Record volume for O-Care exchanges

[humbolt]

That "lack of power" was not always so and looking back at those times gives you solace?

Who's Responsible For The Debt? - The Daily Dish - The Atlantic

Nice chart. No, the lack of political power refers to the manner in which the ACA was passed. If you don't like that fact, perhaps your side of the aisle should've been a little more inclusive. As it stands, the ACA is completely yours, and if you're going to own it when it smells good, you're going to own it when it smells bad. It's smelling pretty bad in the minds of most Americans, and it's all yours.

 

[Cassandra]

I'm quite rational, but not a gentleman.

Well, to be absolutely accurate, I might have mistook you for 3 drunk guys!

I still think the ACA will not be in a position to be judged for another 2 years, at least.

I agree -which is why I don't really care about the numbers at this point as long as they suffice to make the law function as intended and build on success over time. I am personally very pleased with the insurance and the price- but that , of course, is just anecdotal evidence.

 

[tres borrachos]

Well, to be absolutely accurate, I might have mistook you for 3 drunk guys!



I agree -which is why I don't really care about the numbers at this point as long as they suffice to make the law function as intended and build on success over time. I am personally very pleased with the insurance and the price- but that , of course, is just anecdotal evidence.

Tres Borrachos is a race horse and yes, his name means "three drunks" and his breeders were 3 guys who supposedly named him after themselves, so I understand.

By the way, is that your Basset in your avatar? I was raised with Bassets and have had them all my life.

 

[iguanaman]

Nice chart. No, the lack of political power refers to the manner in which the ACA was passed. If you don't like that fact, perhaps your side of the aisle should've been a little more inclusive. As it stands, the ACA is completely yours, and if you're going to own it when it smells good, you're going to own it when it smells bad. It's smelling pretty bad in the minds of most Americans, and it's all yours.

I am beginning to wonder if a party that decides that denying the President re-election is above all other duties can survive...or should survive. That behavior is not only unseemly but decided undemocratic in nature. Perhaps the GOP does not believe in democracy?
All major social programs like the ACA faced similar hurdles and the Democrats are doing just fine just the same. Some party has to deal with the nations problems and not start wars or housing bubbles to distract us from their lack of action. That party is the Democrats.

 

[humbolt]

I am beginning to wonder if a party that decides that denying the President re-election is above all other duties can survive...or should survive. That behavior is not only unseemly but decided undemocratic in nature. Perhaps the GOP does not believe in democracy?

I don't speak for the GOP, nor do I wish to. They can speak for themselves. I don't support a party that endorses lying as policy, and while that includes both parties to some extent, the current administration has made it an art form upon which they've based policies of societal change. If that is something you can live with, then perhaps your definition of democracy needs a little work. Many regretted their votes for Nixon. Don't think for a minute that won't happen again.

 

[Linc]

I don't speak for the GOP, nor do I wish to. They can speak for themselves. I don't support a party that endorses lying as policy, and while that includes both parties to some extent, the current administration has made it an art form upon which they've based policies of societal change.

About what year do you think it was that a large segment of our population like you started blaming both parties?
As if you have nothing to do with the way things are?
That you never voted for any of these critters.
I own my past votes .

 

[Linc]

Well, to be absolutely accurate, I might have mistook you for 3 drunk guys!
I agree -which is why I don't really care about the numbers at this point as long as they suffice to make the law function as intended and build on success over time. I am personally very pleased with the insurance and the price- but that , of course, is just anecdotal evidence.

How is ACA working in Maine?
Has LePage taken the Medicaid Extension yet?
My Dad's side of the family is from the Lewiston/Auburn area.
Been coming out since 1977 .

 

[iguanaman]

I don't speak for the GOP, nor do I wish to. They can speak for themselves. I don't support a party that endorses lying as policy, and while that includes both parties to some extent, the current administration has made it an art form upon which they've based policies of societal change. If that is something you can live with, then perhaps your definition of democracy needs a little work. Many regretted their votes for Nixon. Don't think for a minute that won't happen again.

I defy you to find an administration that has not lied. But I do not think Obama lied about the ACA by the way. The law was written to allow grandfathering if the insurers wanted it and that was what Obama was saying. The fact that insurers still decided to cancel policies was not the Presidents fault. His statement was correct for a large majority of Americans and 9 .5 million more people are now insured because of the ACA. That is not a lie.

 

[Perotista]

About what year do you think it was that a large segment of our population like you started blaming both parties?
As if you have nothing to do with the way things are?
That you never voted for any of these critters.
I own my past votes .

Howdy Linc, perhaps he is learning from me. I think I began back in 1992. I do not trust either one, by the way back in 1992 independents made up 32% of the electorate vs. 45% today. I think this rise and blaming of both major parties has to do with dissatisfaction with both. While the total electorate have a favorable view of the Republican Party of 33% favorable 61% unfavorable, the Democratic Party is at 43% favorable, 53% unfavorable. Independents and independents alone view the Republican Party 31% favorable to 60% unfavorable and indies view the democratic party 30% favorable, 61% unfavorable.

When 3/5th's of independents look at both parties with disgust, blaming both is the next thing in line.

 

[Linc]

First of all, thank Goodness baseball is back.

When 3/5th's of independents look at both parties with disgust, blaming both is the next thing in line.

Tell me this Pero.
Why should P. Ryan bother putting out a budget when both the TEAs and DEMs are going to trash it?
Remember the "mini" budget Ryan put out in December, cutting your Pension COLA a bit?
Neo-Cons in both parties and Veteran's groups went ape-****, as Dad would say.
This is the same fix Unions are fighting in Illinois, against their own DEM governor.

I want to see the GOP replacement to ACA.
But why should they?
It will just get all shot up before the election.
With Ryan, I say better the devil I know.
He takes over for Chair Camp of Ways and Means in 2015, who retires due to his chair being term-limited.
Camp put out that Tax Reform Bill that his fellow GOP McConnell promptly shot down.
Enough for now, but I've got some good ones on Reid also .

 

[Perotista]

First of all, thank Goodness baseball is back.

Tell me this Pero.
Why should P. Ryan bother putting out a budget when both the TEAs and DEMs are going to trash it?
Remember the "mini" budget Ryan put out in December, cutting your Pension COLA a bit?
Neo-Cons in both parties and Veteran's groups went ape-****, as Dad would say.
This is the same fix Unions are fighting in Illinois, against their own DEM governor.

I want to see the GOP replacement to ACA.
But why should they?
It will just get all shot up before the election.
With Ryan, I say better the devil I know.
He takes over for Chair Camp of Ways and Means in 2015, who retires due to his chair being term-limited.
Camp put out that Tax Reform Bill that his fellow GOP McConnell promptly shot down.
Enough for now, but I've got some good ones on Reid also .

I don't know, I thought Ryan was your guy. What a lot of these guys do, both sides of the aisle makes no sense to me. I am along just for the ride.

 

[Linc]

I don't know, I thought Ryan was your guy.
What a lot of these guys do, both sides of the aisle makes no sense to me. I am along just for the ride.

Ryan's getting battered by Dems on this budget and I'm a DEm.
My point is Dems can't bitch about GOPs not putting out proposals if all they're gonna do is use them as campaign fodder.
You know, like the GOPs have done to ACA.
Dems are fighting back with some good ads right now.

And how about that SCOTUS ruling today?
Dems need to deal with it instead of whine about it.
Just my view.
Add Braley to your watch list .

 

[Perotista]

Ryan's getting battered by Dems on this budget and I'm a DEm.
My point is Dems can't bitch about GOPs not putting out proposals if all they're gonna do is use them as campaign fodder.
You know, like the GOPs have done to ACA.
Dems are fighting back with some good ads right now.

And how about that SCOTUS ruling today?
Dems need to deal with it instead of whine about it.
Just my view.
Add Braley to your watch list .

I have added Braley and Iowa will be on my 1 May list. In a way the SCOTUS ruling is a good thing. It lets the parties gain a little more control over what ads are run. Now both parties will not have to rely on pacs not officially affiliated with them to run commercials in their favor. Plus the way I understand this, the names will be released. I will need to gather more info for a more in-depth sense. But I think I like it as it gives more control to the parties and less to outside organizations. Although if I had my way, this big money would be eliminated.

 

[humbolt]

About what year do you think it was that a large segment of our population like you started blaming both parties?
As if you have nothing to do with the way things are?
That you never voted for any of these critters.
I own my past votes .

Neither party is guilt free, and neither party has ever been. I own all of my votes, but I don't obsess over that for which I have no control. I simply make a judgement before the fact, and another over time after the fact of the election. I don't have that problem, and haven't, with the current regime. It has been easy to make a judgement before the election, and have it confirmed afterward.

 

[humbolt]

I defy you to find an administration that has not lied. But I do not think Obama lied about the ACA by the way. The law was written to allow grandfathering if the insurers wanted it and that was what Obama was saying. The fact that insurers still decided to cancel policies was not the Presidents fault. His statement was correct for a large majority of Americans and 9 .5 million more people are now insured because of the ACA. That is not a lie.

All humans lie. That's an easy one anybody can claim is true. The numbers game is ongoing.

 

[polgara]

All humans lie. That's an easy one anybody can claim is true. The numbers game is ongoing.

It jumped from 7 million to 9.5 million in only 24 hours! Who said there aren't miracles? That means there are only 300 million left to go, minus the 90 million we have already been told won't be insured, of course! Piece of cake! :mrgreen:

Good morning, humbolt. :2wave:

 

[humbolt]

It jumped from 7 million to 9.5 million in only 24 hours! Who said there aren't miracles? That means there are only 300 million left to go, minus the 90 million we have already been told won't be insured, of course! Piece of cake! :mrgreen:

Good morning, humbolt. :2wave:

Good morning, Pol. Yeah, I don't know where the numbers come from. They have a mind of their own. Why can't we just say everybody's insured, declare complete and resounding success, and move on? We just print money. Why can't we just print insurance policies?

 

[Ockham]

Good morning, Pol. Yeah, I don't know where the numbers come from. They have a mind of their own. Why can't we just say everybody's insured, declare complete and resounding success, and move on? We just print money. Why can't we just print insurance policies?

You know, that's a really good point. I guess for them to do that, the government would need to take over the insurance business and retire the private insurance sector. In that way, the government can simply turn up the speed on the money printing machine, continue QE, continue borrowing money to prop up the printing press, and cover everyone. The private sector wouldn't be able to work... so the unintended consequences of that would be the quality of care would drop, the doctors pay would look more like Cuba's where doctors get paid a menial salary, hospitals would need to be either subsidized or be part of the government take over (Government Hospitals) and the amount of R&D as well as time in line for standard care would be long. I think we have this story in other countries such as the UK, Cuba and others already.

Would that be an acceptable model to you?

 

[tres borrachos]

Good morning, Pol. Yeah, I don't know where the numbers come from. They have a mind of their own. Why can't we just say everybody's insured, declare complete and resounding success, and move on? We just print money. Why can't we just print insurance policies?

They are getting this new 9.5 million number from an LA Times article. I saw it in another thread. And laughed.

 

[humbolt]

You know, that's a really good point. I guess for them to do that, the government would need to take over the insurance business and retire the private insurance sector. In that way, the government can simply turn up the speed on the money printing machine, continue QE, continue borrowing money to prop up the printing press, and cover everyone. The private sector wouldn't be able to work... so the unintended consequences of that would be the quality of care would drop, the doctors pay would look more like Cuba's where doctors get paid a menial salary, hospitals would need to be either subsidized or be part of the government take over (Government Hospitals) and the amount of R&D as well as time in line for standard care would be long. I think we have this story in other countries such as the UK, Cuba and others already.

Would that be an acceptable model to you?

I offered that tongue in cheek. It's completely unacceptable. I do think, however, rather than the administration and the left playing this shell game whereby they destroy the private health care market incrementally in order to deflect criticism, they should just be honest and declare their intentions openly. The reason they don't is because they're lying **** suckers and they know the public won't support it if they openly declared it.

 

[humbolt]

They are getting this new 9.5 million number from an LA Times article. I saw it in another thread. And laughed.

We should just round it up to 10 or 20 million. All these decimal points and fractions and stuff just clog my brain.

 

[Ockham]

I offered that tongue in cheek. It's completely unacceptable. I do think, however, rather than the administration and the left playing this shell game whereby they destroy the private health care market incrementally in order to deflect criticism, they should just be honest and declare their intentions openly. The reason they don't is because they're lying **** suckers and they know the public won't support it if they openly declared it.

I know I wasn't taking it too seriously either - but the consequences and the supporters of a single payer system which is government controlled is a nightmare reality... much more frightening than World War Z which I just watched.

 

[humbolt]

I know I wasn't taking it too seriously either - but the consequences and the supporters of a single payer system which is government controlled is a nightmare reality... much more frightening than World War Z which I just watched.

Heh. Ya know, if we didn't already have ample evidence of the failure of such programs, I would understand the possible attraction. Simple wishful thinking on such a scale usually leads to a nightmare in reality. It's like the wistful, "Can't we all just get along?". Of course, the answer is, "No. No matter how many share your view, there will always be someone somewhere who's intention is precisely the opposite."

 

[Cassandra]

Tres Borrachos is a race horse and yes, his name means "three drunks" and his breeders were 3 guys who supposedly named him after themselves, so I understand.

By the way, is that your Basset in your avatar? I was raised with Bassets and have had them all my life.

Actually, I am smitten with quarter horses and dobermans. This lovely hound belongs to a neighbor.

 

[tres borrachos]

Actually, I am smitten with quarter horses and dobermans. This lovely hound belongs to a neighbor.

He/she is a beauty. Love the fatty fatty feet. I'm also a big fan of the Dobies, and don't have much experience with QHs but I love all horses dearly.