-Demosthenes-
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The whole idea of revenge and punishment is a childish day-dream. Properly speaking, there is no such thing as revenge. Revenge is an act which you want to commit when you are powerless and because you are powerless: as soon as the sense of impotence is removed, the desire evaporates also.
-Demosthenes- said:What are the basic rationales for the death penalty?
money; its cheaper-Demosthenes- said:What are the basic rationales for the death penalty?
It acts as a deterrent?
Ripping someone's eyes out with fork for committing a crime can be a "deterrent", killing someone's family for committing a crime can be a "deterrent", but does that make it right?
It saves lives?
Who's lives does it save? I agree that some people should get life in prison (and actually stay there sometimes), but if you kill them then it seems that you have defeated the purpose of "saving" people.
Revenge?
Valid reason to take a life?
Are there other basic and simple reasons or rationales for the death penalty, or other responses?
Death penalty is not doing anything except mocking god's words
galenrox said:well that's just plain illogical.
As has been well proven by alcahol and drug prohibition, as long as there's a demand there will be a market, and in making it a black market the government loses the ability to regulate the market.
If guns became illegal, how many of the people who would continue to buy the guns would be homeowners looking solely to protect their homes. That's right, pretty damn few. The people who would buy the guns are the same types of people who get caught using illegal guns now, actual criminals.
And thus the result of this little idea of your's is a bunch of armed criminals and unarmed civilians.
Oh yeah, that would end SO well.
A lot of things can be a deterrent...The utilitarian argument is two-fold:
-It will deter some people from comitting a similar crime
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Ripping someone's eyes out with fork for committing a crime can be a "deterrent", killing someone's family for committing a crime can be a "deterrent", but does that make it right?
So would locking someone up for the rest of their lives....
-It guarantees the criminal will never commit a similar crime again
A matter of opinion....
The retributiveist argument is simpler:
-Some people commit acts so heinous, they deserve to die.
Not a good reason to take a life. Example: would you have the government kill all poor people so that the government doesn't have to pay for them?money; its cheaper
There's no valid argument for banning guns.
Those on the left that DO want to ban them dont care in the least about 'saving livesl; instead, they only want to remove power from the people and give it to themselves.
Ima Troll said:money; its cheaper
use cheaper lawyersDeeJayH said:actually the death penalty costs more than life imprisonment
arent there appeals and investigations anyway? whether they are on death row or not?with all the automatic appeals, all the investigations etc.... it is cheaper to just lock em up and throw away the key
do you prefer when prisoners suffer for a long time?and death is a quick out and painless, in prison they suffer for a long time
so intensified suffering for criminals is the way to go?until i learned that, i was pro death penalty
in what way do life sentences breed capitalism?being a capitalist, it is all about the benjamins :shock: :doh :lol:
What are the basic rationales for the death penalty?
Ima Troll said:use cheaper lawyers
arent there appeals and investigations anyway? whether they are on death row or not?
do you prefer when prisoners suffer for a long time?
so intensified suffering for criminals is the way to go?
in what way do life sentences breed capitalism?
“The whole idea of revenge and punishment is a childish day-dream. Properly speaking, there is no such thing as revenge. Revenge is an act which you want to commit when you are powerless and because you are powerless: as soon as the sense of impotence is removed, the desire evaporates also.”KurtFF8 said:as George Orwell said:
Ima Troll said:do you prefer when prisoners suffer for a long time?...so intensified suffering for criminals is the way to go?
Ima Troll said:in what way do life sentences breed capitalism?
Jamesrage said:You never have to worry about that scumbag again...
Jamesrage said:...there is no possibility of escape for,there is no appeals for him,there is no simple luxeries such as library,tv, internet and some other things for him.
DeeJayh said:I have no sympathy for hardcore criminals who are eligible for the death penalty
DeeJayh said:the reason i say it is all about the benjamins, is because life inprisonment is cheaper than the death penalty. therefore life is more cost effective
Divinecomedy said:I would like to be Lord High Executioner in charge of eliminating whoring lawyers (especially those that know their client is guilty so they have to use jury consultants), lottery officials, usurers (that think a shopaholic that hides their purchases to win a VISA National Treasure Sweepstakes is funny), casino owners, sweepstake officials that say to everyone “you are a winner,” and those that talk to the dead for money, or anybody else that due process establishes has made their living by preying upon the weak and the elderly. But, it is just a dream, I am sure someone else is far more qualified (would look good holding a large axe), which is alright by me.
It is a grass roots movement, as all such movements start out, and all we need is your vote to clean up America and make it a place where those that talk to the dead do it without profiting from it.
Just spread the word, and before long we can have an America we can be proud of.
If you do not like the idea of using due process for the death penalty please vote to bring back the code duello. As always we want to do things the legal way when there are people that need killing.
When there are people out there that think “Caveat emptor” means the victim is always responsible for being duped, we can not just let things go to hell, we have to make due process work to protect us by passing wholesome statutory laws that protect families from predators.
-Demosthenes- said:Although I suspect an attempt at some type of dark humor, most would see the mass killings of undesirables in society as negative. Your hidden point that killing a criminal will remove them from society as to improve it is easily subsided by the fact that criminals can be alive when they are removed from society (prison removes them from society for example).
All of which can be done to a prisoner who is alive, I fail to see the point.
I agree that some criminals should be locked up forever.Divinecomedy said:So, now that we have incarcerated the known murderer in the institution for a second time, what do we do with the three psychiatrists that released the insane murderer, psychiatrists that acknowledged in their records that they believed he would kill again, so he could kill again, as he did kill again? Can we get some laws to put them in prison for life, so society can be safe from them?
Although I would tend to disagree that the necessities of life be denied them (food, water, ect.) you can deny them luxuries without killing them.Prisoners live better than people in third world countries they get free food,free lawer,free tv,free roof over their head,free education,free library,free interent and practically the right to practice what ever religion they want.They other things they get just sickens me,in some prisons they can have sex changes paid for by the tax payer.
-Demosthenes- said:Although I would tend to disagree that the necessities of life be denied them (food, water, ect.) you can deny them luxuries without killing them.
But there are times were rehibilitation is not possible.People need rehibilitation and treatment, not punishment.
Originally Posted by Liberal Pot Smoker
No one desirves the death penalty, no matter what their crimes are. Instead of killing these people we need to look at them and try to make a connection on why people do such hanous crimes. Then we can try to figure out ways to stop people from doing this. But the death penalty is immoral, and should be illigal. Too many inisent people have died and it is wrong. People need rehibilitation and treatment, not punishment.
jamesrage said:So I imagine if someone like Hitler was alive you would be pleading for his life?Get off the ****,it rots your brains.Apparently drug use has effected your thinking ability since you can not figure out why people do heinous things like commit murder.People commit murder for selfish reasons,greed, hatred,or entertainment.
Originally Posted by DeeJayh
why would you take someone, with a ridiculous name like that, seriously?
do you have sympathy for people who are not eligible for the death penalty?DeeJayH said:I have no sympathy for hardcore criminals who are eligible for the death penalty
the last that i had heard (and this was about ten years ago) is that it costs about $40,000 per year to house a single prison inmate; likewise, for a ten year stay for a single inmate, it costs $400,000; thats much more than the average cost of living; 25 years in prison would then be about $1 million for a single inmate; multiply this number by how many people are currently incarcerated in the USthe reason i say it is all about the benjamins, is because life inprisonment is cheaper than the death penalty. therefore life is more cost effective
however after entering my previous post, i did some more research and found conflicting information on the cost issue.
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