F107HyperSabr
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Nooooooo, PBO doesn't believe in American exceptionalism. He believes that everything wrong with the world is America's fault, hence the Apology Tour '09.
If and on the very rare occasions we may have been wrong then it is honorable to issue a sincere apology. You realize that any nation that can live up man up and apologize for that rare time time that the nation is wrong is a sign of "exceptionalism".
I take xception with your accusation that "believes that everything wrong with the world is America's fault,". That statement is below hyperbole it is an absolute faslehood.
Oath Keepers was formed in MARCH 2009 ! Does anyone wonder why it was formed that recently ? Does anyone wonder what they think chnaged in this country to render a "need" for people taking mass oaths ? Does anyome wonder if OATH KEEPERS is more against something rather than for something ?
Does anyone wonder if that group has more on it's mind than Keeping good oaths ?
Does anyone wonder who is realy behind this what on the surface looks like a patriotic idea ? Does anyone wonder what is there below the surface ?
Plumbo's property tax saga was well reported and documented. ASK Google man, and ye shall recieve info.
OMG of course there are Concentration camps that is where the people selected by the DEATH PANELS will be sent ....
Let us face the facts here and see that this group Oath Keepers is for the most part made up of people who are well meaning and want to do what is best for the country. Yet they are ready to swing into action to solve problems and conditions that have not and do not exist. The dangerous people are the small minority of the Oath Keepers leadership who know that the problems and conditions have not and do not exist that this group is ready to act upon but they are fanning the flames of false danger for reasons that only they know for sure and we can logicall surmise.
When did Oth keepers start? What was the event that caused the organization to form ? Just asking !!
Many people will dismiss the "Oath Takers" as harmless kooks, while others may regard them as patriotic Americans who are expressing their genuine concern for our Constitutional system. Perhaps it would be useful to examine the record of similar groups which have operated in the past.
In the early 1990s, an organization which called itself "The Cross, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord" held that the Clinton administration posed an immediate threat to the Constitutional freedoms exercised by American citizens. Like the "Oath Takers," they recruited heavily among active duty military personnel. Like the "Oath Takers" they required that new members subscribe to an "oath" to defend the Constitution and oppose, by force if necessary, any and all attempts to "infringe" upon those freedoms. Their particular "enemies" were the FBI, ATF, and the IRS, but they regarded ALL government agencies as evil instruments of illegitimate power.
For the most part, the CSA stayed underground, but on one momentous occasion a member drew national attention.
Timothy McVeigh, who had joined the CSA while still on active duty, and who had attended at least two CSA "camps" (one in Arkansas, one in eastern Oklahoma) was driven by his hatred of all things associated with government to act--and the bomb he created killed 168 innocent people at the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
It is not safe to dismiss these people as a "harmless fringe." Such people can become very dangerous--and very destructive--without warning. One of the best sources for information on groups like this is Morris Dees' Southern Poverty Law Center, who keep track of these guys and provide information about them on the SPLC website.
I think the only reason it appears that way is because the right is willing to go way further than the left is. I mean, the left does have MSNBC, but you don't see anyone on MSNBC crying into the camera and acting like a complete lunatic. They have Keith Olbermann, but I've yet to see one single show where he screams his head off at someone like O'Reilly. The right has someone like Ann Coulter who is primarily there to shock the pants off of people by making outrageous statements. The left doesn't really have anyone that is quite at the level of Ann Coulter. Many would point to Michael Moore as the left's version of Coulter. While Michael Moore does have a clear leftist agenda, he is more interested in pushing that agenda than shocking people like Ann Coulter does.
The opening article tried to make the same disgusting point as you do here. These law enforcement officers that are pledging to "lay down their arms" when given an unlawful order to use them against citizens expressing their rights under the Constitution of the United States. That you would make the comparison in stronger terms than the article would dare even tread, or rely on ANYTHING Morris Dees says or advocates, I suspect says more than I care to know about you sir.
j-mac
I have known Morris Dees for nearly forty years, and I consider him a close personal friend. I understand that he has engendered the resentment of those who would deny equal rights to all citizens and that he is the object of absolute hatred by the Ku Klux Klan, whom he has put out of business in several places. Those things don't bother me at all, because I support and pledge to defend the Constitution of the United States and to fight without cease for the ideals which it represents.
If you think that the "Oath Keepers" can accomplish those things (or even intend to) better than Morris Dees and his efforts on behalf of the rule of law and the application of justice on the behalf of all, then that says more about you than I could ever have imagined on my own.
I may be posting in this forum from time to time, and I hope that you will read what I post and reflect upon it. If I can write as effectively as I think that I can, there will be plenty of food for thought. All you need is to be willing to think.
oderint dum metuant :shrug:
The "sovereign States " are only "sovereign" within the federation.
"It's Obama's fault people do stupdi things." I thought you believed in personal responsibility.
Yes he did.
All politicians do.
Remember Bush suggesting his opponents were with the terrorists, and that they were UnAmerican?
How did the state make them make that choice? What other option should there have been?
Great comeback.
Do you have proof Bush had less?
Maybe when you actually read a history book, and know what you're talking about, we can come back and discuss how Hitler's coming to power on themes of making their foreign enemies pay, of restoring the nation to a past glory age, of returning to family values, of promising military build up, was vastly different than Obama.
The fascist economic theory corporatism called for organizing each of the major sectors of industry, agriculture, the professions, and the arts into state- or management-controlled trade unions and employer associations, or “corporations,” each of which would negotiate labour contracts and working conditions and represent the general interests of their professions in a larger assembly of corporations, or “corporatist parliament.”
fascism (politics) :: Corporatism -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia
OMG of course there are Concentration camps that is where the people selected by the DEATH PANELS will be sent ....
I have known Morris Dees for nearly forty years, and I consider him a close personal friend. I understand that he has engendered the resentment of those who would deny equal rights to all citizens and that he is the object of absolute hatred by the Ku Klux Klan, whom he has put out of business in several places. Those things don't bother me at all, because I support and pledge to defend the Constitution of the United States and to fight without cease for the ideals which it represents.
If you think that the "Oath Keepers" can accomplish those things (or even intend to) better than Morris Dees and his efforts on behalf of the rule of law and the application of justice on the behalf of all, then that says more about you than I could ever have imagined on my own.
I may be posting in this forum from time to time, and I hope that you will read what I post and reflect upon it. If I can write as effectively as I think that I can, there will be plenty of food for thought. All you need is to be willing to think.
The KKK is lucky if it can get 20 people to attend a rally, they are irrelevant. however Dees and his left wing, progressive nut factory sides with black racist groups like the New Black Panther party, responsible for committing voter intimidation in PA this past election.
That's not entirely accurate. The SPLC lists several non-white groups as racial hate groups, The Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam being a couple. Check out their website, they really do go after all hate groups.
Check out this article:
SPLCenter.org: Prejudice in Paradise
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