Reagan’s Atrocities

[Dayton3]

Reagan was Governor of CA before that. He also said...
"I think, too, that we’ve got to recognize that where the preservation of a natural resource like the redwoods is concerned, that there is a common sense limit. I mean, if you’ve looked at a hundred thousand acres or so of trees — you know, a tree is a tree, how many more do you need to look at?"

and in regards to Vietnam war protestors...
"If it takes a bloodbath, then let's get it over with."

I wonder how many people that question President Biden's mental health were perfectly fine with President Reagan's?
"In it, Ron Reagan describes his growing sense of alarm over his father's mental condition, beginning as early as three years into his first term. He recalls the presidential debate with Walter Mondale on 7 October 1984. My heart sank as he floundered his way through his responses, fumbling with his notes, uncharacteristically lost for words. He looked tired and bewildered," Ron Reagan writes.

Ronald Reagan had Alzheimer's while president, says son

Son Ron Reagan's claim that Ronald Reagan had Alzheimer's while in office leads to war of words with half brother Michael

www.theguardian.com

Ron Reagan Jr. was long estranged from his father and could honestly be described as "hating" him. Why don't you mention the older son Michael Reagan's opinion of his father? He noted no such questions over Ronald Reagan's mental condition.

 

[Dayton3]

And then

To BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS.

On February 9, 1994, Senator Riegle delivered a report—commonly known as the Riegle Report—in which it was stated that "pathogenic (meaning 'disease producing'), toxigenic (meaning 'poisonous'), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce." It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."[48] The report then detailed 70 shipments (including anthrax) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."[49]

Donald Riegle, Chairman of the Senate committee that authored the aforementioned Riegle Report, said:
U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record.

You obviously don't even read your own material.

back then almost anyone foreign or domestic could (and did) request and obtain biological samples of lethal disease samples. There was nothing nefarious about it.

 

[Tigerace117]

Irrelevant. Nobody is crying. You made your assertion on the basis of time. That if they couldn't survive on their own for more than a few years, they basically deserved invasion.

Not irrelevant in the slightest. There is no equivalence between a country which received twenty years of large scale training and hundreds of millions, if not trillions, in equipment, and a nation which barely even had a military. Your desperation is, as usual, comically dishonest.

 

[Tigerace117]

You should really try researching more.

Dude, thirty thousand people came out into the streets to protest in support of Bishop and free him.

The island’s entire population was a hundred thousand people.

 

[Tigerace117]

Nobody is raving communist this and communist that, except you.

It was accurately pointed out that the short lived Coard regime was a brutal, communist regime. It's just a fact. Stop cowering from it.

Gee bud, coming from the guy who just can’t bear to face the fact the US was actively complicit in genocide you, as usual, have no room to talk.

Like the government of Grenada being "Communist".

The nation was indeed taken over by the New Jewel Movement, a Marxist group that was about as far into Marxist-Leninist as you could get. But they knew they could not hold popular support, so named Maurice Bishop as the leader of a coalition between mainstream Socialists and the Marxists. And the more hardliners did not like that he was trying hard to keep Grenada neutral, and not aligned with the Soviets. In fact, I find it interesting that Bishop himself was originally a very hard corps Communist. His youngest son was even named "Vladimir Lenin". But during his time in power, he actually became much more of a moderate, which is what the hardliners could not stand.

His popularity was obvious in the mass protests that happened all over the nation after he was deposed. The people of Grenada helped him escape captivity twice, and after the final instance he and several senior members of the government were taken and machine gunned to death. Then Bishop's throat was cut to ensure he stayed dead. And in typical Marxist behavior, his finger was cut off so his ring could be stolen.

Myself, I actually have a rather interesting view of Bishop. He was a Marxist, yes. But he also seemed to realize that his people did not want to be under a "strict Marxist" government, so tried to rule in keeping with what they wanted. The Socialists were liked in many Commonwealth nations and had a lot of support, but not so much the Marxists. So regardless of his own beliefs, he was trying to run a government that was more to what the people wanted than he himself wanted. And in the end, that was not enough for the Marxists and they had him and his highest followers killed.

Oh, and unlike one said, the government of Grenada was not "Marxist". The "Marxist Wing" was the New Jewel Movement. However, the "Government" itself was the "People's Revolutionary Government", a coalition between Marxists and Socialists. The Marxists knew they would not have popular support, and if they had tried to hold it all the "money" would have left the country. So they formed a coalition government. And in how it operated, it was much more "Socialist" than "Marxist". Until 1983, that is. That is when the split between Socialists and Marxists grew to the breaking point, and the Marxists tried to take total control.

Not unlike what we saw in the Soviet Union in 1992. And we all know how that ended also.

And I find it interesting in all the screams about Nicaragua, nothing is said about the atrocities of the Communists in other nations of Central and South America. Almost as if, it is only bad if done against Communists but perfectly fine of done by Communists.

And of course my absolute disgust whenever "Genocide" is used incorrectly. That is a horrible thing, but the declaration of almost anything being a "genocide" if they are against it has grossly watered down the horrors of what it actually is.

All that screaming and raving about how done you were yards yadda yadda….and you are continuing to blather on. Hmm…..sounds like someone’s narrative is full of shit.

So, to be clear—you are, in fact, denying that genocide was committed in Guatemala?

And gee, what communist nation in Central or South America committed genocide?

 

[Fledermaus]

Dude, thirty thousand people came out into the streets to protest in support of Bishop and free him.

The island’s entire population was a hundred thousand people.

Yes, and? We all acknowledge he was well liked.

So what?

The US didn't go in to depose him.

 

[Fledermaus]

Not irrelevant in the slightest. There is no equivalence between a country which received twenty years of large scale training and hundreds of millions, if not trillions, in equipment, and a nation which barely even had a military. Your desperation is, as usual, comically dishonest.

Spinning spinning spinning....

 

[RF667799]

Not irrelevant in the slightest. There is no equivalence between a country which received twenty years of large scale training and hundreds of millions, if not trillions, in equipment, and a nation which barely even had a military. Your desperation is, as usual, comically dishonest.

Meh.

You're obviously just looking for anything to avoid the obvious equivalence.

If it hadn't been that, it would have been that they eat more rice in Vietnam, or something.

You played out your hand- such as it was- and lost badly. You should have folded when you first contradicted yourself.

 

[Fledermaus]

Gee bud, coming from the guy who just can’t bear to face the fact the US was actively complicit in genocide you, as usual, have no room to talk.

All that screaming and raving about how done you were yards yadda yadda….and you are continuing to blather on. Hmm…..sounds like someone’s narrative is full of shit.

So, to be clear—you are, in fact, denying that genocide was committed in Guatemala?

And gee, what communist nation in Central or South America committed genocide?

When hit with a cogent and intelligent post the wild Tigerace deploys the childish stupid talk.....

 

[Tigerace117]

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Meh.

You're obviously just looking for anything to avoid the obvious equivalence.

If it hadn't been that, it would have been that they eat more rice in Vietnam, or something.

You played out your hand- such as it was- and lost badly. You should have folded when you first contradicted yourself.

There is no equivalence whatsoever.

Trying to pretend there is just shows the depth of your own desperation.

 

[Tigerace117]

More frantic, tearful attempts to avoid facing up to the atrocities Reagan committed.

As usual.

 

[RF667799]

M


There is no equivalence whatsoever.

Trying to pretend there is just shows the depth of your own desperation.

You're just denying it exists on an irrelevant basis.

 

[RF667799]

When hit with a cogent and intelligent post the wild Tigerace deploys the childish stupid talk.....

Along with a blatant, dishonest attempt to strawman the discussion.

 

[Tigerace117]

You're just denying it exists on an irrelevant basis.

The only irrelevancies are the frantic, desperate attempts you make to avoid facing the fact the genocide occurred and the US was neck deep in supporting it.

 

[Tigerace117]

More irrelevant bluster from the die hards, as usual.

 

[RF667799]

The only irrelevancies are the frantic, desperate attempts you make to avoid facing the fact the genocide occurred and the US was neck deep in supporting it.

Irrelevant. Strawman.

 

[Tigerace117]

Irrelevant. Strawman.

Only in the minds of those frantic to avoid facing the fact the US was neck deep in supporting the genocide in Guatemala.

 

[RF667799]

More irrelevant bluster from the die hards, as usual.

The irrelevance of your argument is pointed out, and your response is, "No, YOU irrelevant!"

 

[RF667799]

Only in the minds of those frantic to avoid facing the fact the US was neck deep in supporting the genocide in Guatemala.

Irrelevant. At question was the length of time two respective govts of South Vietnam and Grenada held power.

 

[Tigerace117]

The irrelevance of your argument is pointed out, and your response is, "No, YOU irrelevant!"

Nobody cares what you think is irrelevant bud. Hate to break it to you.

 

[Tigerace117]

Irrelevant. At question was the length of time two respective govts of South Vietnam and Grenada held power.

Nope, at question was how desperate you are to avoid facing the genocide. You’ll literally do ANYTHING to avoid addressing the topic and it’s hilarious.

 

[Fledermaus]

M


There is no equivalence whatsoever.

Trying to pretend there is just shows the depth of your own desperation.

Denial...

 

[Fledermaus]

More irrelevant bluster from the die hards, as usual.

More childish stupid talk ...

Tigerace standard response.

 

[Fledermaus]

More frantic, tearful attempts to avoid facing up to the atrocities Reagan committed.

As usual.

More childish stupid talk.

 

[Tigerace117]

When all you have is weeping about imaginary “childishness” instead of making an actual argument it’s sure sign you should disembark from the thread.