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Reagan’s Atrocities

Tigerace117 said:
Does it hurt knowing that no amount of excuses you throw out can change the reality of the US’ failure?
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Did the US fight the NVA in 1975?

The answer is NO.

Ergo the US did not lose in 1975.

You courageously avoided the question time after time.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Positive.

What, you actually think that Germany lost the war? Really?

OK, news flash here. And I am going to take it very slowly, as apparently this is something nobody ever bothered to teach you before.

WWI ended with an armistice. Not a surrender, a cease fire. on 11 November 1918.

However, by that time the Kaiser abdicated, and Germany was involved in a civil war of its own.

Go ahead and look up what an Armistice is. And trust me, nowhere does it say anything about surrender.

7 months later in the Treaty of Versailles, both sides of the conflict met and made that cease fire permanent. And none of the Central Powers surrendered. In fact, none of them from the start of the war really existed by the end of the war. And what remained of their governments simply agreed to stop fighting.

But please, show me where Germany "surrendered". And it is not the Treaty of Versailles. Because at the time that the Armistice was declared, Germany was still winning the war. No German territory was in Allied hands, but they still occupied a lot of French and Belgium territory. But with the fall of their government, they offered to end the war and it was accepted.

You know, kind of like what Japan was hoping they could do with WWII. But the Allies learned their lesson and refused to make that mistake a second time.
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World War ONE?

Uh.....yes. Did Germany get its planned colonies in the East?

Did Germany conquer its place in the sun?

News flash: Germany agreed to pay massive reparations, had to give up its colonies, and lost a large chunk of its core territory, including Alsace Lorraine.

That’s defeat in every definition of the word.

You not being able to comprehend that is a damning indictment of the Cold War education system.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Where exactly was the US fighting in Vietnam in 1975?
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Did the US defeat the communist insurgency?

No.

Did the US create a South Vietnamese state and military capable of defending itself?

No?

That’s failure.

No matter how much that triggers you.
 
Tigerace117 said:
World War ONE?

Uh.....yes. Did Germany get its planned colonies in the East?

Did Germany conquer its place in the sun?

News flash: Germany agreed to pay massive reparations, had to give up its colonies, and lost a large chunk of its core territory, including Alsace Lorraine.

That’s defeat in every definition of the word.

You not being able to comprehend that is a damning indictment of the Cold War education system.
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Ah, intentional ignorance writ large.

You had a chance to learn something but instead did the usual Tigerace knee-jerking.
 
No one is “butthurt”...,except you, of course, as shown by your tantrum over having to face the reality the US failed.

Courageously cowering and refusing to face reality, as usual.
 
Tigerace117 said:
News flash: Germany agreed to pay massive reparations, had to give up its colonies, and lost a large chunk of its core territory, including Alsace Lorraine.
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News flash, that has not a damned thing to do with winning or losing a war.

In the War of 1812, the English won, and still gave up territory to the US.

There is no question that Iraq lost the Gulf War. Yet, they lost no territory. Gain or loss of territory does not saw if one won or lost a war. Simple fact is, Germany was in a shambles and could not take care of themselves, let alone their colonies. They knew that.

You really don't know this history stuff very well, do you?
 
Fledermaus said:
Politics + Butt hert over being rejected from the grownups table.
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That's sure seems to be what your issue is- you think that being in the military makes people "grownups." You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time and energy trying to convince someone.
 
Oozlefinch said:
News flash, that has not a damned thing to do with winning or losing a war.

In the War of 1812, the English won, and still gave up territory to the US.

You really don't know this history stuff very well, do you?
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News flash: if tomorrow the US lost California, New York, and Texas in a war and they were annexed by Country X, would you see that as the US winning or losing a war?

And no, the English didn’t win. The War of 1812 was a clear cut draw.
 
More childish whimpering because you can’t bear facing reality, as usual.
 
Yes, your constant whining about my word choice really gives that impression ;)
 
Tigerace117 said:
News flash: if tomorrow the US lost California, New York, and Texas in a war and they were annexed by Country X, would you see that as the US winning or losing a war?

And no, the English didn’t win. The War of 1812 was a clear cut draw.
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Different war, no comparison to one in your own mind.

And yes, the US sued for peace in the War of 1812. It was not a "draw", it was a "stalemate", and only because the British were more interested in fighting Napoleon. They were literally beating the US everywhere, they had lost their Capitol, and were on the run everywhere. And the US knew to get out fast, because Napoleon was losing everywhere and if they did not end the war fast the British would have stomped on them with both feet and destroyed them.

Hell, the US went into the war with the hopes of biting off Canada and adding it to their own nation thinking the British were so busy with Napoleon they would not bother to respond. That sure as hell did not happen. They lost Washington DC. They lost every single battle during the entire war, their only victories came as the negotiations were ongoing or already concluded.

Your comprehension of history is very shallow, this is obvious.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Different war, no comparison to one in your own mind.

And yes, the US sued for peace in the War of 1812. It was not a "draw", it was a "stalemate", and only because the British were more interested in fighting Napoleon. They were literally beating the US everywhere, they had lost their Capitol, and were on the run everywhere. And the US knew to get out fast, because Napoleon was losing everywhere and if they did not end the war fast the British would have stomped on them with both feet and destroyed them.

Hell, the US went into the war with the hopes of biting off Canada and adding it to their own nation thinking the British were so busy with Napoleon they would not bother to respond. That sure as hell did not happen. They lost Washington DC. They lost every single battle during the entire war, their only victories came as the negotiations were ongoing or already concluded.

Your comprehension of history is very shallow, this is obvious.
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Gee, other than New Orleans, were they were utterly crushed, for starters.

The US literally burned Canada’s own Capitol. That was the whole point behind the Washington DC raid. And as for “destroying” America, the British Empire had neither the resources nor the ability to carry out any sort of large scale occupation of American soil at that point.

😂

Here’s a list of War of 1812 Battles. Hmmm......I certainly count an awful lot more than “zero” American wins.
 
Courageously cowering and refusing to face reality, as usual.

Unfortunately for you, no amount of sobbing can change the facts about America’s failure.
 
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