Rasmussen: 66% Favor Smaller Government With Fewer Services, Lower Taxes

[Boo Radley]

Take a poll and ask what services they will support cutting. Better yet, see what happens to an congress critter who actually goes about cutting services.

 

[obvious Child]

I was wrong about income tax, ok... I was not wrong about national defense being one of the original functions of the federal government.

Except that you argued to Donc that he was wrong about the starting wars. Where does National Defense call for started unnecessary wars that do not fulfill the role of defending America? The Founders never argued that National Defense was a tool for resource expansion.

It was the presidents decision. But when you have that kind of consent, it makes the decision pretty easy.

Except that you did argue that the majority makes the right decisions. Which is nothing more then fallacy of the bandwagon. Just because the majority at the time decided it was needed does not objective mean it was needed. I'm sure I don't need to give you historical examples of the majority being dead wrong.

We do not start wars. Never have and never will.

O'rly? We never start wars? How about Vietnam? How about Iraq 2003? How about Desert Storm? The Spanish-American war? Seriously.

Just ask the government if you don't believe me. We didn't start Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, or any other war we were involved in.

Uh, we started Vietnam. The Gulf of Tonkin was a lie. And we invaded Iraq, not the other way around.

Okay, tell me how we didn't start the Spanish American war. This outta be good.

 

[Donc]

I didn't start any war... And we were doing just fine fighting in the middle east and cutting taxes, until the mortgage lenders went belly up.



Timing pal... It's all about timing.

We are fighting two wars, in one of the worse economic recessions in 80 years, and so far in debt, we are on the brink of bankruptcy... That is not the time to propose the greatest government expenditure in history.

Is that too difficult to understand?

Not at all difficult to understand,you're saying that we should continue fighting two wars on a**,I say pay for it as we go.A good starting point would be revoking the half a trillion dollars tax cuts that bush gave the top 5%.A pre-Reagan tax-rates of 70% would be a pretty good start, then close a few bases in Europe that we don't need, pretty soon your talking real money. :2wave:

 

[Grim17]

O'rly? We never start wars? How about Vietnam? How about Iraq 2003? How about Desert Storm? The Spanish-American war? Seriously.

What you failed to get, is that no matter whether we did, or did not start a war, according to the government, we never have.

I won't speak of the Spanish-American war, because that was before my time. As for Vietnam, we were attempting to prevent Vietnam from being taken over by the invading communist forces from the north. We didn't start the war, we were merely trying to prevent the take over.

Desert Storm was also a war we didn't start. Iraq invaded and took over Kuwait without cause or provocation. We (the world) informed Saddam that this was not acceptable, and gave him a choice. Either leave Kuwait or you will be removed by force. Saddam is the one who chose war, not us. The same goes for the 2003 invasion of Iraq. We gave Saddam a choice, and he chose war.

Don't you get it? When the bad guys decide to be bad, we tell them "no, no... you better behave or else." When they refuse to behave, they leave us no choice but to spank them.

I've had enough of this useless conversation. And btw, leave it to a liberal to bring up the "Gulf of Tonkin" so they can get their shot in at the United States. Someone give that lib a cookie.

 

[Grim17]

Not at all difficult to understand,you're saying that we should continue fighting two wars on a**,I say pay for it as we go.A good starting point would be revoking the half a trillion dollars tax cuts that bush gave the top 5%.A pre-Reagan tax-rates of 70% would be a pretty good start, then close a few bases in Europe that we don't need, pretty soon your talking real money. :2wave:

What a great idea... Why didn't I think of that?

Oh, I remember now... It's because I'm not a fan of total economic collapse.

:rofl

 

[Donc]

What a great idea... Why didn't I think of that?

Oh, I remember now... It's because I'm not a fan of total economic collapse.

:rofl

Wow, I wonder how our parents and grandparents managed to survive the 90% rate under FDR, Ike and Harry. Please explain to me how closing bases in Europe, will do anything but help our countries bottom line. :roll:

 

[obvious Child]

What you failed to get, is that no matter whether we did, or did not start a war, according to the government, we never have.

So you think that whatever the government says is absolutely the truth?

I won't speak of the Spanish-American war, because that was before my time.

So you amend your statement that the US has never started a war then? Otherwise, you are contradicting yourself.

As for Vietnam, we were attempting to prevent Vietnam from being taken over by the invading communist forces from the north. We didn't start the war, we were merely trying to prevent the take over.

LOL. I burned the village to save it! By your measure, any aggressor in a conflict can say they never started it because they were in a larger geopolitical situation. By your measure, Iraq didn't start a war with Iran because they were merely trying to prevent the middle east from being swept up in religious fervor. By your measure, the British didn't start the Boer war, they were just trying to prevent the European settlers from going native! By your measure, the British and French weren't aggressors against Egypt!

:2wave:

Are you seriously trying to pull that kind of bat**** argument?

Don't you get it? When the bad guys decide to be bad, we tell them "no, no... you better behave or else." When they refuse to behave, they leave us no choice but to spank them.

Which allows anyone to justify any aggression.

I've had enough of this useless conversation. And btw, leave it to a liberal to bring up the "Gulf of Tonkin" so they can get their shot in at the United States. Someone give that lib a cookie.

lol. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one laughing at your post.

 

[Grim17]

So you think that whatever the government says is absolutely the truth?

Stop being a jackass dude.

This goes back to the response I gave to another poster, and I'm tired of your knit-picking liberal horse****.

So you amend your statement that the US has never started a war then? Otherwise, you are contradicting yourself.

Stop being a jackass dude.

I never believed that from the beginning... See if these statements I made a long while back makes any sense to you... Oh, and it requires you to think outside the box and incorporate some sarcasm when reading it:

"The fact is, no matter what anyone says, we don't "start" wars in the first place... and even if we do, we still don't. You know what I mean?

...We do not start wars. Never have and never will. Just ask the government if you don't believe me."​

LOL. I burned the village to save it! By your measure, any aggressor in a conflict can say they never started it because they were in a larger geopolitical situation.

Stop being a jackass dude.

By your measure, Iraq didn't start a war with Iran because they were merely trying to prevent the middle east from being swept up in religious fervor.

I have no idea, and could care less.

By your measure, the British didn't start the Boer war, they were just trying to prevent the European settlers from going native! By your measure, the British and French weren't aggressors against Egypt!

Again... I have no idea, and could care less.

Are you seriously trying to pull that kind of bat**** argument?

Stop being a jackass dude.

And one more thing too... Stop being a jackass dude.

 

[obvious Child]

Stop being a jackass dude.

Okay, stop making stupid arguments. Deal?

This goes back to the response I gave to another poster, and I'm tired of your knit-picking liberal horse****.

But you can't prove me wrong.

You claim that because the GOVERNMENT said so, it must be true. I take it you trust everything Obama says then? :2wave:

I never believed that from the beginning... See if these statements I made a long while back makes any sense to you... Oh, and it requires you to think outside the box and incorporate some sarcasm when reading it:

"The fact is, no matter what anyone says, we don't "start" wars in the first place... and even if we do, we still don't. You know what I mean?

...We do not start wars. Never have and never will. Just ask the government if you don't believe me."​

Looks like you just said that the US doesn't start wars.

Calling me a jackass (even if it am one, which I admit on some days I am) doesn't make you right.

 

[Grim17]

Wow, I wonder how our parents and grandparents managed to survive the 90% rate under FDR, Ike and Harry.

I guess our grandchildren will be asking the same thing about us in 50 years, except it will be about health care.

Please explain to me how closing bases in Europe, will do anything but help our countries bottom line. :roll:

I never said it wouldn't. As long as there's no reason to be there, I'm all for closing bases in Europe.

 

[Grim17]

Looks like you just said that the US doesn't start wars.

OMFG!

Even after I said incorporate some sarcasm when reading, you still don't have a clue... I give up!

Calling me a jackass (even if it am one, which I admit on some days I am) doesn't make you right.

No it doesn't... It just points out you're being a jackass.


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[Donc]

I guess our grandchildren will be asking the same thing about us in 50 years, except it will be about health care.





I never said it wouldn't. As long as there's no reason to be there, I'm all for closing bases in Europe.

You’re right about our grandchildren. Then they will more than likely say wtf took so long in addressing something as simple as healthcare; which by the way was long overdue and they will bitch about the lame a** first attempt, which they had to change to single payer.

Then they will thank us for letting someone else be the world Cop for a few years while we straightened our act up…. Man this crystal ball gig is ALLRIGHT. :2wave: