids, not yours and not mine. Liberals wants to push LGBTQ on young kids to normalize and condition .......... that's very much what it appears and my side is saying no, you're no doing that anymore in school libraries

sorry

 

[ColdHardTruth]

its exposing kids to more and more stuff intended to open their minds, plants seeds and recruit

This is just right-wing idiocy. Nobody is recruiting anybody. The whole point is to teach tolerance. This is the opposite of what the right-wing does. It's the opposite of what right-wing religious bigots do.

isn't it ? I mean LGBTQ people wants everyone on their side don't they? Get books to small kids, expose them, plant the seeds and in the future everyone will be totally 100% fine with all LGBTQ right ?

isn't that the goal ?

Tolerance has to be taught to prevent bigotry.

Leave them alone and keep your bigotry out of libraries, schools, colleges, and other venues.

The right-wing has always been in the minority because of this behavior. This is the reason the right must be kept in a permanent minority and out of government as often as practicable.

If the have no way to spread their bigotry, they are not as big of a threat.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Your side accuses this side of being intolerant while attacking people who live different lifestyles.

I said I don't want libraries in school teaching sex and religion and political agenda - all of it

When this is pointed out your side calls it mean. Why is that?

Why can't your side just leave those people alone?

"those people"

I guess "those people" and "these people" too can buy whatever books they want. Don't put them in school libraries where parents don't want their kids being exposed to them

Why can't your side stay away from schools and education?

why can't LGBTQ stay away ?

Why can't your side see how Nazi like your book bans are?

Why can't your side leave libraries alone?

no book bans - buy all of them you want

they're not going to be tolerated in school libraries to condition and plant seeds and normalize anymore though

 

[OlNate]

I'm guessing you could list off the books banned from school libraries (not banned in general, everyone can amazon them if they want) and we could nitpick them and not want them for our kids to read

I listed books above and none of ya'll would want your kids to read them would ya ?


How about this - let local/city/state people decide, its their kids, not yours and not mine. Liberals wants to push LGBTQ on young kids to normalize and condition .......... that's very much what it appears and my side is saying no, you're no doing that anymore in school libraries

sorry

I provided a solution to do just this - like, actually do this, vs. removing books from libraries, which effectively does to more open minded parents what you're complaining is happening to close minded parents.

Establish an age rating system for books and deny anyone trying to check out a book that isnt age appropriate, unless parental permission is provided.

That work for you?

 

[hecatmoggie]

This is just right-wing idiocy. Nobody is recruiting anybody. The whole point is to teach tolerance. This is the opposite of what the right-wing does. It's the opposite of what right-wing religious bigots do.

of course you'd say that but I'm betting you don't want tolerance and acceptance taught if its not exactly what you believe in

am I right ?

Tolerance has to be taught to prevent bigotry.

so tolerate pro-life, pro-gun, pro-Trump, pro-Christian, pro-LGBTQ are choices .... you're ok with teaching tolerating that right?

Leave them alone and keep your bigotry out of libraries, schools, colleges, and other venues.

but you want all those books in school libraries so kids can read all about LGBTQ things and learn and have the exposure and seeds planted right ?

 

[ColdHardTruth]

I said I don't want libraries in school teaching sex and religion and political agenda - all of it

They do not. That is a misconception created by racist idiots like Moms for Liberty.

"those people"

I guess "those people" and "these people" too can buy whatever books they want. Don't put them in school libraries where parents don't want their kids being exposed to them

Books are going to go into libraries whether the reich-wing likes it or not. Your side will not be censoring libraries.

why can't LGBTQ stay away ?

Why can't your side stay away from them?

Those people have as much right to exist as you do. Books about his are not going to be censored because your side believes the mindless bullshit being peddled by Faux.

no book bans - buy all of them you want

Some of these books are appropriate for high school kids and should be left in the libraries. Backwards right-wing views on the world are not going to influence libraries.

they're not going to be tolerated in school libraries to condition and plant seeds and normalize anymore though

Keep your hate and bigotry to yourself.

Tolerance is going to be taught whether your side likes it or not. Stop interfering and stay away from the schools.

 

[NuffSaid]

what's wrong with reading that book out loud in front of everyone ?

answer - its nasty and disgusting and not fit for people to hear

Not fit for people to hear?
All people? Some?
I wouldn't be offended. Of course, I don't have thin skin and am not a snowflake.
I would think people would be free to leave if they find it offensive, but I guess its easier to throw a shitfit and complain.

 

[coyote505]

A first-grader should be reading Penthouse Forum?

Stocking a public library has always been an exercise in enlightened good sense, between some citizens' desire for a porno palace, and others desire for a Churchy Peoples' Reading Room. It's hard enough for the librarian without inserting extremist enacted criminal law into the picture.

 

[OlNate]

of course you'd say that but I'm betting you don't want tolerance and acceptance taught if its not exactly what you believe in

am I right ?



so tolerate pro-life, pro-gun, pro-Trump, pro-Christian, pro-LGBTQ are choices .... you're ok with teaching tolerating that right?




but you want all those books in school libraries so kids can read all about LGBTQ things and learn and have the exposure and seeds planted right ?

So, a question for you...

At what age did it become impossible for a book to turn you gay?

 

[hecatmoggie]

I provided a solution to do just this - like, actually do this, vs. removing books from libraries, which effectively does to more open minded parents what you're complaining is happening to close minded parents.

Establish an age rating system for books and deny anyone trying to check out a book that isnt age appropriate, unless parental permission is provided.

That work for you?

maybe so yes

and do it for ALL the books ..... I'm not asking for special treatment, I'm saying no religious books, no political ones, nothing controversial, no conditioning of kids to sway them into believing one thing or another that's controversial etc

 

[ColdHardTruth]

of course you'd say that but I'm betting you don't want tolerance and acceptance taught if its not exactly what you believe in

am I right ?

Nope.

I keep an open mind. I do not deny people the right to access books about things I disagree with.

Leave the books alone and stay away from schools and libraries.

so tolerate pro-life, pro-gun, pro-Trump, pro-Christian, pro-LGBTQ are choices .... you're ok with teaching tolerating that right?

People are entitled to believe what they want. Pro-Trump is pro-treason. I do not agree with it, but I do not censor it.

Leave the books and let people choose. Teaching hate in schools is not appropriate, but your side would have no problem with crap like The Turner Diaries in schools, which is nothing more than neo-Nazi rhetoric, but your side doesn't seem to have an issue with it.

Yet, if a book that is title "Gay is Okay" gets on the shelf, your side has a fit. This is utter hypocrisy.

but you want all those books in school libraries so kids can read all about LGBTQ things and learn and have the exposure and seeds planted right ?

Not about planting seeds. That is right-wing drivel spewed by Faux and various racist, right-wing zealots who want to control people through fear of damnation.

 

[hecatmoggie]

So, a question for you...

At what age did it become impossible for a book to turn you gay?

why are ya'll so hell bent on making sure young influential minds read gay stuff ?

because that sounds very very much like recruiting/conditioning

 

[NuffSaid]

I first saw Playboy when I found copies of the magazine in the woods. How they got there, I have no idea. But the smell of mildew on them did not deter my interest. It was like finding buried treasure.. I must have been in 4th or 5th grade.

I took them home. My mother found them and told me it was OK because it was natural and healthy for boys to be interested in such things.

Somehow, I survived.

That sounds about my first experience with Playboy. Me and my friends found it in the woods. I was probably in 4th grade.
As with you, I turned out just fine.