Reality check....COVID-19 not as deadly as they are trying to make us believe

[hermit]

This is a short video that explains how the numbers of infections by covid-19 have been way under reported. Thousands more people contacted the virus, had some mild symptoms or none at all, and developed antibodies to it, than has been reported. This lowers the mortality rate by a lot.

He also gives a bunch of links you can check out for more information. (Some I couldn't get to but there are lots of links offered.) Click on the "show more" tab for those extra links.

This information confirms information that I have read from countless other alternative sites. I don't see mainstream media reporting this stuff. All they do is talk about DEATH to scare the sh*t out of us.

 

[ecofarm]

Thanks, Putin.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Our reality differs from his! An American died from Coronavirus every 47 seconds all last week. Thank goodness it's not more deadly!

 

[HumblePi]

This is a short video that explains how the numbers of infections by covid-19 have been way under reported. Thousands more people contacted the virus, had some mild symptoms or none at all, and developed antibodies to it, than has been reported. This lowers the mortality rate by a lot.

He also gives a bunch of links you can check out for more information. (Some I couldn't get to but there are lots of links offered.) Click on the "show more" tab for those extra links.

This information confirms information that I have read from countless other alternative sites. I don't see mainstream media reporting this stuff. All they do is talk about DEATH to scare the sh*t out of us.

Why on earth would you consider information coming from Dr. Eric Berg to have any credibility over world renowned scientists and infectious disease specialists?

Do you know why mainstream media isn't reporting this? It's because his analysis has no significance. Do you people actually search through videos and articles from off-the main stream in order to find something -- anything that will destroy the credibility of experienced doctors like Dr. Fauci, Dr. David Ho and others?

Are you aware that there is a study called 'Coronavirus Project' that is being engineered by the Federation of Scientists?

About FAS – Federation Of American Scientists

'The Federation of American Scientists (FAS) provides science-based analysis of and solutions to protect against catastrophic threats to national and international security. Specifically, FAS works to reduce the spread and number of nuclear weapons, prevent nuclear and radiological terrorism, promote high standards for nuclear energy’s safety and security, illuminate government secrecy practices, as well as prevent the use of biological and chemical weapons.'

Let's just see who this Dr. Eric Berg who has prepared this nice video for your consumption, really is. To begin with, Dr. Berg is not a scientist, he's not a virologist or an epidemiologist. Dr. Eric Berg was educated as a Chiropractor. Over the years he has educated himself in the fields of food therapy, acupressure, “alternative techniques”, endocrinology, autonomic nervous system physiology, Chinese medicine, nutrition, and exercise physiology. He has a multitude of videos on many different health subjects. From what I’ve read about him, the cure for just about everything that ails you is a healthy low-carb or keto diet with intermittent fasting.

Maybe now you'll understand why the mainstream media hasn't reported 'his stuff'.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Hermit is wrong.

It is deadlier than even what its enemies are saying.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

If more than 330,000 Americans die from covid-19 this year
will these threads go away?

That's the flu's 0.1% mortality rate times every American.

Shirley, if covid-19 kills 330,001 Americans
THEN it'll be time to take it seriously

right?

 

[hermit]

Our reality differs from his! An American died from Coronavirus every 47 seconds all last week. Thank goodness it's not more deadly!

You don't know how many died of corona virus because death certificates are being tampered with and distorted. You are buying into the mainstream media hype.

 

[hermit]

Why on earth would you consider information coming from Dr. Eric Berg to have any credibility over world renowned scientists and infectious disease specialists?

Do you know why mainstream media isn't reporting this? It's because his analysis has no significance. Do you people actually search through videos and articles from off-the main stream in order to find something -- anything that will destroy the credibility of experienced doctors like Dr. Fauci, Dr. David Ho and others?

Are you aware that there is a study called 'Coronavirus Project' that is being engineered by the Federation of Scientists?

About FAS – Federation Of American Scientists

'The Federation of American Scientists (FAS) provides science-based analysis of and solutions to protect against catastrophic threats to national and international security. Specifically, FAS works to reduce the spread and number of nuclear weapons, prevent nuclear and radiological terrorism, promote high standards for nuclear energy’s safety and security, illuminate government secrecy practices, as well as prevent the use of biological and chemical weapons.'

Let's just see who this Dr. Eric Berg who has prepared this nice video for your consumption, really is. To begin with, Dr. Berg is not a scientist, he's not a virologist or an epidemiologist. Dr. Eric Berg was educated as a Chiropractor. Over the years he has educated himself in the fields of food therapy, acupressure, “alternative techniques”, endocrinology, autonomic nervous system physiology, Chinese medicine, nutrition, and exercise physiology. He has a multitude of videos on many different health subjects. From what I’ve read about him, the cure for just about everything that ails you is a healthy low-carb or keto diet with intermittent fasting.

Maybe now you'll understand why the mainstream media hasn't reported 'his stuff'.

I can respect your opinion on this but I don't agree with it. Mainstream media isn't reporting this stuff because they don't do reality very well. They like sensationalism, death statistics, blood guts and gore, they like to scare the crap out of people because that's what sells. These other people who are reporting the real facts, data and statistics have everything to lose, but they are coming out with the reality of the situation anyway.

Do you really believe everything the mainstream media says? Do you know who owns them? Do you know what stake they have in keeping the wool pulled over our collective eyes? Do you know what they stand to gain from keeping us ignorant of the real facts? Those are the questions people should be asking.

 

[hermit]

If more than 330,000 Americans die from covid-19 this year
will these threads go away?

That's the flu's 0.1% mortality rate times every American.

Shirley, if covid-19 kills 330,001 Americans
THEN it'll be time to take it seriously

right?

The problem with what you are offering is that you don't know how many people are dying of the virus itself. You don't realize that doctors are being told to list corona virus as cause of death no matter what other conditions patients have that are the real causes of death, such as cancer, heart disease, and other diseases that have caused their immune systems to be put in jeopardy. You are buying into what you are being told, but it's just not the facts. It's not the reality.

You are also unwilling to look at the fact that a high percentage of people have already contacted the disease, had little to no effect from it, have developed antibodies to it, and no longer have the virus in their system. This hasn't been reported in mainstream media because it would cause the mortality rate to go way down, but they can't have that because there go the blood, guts and gore aspect of being able to scare people half to death.

 

[hermit]

Hermit is wrong.

It is deadlier than even what its enemies are saying.

If you would do some personal, independent research you would find that you are the one who is wrong here.

 

[Aberration]

If more than 330,000 Americans die from covid-19 this year
will these threads go away?

That's the flu's 0.1% mortality rate times every American.

Shirley, if covid-19 kills 330,001 Americans
THEN it'll be time to take it seriously

right?

That doesn’t even start to fix Social Security.

 

[CaughtInThe]

The current Republican Party is not pro life.

 

[Torus34]

Responding to the 'Reality check' in the topic line, here are some data.*

Currently, about 0.36% of the US population have been identified as having contracted the COVID-19 virus.

Again currently, there are 68,600 reported COVID-19 deaths. The past three week's data averages at 15,500 virus-caused deaths per week.

The data on deaths shows no significant change over the past three weekly cycles.

Regards, stay safe and remain well.

*Worldometer(r).

 

[Simon W. Moon]

The problem with what you are offering is that you don't know how many people are dying of the virus itself. You don't realize that doctors are being told to list corona virus as cause of death no matter what other conditions patients have that are the real causes of death, such as cancer, heart disease, and other diseases that have caused their immune systems to be put in jeopardy. You are buying into what you are being told, but it's just not the facts. It's not the reality.
You are also unwilling to look at the fact that a high percentage of people have already contacted the disease, had little to no effect from it, have developed antibodies to it, and no longer have the virus in their system. This hasn't been reported in mainstream media because it would cause the mortality rate to go way down, but they can't have that because there go the blood, guts and gore aspect of being able to scare people half to death.

For someone without psychic powers, too much of your argument rests on your ideas about what I think.

Let me play.
Ill tell you all about what you think even though you're some arbitrary person I have never met.

You think that epidemiologists and medical professionals are keeping data carelessly because you don't like the data they are reporting.
So, it's easier to add epidemiologists and medical professionals to the The Great Deep State Conspiracy Against Trump™ than it is to adjust your world view to accept the facts that the data presents an awful picture.

Did I get as close as you did?
Cause you missed by miles and miles.



Did you know that epidemiologists are looking at the total number of deaths from all causes and using that data in their calculations?
Did they report that in your media?
Total deaths in the country are up.
So even if there are some mistakes about causes of death, the overall death rate is still up.
:shrug:


Did you know that 60k - 80k flu deaths are calculated mostly by math rather than by test results?

Did you know that if flu deaths were counted like covid-19 deaths, there would only be 15k american flu deaths a year?

Did you know that if covid-19 deaths were calculated like flu deaths, there'd be many more of them?


Do any of these facts have any bearing on your assessment of the impact of covid-19?

 

[HumblePi]

I can respect your opinion on this but I don't agree with it. Mainstream media isn't reporting this stuff because they don't do reality very well. They like sensationalism, death statistics, blood guts and gore, they like to scare the crap out of people because that's what sells. These other people who are reporting the real facts, data and statistics have everything to lose, but they are coming out with the reality of the situation anyway.

Do you really believe everything the mainstream media says? Do you know who owns them? Do you know what stake they have in keeping the wool pulled over our collective eyes? Do you know what they stand to gain from keeping us ignorant of the real facts? Those are the questions people should be asking.

No, the mainstream media isn't reporting this stuff because 'they don't do reality well', it's because they are reality. Truthfully, it's you that's not doing reality well. The reality is that this man doesn't know what he's talking about. Unlike virologists, epidemiologists and scientists whose entire careers have been focused on the study of the etiology and treatment of emerging viruses, Dr. Berg focuses on health and nutrition. He has almost 4 million subscribers on YouTube and I would definitely consider his opinions on the keto diet or a low carb diet, but I wouldn't put any stock into any of his videos regarding his knowledge and experience with infectious diseases.

When you find a source like Dr. Eric Berg and you like what he is telling you because he's reaffirming all that you believe such as this pandemic being nothing more than 'media-hype' and scare tactics by the 'mainstream media', take a deeper look into the background, experience and qualifications of the source. You wouldn't be able to find one single credible peer reviewed publication to his name on 'Pubmed regarding his self-proclaimed field of expertise, not one. He appears to promote the naturalistic fallacy, which is a red flag for lack of scientific education and training. He selling supplements and he's selling his own books. He's profiting from fooling you about Covid-19.

Take a look at some of the many products he sells;

48 Best Dr. Berg Product Sale images in 2020 | Herbalism, Dr berg, Get healthy

If a person has a medical condition they should consult a doctor, Dr Berg isn’t one neither has he claimed to be one. If you need to lose weight, your MD ( family doctor) isn’t the right person unless they are specialized in obesity and diabetes research and you have some medical condition like leptin deficiency. So If I want to lose ten pounds or control diabetes, I would possibly buy one of his books or products. But, if I want to hear information about Covid-19 and how to avoid getting it, or how to help mitigated the spread, or where it came from or how vaccines are being developed, I'll only take the information from qualified medical professionals with specialties in infectious diseases, not from a nutrition doctor.

 

[jamesbyoung]

If you would do some personal, independent research you would find that you are the one who is wrong here.

Empirical data that has been peer reviewed shows that hermit is wrong.

 

[Thoreau72]

Hermit is wrong.

It is deadlier than even what its enemies are saying.

Now if only you and "the experts" could prove that statement....

 

[Manc Skipper]

You don't know how many died of corona virus because death certificates are being tampered with and distorted. You are buying into the mainstream media hype.

Deaths are being systematically under-counted here. Our government is patting itself on the back for avoiding the healthcare system being overwhelmed. They did it by having almost as many deaths happen outside hospitals as inside, but only counting the hospital dead WHO TESTED POSITIVE, but didn't test elsewhere.
Fifteen planes from the USA land every day at London Heathrow, and there are still no health checks or quarantine/isolation rules on anyone. (OR from anywhere else!)

 

[Eatomus]

This is a short video that explains how the numbers of infections by covid-19 have been way under reported. Thousands more people contacted the virus, had some mild symptoms or none at all, and developed antibodies to it, than has been reported. This lowers the mortality rate by a lot.

He also gives a bunch of links you can check out for more information. (Some I couldn't get to but there are lots of links offered.) Click on the "show more" tab for those extra links.

This information confirms information that I have read from countless other alternative sites. I don't see mainstream media reporting this stuff. All they do is talk about DEATH to scare the sh*t out of us.

Unless you are one of New York city's low income people of color , in which case they already have a ventilator with your name on it ,before you reach the E R, and then on to the mass grave you go .
The wealthy white liberal New York Power machine already salivating over all the new real estate they will begin upgrading to deluxe wealthy white walk ups, once they take out as many low income as they can .
A supply and demand issue more than a medical one really .

 

[Visbek]

This is a short video that explains how the numbers of infections by covid-19 have been way under reported....

It's disinformation spread by a quack. Back in the real world:

- Hospitals around the world don't get overwhelmed every spring by seasonal flu, even in the worst seasons.

- Seasonal flu, even a really bad season, doesn't cause worldwide shortages of hospital beds, ventilators, PPE, testing swabs, and so on.

- Seasonal flu has a hospitalization rate of 1%, and a mortality rate of 0.1%. COVID-19, even including the highest estimates of undetected cases, is running around 10%+ for hospitalization rate, and 0.8% for mortality rate. I.e. it's at least 8 times worse than a typical seasonal flu.

- COVID-19 has killed at least 68,000 people in the US alone -- and that's with weeks of social distancing. It's killed more people in 2 months than the seasonal flu kills in an entire year.

- COVID-19 is killing more people per week in the US than the normal leading causes of death (heart attacks and cancer).

- COVID-19 is almost certainly killing more people than reflected in the official numbers.

- We don't know if recovering from COVID-19 makes you immune, or if so for how long, or if you can still spread COVID-19 to others.

- We don't have a vaccine or treatment.

- We're letting up on social distancing without having enough testing or contact tracing in place. So unlike the seasonal flu, which peaks 10-15 weeks in, we are likely to see a resurgence of cases in a few weeks, and again in the fall and/or winter.

By the way, there are lots of problems with the current round of antibody testing. It will get better over time, but right now it is far too inaccurate to be trusted.

So no, I have no plans to listen to a chiropractor who cherry-picks studies, and who is basically advocating policies that will spread the virus faster, and get more people killed. Hard pass.

 

[ecofarm]

"The mainstream media doesn't do reality well."


4 years ago that was completely nuts, right?

 

[Gaius46]

The problem with what you are offering is that you don't know how many people are dying of the virus itself. You don't realize that doctors are being told to list corona virus as cause of death no matter what other conditions patients have that are the real causes of death, such as cancer, heart disease, and other diseases that have caused their immune systems to be put in jeopardy. You are buying into what you are being told, but it's just not the facts. It's not the reality.

You are also unwilling to look at the fact that a high percentage of people have already contacted the disease, had little to no effect from it, have developed antibodies to it, and no longer have the virus in their system. This hasn't been reported in mainstream media because it would cause the mortality rate to go way down, but they can't have that because there go the blood, guts and gore aspect of being able to scare people half to death.

I believe doctors list the most proximate cause of death. If someone with a heart condition that would otherwise not have died in the immediate future gets covid and dies it seems proper to list covid as the cause of death.

Or are you suggesting that someone with terminal cancer who dies in an auto accident not have “auto accident” listed as the cause of death?

 

[Gaius46]

No, the mainstream media isn't reporting this stuff because 'they don't do reality well', it's because they are reality. Truthfully, it's you that's not doing reality well. The reality is that this man doesn't know what he's talking about. Unlike virologists, epidemiologists and scientists whose entire careers have been focused on the study of the etiology and treatment of emerging viruses, Dr. Berg focuses on health and nutrition. He has almost 4 million subscribers on YouTube and I would definitely consider his opinions on the keto diet or a low carb diet, but I wouldn't put any stock into any of his videos regarding his knowledge and experience with infectious diseases.

When you find a source like Dr. Eric Berg and you like what he is telling you because he's reaffirming all that you believe such as this pandemic being nothing more than 'media-hype' and scare tactics by the 'mainstream media', take a deeper look into the background, experience and qualifications of the source. You wouldn't be able to find one single credible peer reviewed publication to his name on 'Pubmed regarding his self-proclaimed field of expertise, not one. He appears to promote the naturalistic fallacy, which is a red flag for lack of scientific education and training. He selling supplements and he's selling his own books. He's profiting from fooling you about Covid-19.

Take a look at some of the many products he sells;

48 Best Dr. Berg Product Sale images in 2020 | Herbalism, Dr berg, Get healthy

If a person has a medical condition they should consult a doctor, Dr Berg isn’t one neither has he claimed to be one. If you need to lose weight, your MD ( family doctor) isn’t the right person unless they are specialized in obesity and diabetes research and you have some medical condition like leptin deficiency. So If I want to lose ten pounds or control diabetes, I would possibly buy one of his books or products. But, if I want to hear information about Covid-19 and how to avoid getting it, or how to help mitigated the spread, or where it came from or how vaccines are being developed, I'll only take the information from qualified medical professionals with specialties in infectious diseases, not from a nutrition doctor.

But the truth is that the number of people who have contracted covid IS likely significantly underreported. Data from CA, my own state of NY and a study done by the Lancet all are suggestive of that.

Data from last week for LI, where I live and where we’re doing antibody testing, seems to indicate that up to 17% of the populace has the Coronavirus. The actual number of confirmed cases is more like 3.5% of the populace.

Granted there is likely some selection bias in that number but not to the tune of 5x.

All the number really tells you though is your personal risk which has little bearing on Public health policy.

 

[Visbek]

The problem with what you are offering is that you don't know how many people are dying of the virus itself.

Actually, the best counts of the impact of COVID-19 is by measuring excess deaths. We know how many deaths are normal, and it's been fairly consistent for several years (around 2.3 million Americans). Looking at that, the official numbers are likely undercounting by 15,000 deaths or more.

Comparing the first 16 weeks of 2017 through 2020, one of these things is not like the other:


Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19 | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

So yet again: This is not "just another flu."

You don't realize that doctors are being told to list corona virus as cause of death no matter what other conditions patients have that are the real causes of death....

That's also how we count deaths from the flu. That's because COVID-19 almost certainly caused the deaths in those cases.

You can live for a long time with hypertension, obesity, diabetes, a suppressed immune system due to chemo, and so on. You are at a significant risk if you have one or more of those conditions and get COVID-19.

You are also unwilling to look at the fact that a high percentage of people have already contacted the disease, had little to no effect from it, have developed antibodies to it, and no longer have the virus in their system. This hasn't been reported in mainstream media because it would cause the mortality rate to go way down....

Yes, it has. There has been lots of discussion about antibody tests and how the likely number of cases is much higher than the confirmed number, mostly due to the inadequate testing capacity.

What you are missing is that a) we already knew the vast majority of people wouldn't go to the hospital, and b) we don't know yet if having antibodies provides any protection.

By the way, using just the official numbers, the mortality rate would be around 5%. No one thinks that is accurate, nor have I seen any mainstream media outlets using that rate.

 

[Slavister]

Comparing the first 16 weeks of 2017 through 2020, one of these things is not like the other

I am curious how to generate this graph and how to read it. We know there should be at least ~68k+ extra deaths this year so far based on known CV19 deaths. How many cumulative excess deaths are they claiming? I suppose if their data is only through April 1st (i.e. 15 weeks of the year), at the time there were only around 6.3k CV19 deaths, but then why did the excess deaths start to go down?