Read the never-issued Trump order that would have seized voting machines

[j brown's body]

Why even draft something like that?

They were just spitballin' on executive order stationary.

A team building exercise where they respond to a question like "what is the most horrible immoral thing you could do with regard to this election but you know you never would because you are unimpeachablely ethical and moral and incorruptible?"

 

[Buckeyes85]

Nice rant, but I see you have nothing to offer, concerning the ballot error acceptable to the EAC or the ballot error percentage of Dominion voting machines during the 2020 election, as this will put an end to all the crazy drama.

This made me chuckle.

The very nature of conspiracy theories such as the ones you adhere to regarding the election, is that no evidence ends the drama. No matter how many times proven wrong by objective evidence, the conspiracy theorist will always cite that elusive morsel of info that they believe will solve the riddle once and for all. But either that evidence never materializes, or isn't presented how they want, or something. And they continue on. As you do.

 

[JasperL]

If you don't know, just say so.....merely looking for information....anybody else know?

Google can help. We're not your errand boys. None of us give a crap. If you do, get searching.

 

[JasperL]

This made me chuckle.

The very nature of conspiracy theories such as the ones you adhere to regarding the election, is that no evidence ends the drama. No matter how many times proven wrong by objective evidence, the conspiracy theorist will always cite that elusive morsel of info that they believe will solve the riddle once and for all. But either that evidence never materializes, or isn't presented how they want, or something. And they continue on. As you do.

There's an approximate 0% chance that person has any idea what he's asking, how it could be identified and tested, or what the results would mean to election results and the Big Lie.

 

[redbeer]

This made me chuckle.

The very nature of conspiracy theories such as the ones you adhere to regarding the election, is that no evidence ends the drama. No matter how many times proven wrong by objective evidence, the conspiracy theorist will always cite that elusive morsel of info that they believe will solve the riddle once and for all. But either that evidence never materializes, or isn't presented how they want, or something. And they continue on. As you do.

Dang dude, just want the evidence which will end all the drama. It should be easily accessible somewhere. If you don't have this information, just say so and move on.

 

[redbeer]

Google can help. We're not your errand boys. None of us give a crap. If you do, get searching.

This is the heart of the issue...."ballot error percentage".....it all doesn't matter, the narratives from the right or the left. When we know the "acceptable ballot error percentage" from the EAC and compare that to the "ballot error percentage" of Dominion voting machines, then this whole drawn out drama will be over.

 

[eohrnberger]

Irrelevant under the law.

Maybe this Time article will help to correct your misconceptions of the law.

Richard Nixon Is the Reason President Trump's Aides Have to Repair Documents He Rips Up

The law to preserve presidential documents was implemented because of Watergate

time.com

An official letter from another branch of government to the WH is the same as a in HW only draft?
I'm not inclined to put any credibility in this equivalency, sure looks like apples and oranges.

Nonsense. You have no idea if Trump’s WH Counsel ever saw the memorandum, much less that he saw it “and gave it a thumbs down”.

True, but likely, if not HW Counsel, then someone in the WH certainly did, as it didn't proceed beyond the draft stage, clearly.
How many other EO drafts from how many other administrations have been made public?

I do understand your unsupported perspective.

Irrelevant. Refer to beginning of this post.

Identified the apples and oranges equivalency above.

Your regret, like your refusal to accept facts, is irrelevant.

As if yours, refusing to acknowledge there's a difference between draft and published, between thought and action.
Seems you want to treat all of them the same when they are not the same,

Good idea. Run away from your ridiculous, failed argument.

 

[BlueTex]

This is the heart of the issue...."ballot error percentage".....it all doesn't matter, the narratives from the right or the left. When we know the "acceptable ballot error percentage" from the EAC and compare that to the "ballot error percentage" of Dominion voting machines, then this whole drawn out drama will be over.

It’s funny how the alt right didn’t give two shits about “acceptable ballot error percentages” till Trump got his ass kicked.

 

[redbeer]

It’s funny how the alt right didn’t give two shits about “acceptable ballot error percentages” till Trump got his ass kicked.

The problem with Dominion was around with the democrats well before the 2020 election, as you probably know.

 

[jnug]

Boy does this one sound like another Rudy Operation gone bad. Have another drink Rudy....it will all look better through the bottom of your empty glass.

 

[jnug]

The problem with Dominion was around with the democrats well before the 2020 election, as you probably know.

As yes a voting machine company conspiring with one of the two major political parties makes SO MUCH BUSINESS SENSE. NOT!!!!!!!

 

[eohrnberger]

The so called committee will be leaking like a sieve. But the is the whole point.
Story after story push by the committee to the Trump haters in the MSM. Over and over. Of course they will put their spin on it.

Interesting to note the sequence of events in a larger framed context.

1. Biden loses his agenda with the Senate denying the filibuster change and the 'Voting Rules' change bill
2. Biden has a 2 hour presser which didn't go well, went off script and some are claiming 'green lighted' Russia's incursion into the Ukraine, though that foreign policy misstep isn't going away
3. Admin staff scramble to clean up the mess
4. This draft EO is leaked

That said, the leaks from the committee have an appearance of containing only 1/2 the story, of being orchestrated, designed specifically to extract the maximum political attack use, only releasing the 1/2 of the story which support that use.

The committee is playing politics, manipulating the electorate, pulling the electorate's strings for purely partisan political purposes, which the reasonable always knew the committee would.

Wonder what the Republicans will find in Obama's presidential papers. This will get very interesting.

Certainly not any draft EOs.

 

[BlueTex]

The problem with Dominion was around with the democrats well before the 2020 election, as you probably know.

On the bright side Sydney, Rudy, and all the others that have been slinging this bullshit will soon get a chance to present their evidence in court. Unfortunately for them, when the lose they will be bankrupt...

Antrim County!

 

[Luckyone]

This is easily solvable.....find out what the acceptable error rate for voting machines in 2020 by the EAC.......check the voting machines used in the election to see if they met the acceptable error rate. From what I can find, so far, Dominion and the left has been fighting tooth and nail to have this simplicity accomplished, so maybe now it will get done.

But this commission is not interested in justice, as seen by the huge leaking problem, but accused people still have rights in this country, last I looked.

or change the votes in favor of Trump or throw out the votes for Biden

What makes you think that someone incorrectly and fraudulently saying there was voter fraud would not be the first to do "voter fraud:. Corruption is they key word in the Trump administration

 

[eohrnberger]

It doesn't bother you in the slightest that the Trump administration even thought this was possibly an option?

The same way I didn't get overly excited about how he expressed himself while in office.

Are we now going to be measured by what is thought?
Or are we going to continue to be measured by actual actions taken?

If the former: Minority Report, 1984.

I would be willing to bet money that President Obama never had EO's drafted up to end democracy.

How many EO drafts from how many other administrations have been made public?
I can't think of any, and think this is the only one.

The leaks from the committee have an appearance of containing only 1/2 the story, of being orchestrated, designed specifically to extract the maximum political attack use, only releasing the 1/2 of the story which support that use.

That the above draft EO appears to be the only one made public strengthens the assertion above.

 

[JasperL]

This is the heart of the issue...."ballot error percentage".....it all doesn't matter, the narratives from the right or the left. When we know the "acceptable ballot error percentage" from the EAC and compare that to the "ballot error percentage" of Dominion voting machines, then this whole drawn out drama will be over.

See, when you say that, you reveal you have no idea what you are talking about. Knowing that will have no impact on the "drama" of the Big Lie. Let's say we find out the actual "ballot error percentage" is 10%!!! Terrible!!! What does that tell us about any outcome? Nothing. For starters, in an election, the process for certifying equipment and software doesn't test for one "error" but about 40 of them that are possible. What "errors" did the counting machine make? Who knows? How were the "errors" distributed? Did the errors, such as mischaracterizing votes for Candidate A as one for Candidate B follow a pattern, such as consistently recording more votes for Trump than for Biden than indicated on the ballots? The error rate won't tell us, and if they're randomly distributed won't impact the election all that much Did the machines count legitimate votes as non-votes? How were those errors distributed? Error rate doesn't tell us. Etc.

So you could get these data and you and we will learn in fact NOTHING about what we care about, which is did Trump flame out as a one-term loser, or was the election stolen from his which is what is alleged by the Big Lie. Of course 100% of the evidence so far indicates....LOSER. So we get this garbage.

After an election, there's no particular reason to care about the error rate if we're worried about the election for Senator in Kentucky, which with Dominion systems were marked on paper we can all see and touch. All we want to know is did Sen. Turtle get more votes than his opponent, and the only way to really test that is to recount the paper ballots, by hand. Of course counting anything by hand is also predictably error prone, so then we'd have to compare a process that we know will include human errors to the machine count. But the hand count can reveal if there's a bigger than expected discrepancy, and then we'd investigate that, starting with the hand count. Perhaps in the hand count they didn't transfer over the right numbers, flipped columns, keyed in votes for Candidate A as for Candidate B. Etc. But none of that is necessary if the hand count and the machine count are within predictable margins, which was the case in every recount.

But what's relevant to this discussion is there have been in fact several hand recounts, and no one knew ahead of time in which states or counties these recounts would happen, so they are in many respects a random sample for purposes of the election. We know what those showed, which is overall - and that's all we care about - the Dominion machines and software accurately recorded the votes. And predictably you ignore that to move the goal posts to a new question, that's in fact not actually answerable, and if answered would tell us nothing, to keep the CT going. That's part of the beauty of CTs like this. They can never be disproved to the believers in the CT.

 

[pocket aces]

The problem with Dominion was around with the democrats well before the 2020 election, as you probably know.

The problem for you is that no one cares what an anti American's opinion is.

 

[code1211]

Read the never-issued Trump order that would have seized voting machines

The Jan. 6 select panel has obtained the draft order and a document titled "Remarks on National Healing." Both are reported here in detail for the first time.

www.politico.com

A "report" cited by Donald Trump bases his voting machine seizure actions on “the forensic report of the Antrim County, Michigan voting machines.”

However, that report was produced by Russ Ramsland who confused precincts in Minnesota for those in Michigan, according to the Washington Post. The Michigan Secretary of State subsequently released a report debunking election conspiracy theories in Antrim County’s November 2020 election

So... yet another in the long, and apparently growing, list of things that were never done that were never done?

 

[redbeer]

or change the votes in favor of Trump or throw out the votes for Biden

What makes you think that someone incorrectly and fraudulently saying there was voter fraud would not be the first to do "voter fraud:. Corruption is they key word in the Trump administration

No, not at all.....it's important, seeing how this is one of the most major issues in the election was the voting machines. To see if they met the criteria set forth by the EAC is important, imo. This should be easily to check and verify. If they were within the allowable error rate, then good.....if not, then we have problems which need addressed, so as to not occur again.

Corruption in politics is in the optics....from my view the corruption during the Trump presidency came from the democrats in their psychotic hatred, which caused them to do many dishonorable things which have undermined our republic.

 

[code1211]

See, when you say that, you reveal you have no idea what you are talking about. Knowing that will have no impact on the "drama" of the Big Lie. Let's say we find out the actual "ballot error percentage" is 10%!!! Terrible!!! What does that tell us about any outcome? Nothing. For starters, in an election, the process for certifying equipment and software doesn't test for one "error" but about 40 of them that are possible. What "errors" did the counting machine make? Who knows? How were the "errors" distributed? Did the errors, such as mischaracterizing votes for Candidate A as one for Candidate B follow a pattern, such as consistently recording more votes for Trump than for Biden than indicated on the ballots? The error rate won't tell us, and if they're randomly distributed won't impact the election all that much Did the machines count legitimate votes as non-votes? How were those errors distributed? Error rate doesn't tell us. Etc.

So you could get these data and you and we will learn in fact NOTHING about what we care about, which is did Trump flame out as a one-term loser, or was the election stolen from his which is what is alleged by the Big Lie. Of course 100% of the evidence so far indicates....LOSER. So we get this garbage.

After an election, there's no particular reason to care about the error rate if we're worried about the election for Senator in Kentucky, which with Dominion systems were marked on paper we can all see and touch. All we want to know is did Sen. Turtle get more votes than his opponent, and the only way to really test that is to recount the paper ballots, by hand. Of course counting anything by hand is also predictably error prone, so then we'd have to compare a process that we know will include human errors to the machine count. But the hand count can reveal if there's a bigger than expected discrepancy, and then we'd investigate that, starting with the hand count. Perhaps in the hand count they didn't transfer over the right numbers, flipped columns, keyed in votes for Candidate A as for Candidate B. Etc. But none of that is necessary if the hand count and the machine count are within predictable margins, which was the case in every recount.

But what's relevant to this discussion is there have been in fact several hand recounts, and no one knew ahead of time in which states or counties these recounts would happen, so they are in many respects a random sample for purposes of the election. We know what those showed, which is overall - and that's all we care about - the Dominion machines and software accurately recorded the votes. And predictably you ignore that to move the goal posts to a new question, that's in fact not actually answerable, and if answered would tell us nothing, to keep the CT going. That's part of the beauty of CTs like this. They can never be disproved to the believers in the CT.

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have both indicated that the the election that produced an outcome they did not like was stolen from them.

Seems to be a problem in something as they observe it.

Now Biden is saying that the election system we are using is corrupt, dishonest and needs to be dramatically and immediately overhauled.

Are all of these folks right right as a group, wrong as a group or just crazy as a group?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

This is easily solvable.....find out what the acceptable error rate for voting machines in 2020 by the EAC.......check the voting machines used in the election to see if they met the acceptable error rate. From what I can find, so far, Dominion and the left has been fighting tooth and nail to have this simplicity accomplished, so maybe now it will get done.

But this commission is not interested in justice, as seen by the huge leaking problem, but accused people still have rights in this country, last I looked.

I think it is funny when people that obviously know nothing about software development, think they are clever in arguing some conspiracy by voting machine companies to throw an election.

Let me let you in on something, anything that tampered with election results in the software these machines run would have never even gotten past a pull request.

[int]$voteCount = 1
foreach $vote in $votes {$voteCount++; if ($voteCount/100) {$bidenVote++}}

Something like that, no matter obfuscated you made it, would never even get past a pull request and would be an immediate termination for any engineer that attempted it.

 

[mike2810]

As yes a voting machine company conspiring with one of the two major political parties makes SO MUCH BUSINESS SENSE. NOT!!!!!!!

Add to this is Maricopa County Board of Supervisors is made up of 4 R and 1 D. The State Legislature has a Republican majority, and the State has a Republican Governor. Would Dominion have to conspire with Republicans to pull off the election fraud/

Still waiting for those who believe the "Big Lie" to come forward with the evidence. So far, they have failed.

 

[redbeer]

See, when you say that, you reveal you have no idea what you are talking about. Knowing that will have no impact on the "drama" of the Big Lie. Let's say we find out the actual "ballot error percentage" is 10%!!! Terrible!!! What does that tell us about any outcome? Nothing. For starters, in an election, the process for certifying equipment and software doesn't test for one "error" but about 40 of them that are possible. What "errors" did the counting machine make? Who knows? How were the "errors" distributed? Did the errors, such as mischaracterizing votes for Candidate A as one for Candidate B follow a pattern, such as consistently recording more votes for Trump than for Biden than indicated on the ballots? The error rate won't tell us, and if they're randomly distributed won't impact the election all that much Did the machines count legitimate votes as non-votes? How were those errors distributed? Error rate doesn't tell us. Etc.

So you could get these data and you and we will learn in fact NOTHING about what we care about, which is did Trump flame out as a one-term loser, or was the election stolen from his which is what is alleged by the Big Lie. Of course 100% of the evidence so far indicates....LOSER. So we get this garbage.

After an election, there's no particular reason to care about the error rate if we're worried about the election for Senator in Kentucky, which with Dominion systems were marked on paper we can all see and touch. All we want to know is did Sen. Turtle get more votes than his opponent, and the only way to really test that is to recount the paper ballots, by hand. Of course counting anything by hand is also predictably error prone, so then we'd have to compare a process that we know will include human errors to the machine count. But the hand count can reveal if there's a bigger than expected discrepancy, and then we'd investigate that, starting with the hand count. Perhaps in the hand count they didn't transfer over the right numbers, flipped columns, keyed in votes for Candidate A as for Candidate B. Etc. But none of that is necessary if the hand count and the machine count are within predictable margins, which was the case in every recount.

But what's relevant to this discussion is there have been in fact several hand recounts, and no one knew ahead of time in which states or counties these recounts would happen, so they are in many respects a random sample for purposes of the election. We know what those showed, which is overall - and that's all we care about - the Dominion machines and software accurately recorded the votes. And predictably you ignore that to move the goal posts to a new question, that's in fact not actually answerable, and if answered would tell us nothing, to keep the CT going. That's part of the beauty of CTs like this. They can never be disproved to the believers in the CT.

You are missing one very important part, namely if the "ballot error rate" was higher than allowed by the EAC....do you know where those ballots go....who handles them.....where's the records for these ballots....it's called adjudication. There is to be kept strict records of these ballots and the changes made. If the records have been deleted, missing, or counties will not turn them over, how are we supposed to know what happened? Then of course the hand recounts will match with the machines.....

Thus why it's so important to know the "error rate", follow the adjudication process records and see what changes were made or not made, whatever might be the case. Problem has been that Dominion, many counties will not allow them to be seen or they have been illegally deleted from record.

Allowable percentage rate allowed by the EAC.
Percentage rate of Dominion voting machines.
Adjudication records which by law are to be retained.

These three things will tell us all, in order for our future voting and nefarious people or processes can be removed. And if not, then we can move forward, but to date I have not seen this happening, but obstruction from state and county workers and Dominion themselves refusing to release this information. So, I simply do not understand how this is being permitted in this country, when it would be a rather easy accomplishment.

 

[redbeer]

The problem for you is that no one cares what an anti American's opinion is.

Typical response.....what's that supposed to do....scare me or what? The truth is good, some love the lie.

 

[pocket aces]

Typical response.....what's that supposed to do....scare me or what? The truth is good, some love the lie.

You should be scared how far down the rabbit hole you have gone for your hatred of America.