Rand Paul’s Risks

[Thrilla]

I have no idea what that means or what it has to do with your stupid and insane accusation that I get paid to post here which while being pure BS - will not even help my garden.

I said nothing of you being paid to post here.... but we both already knew that.

 

[Thrilla]

I did tell what you they believe in. You need to read between the lines and actually analyze my points. Something I don't think libertarians get how to do.

1. While boasting about freedom and fairness their leaders will lie, cheat, steal and commit blatant acts of fraud against their very base.

2. This was not a tactic this is a belief that many libertarians including you have, you just won't admit it right now. Next week you'll be saying how bad the two party system is.

3. Libertarians pander to tea partiers. This is something I don't like about them. Because I don't like the tea party!

4. Libertarians associate themselves with unfounded conspiracies. This is a proven fact and cannot be tossed aside.

5. Libertarians tend to be hackers and tend to congregate on online communities (not this one fortunately) and take over forums or other topic sites blasting and banning anybody who disagrees with them. I've seen this happen to most forums I've been on, and that's not many!

6. While preaching fiscal responsibility Libertarian leaders will outright waste money and support local earmarks to become some of the most corrupt members in congress. This has been documented and is public information. A hypocritical ideal which I do not like about libertarians.

7. If audit the fed was such a great piece of legislation then Ron Paul the leader of the libertarians should be proud of it, should he??? It was afterall, a main talking point of his and a stated goal of many libertarians...

8. Libertarians are against the MIC, an ideal I do not like...

9. End the fed is a silly idea again one in which I do not agree with...

10. Libertarians are frauds and conmen, and ideal which I do not like

11. Libertarians tried to pass themselves off as Republicans. They tried to steal my party from me! They failed horribly, but I can still not like them for doing this...It wasn't just Ron Paul it was every delegate that was associated with him that went to the convention! Instead of supporting Romney like all republicans.

12. I don't believe that the libertarian utopia is achievable and I wouldn't like living in it if it was. I like the current system as it is, but I would welcome a few personal changes which wouldn't even register as changes in the libertarian universe.

CATO??? You mean Ron Paul's propaganda arm which promotes isolationism? Yeah, not liking them so much either...

so many words, so little facts.

 

[Thrilla]

Here is the deal.

One side wants to pretend to ask "what is there you can object to about Christianity since all it preaches is love thy neighbor?

The other side wants to cite the Crusades, the Inquisition, the abuses that led to the Reformation, and the recent spate of Catholic priests abusing young boys.

Philosophy is just self serving BS for dilettantes who have nothing better to do. Actions are what is real.

ok, now that we know you won't have a philosophical discussion, tell us about the actions you have a problem with.

keep it factual, if you can.

 

[haymarket]

I said nothing of you being paid to post here.... but we both already knew that.

So tell us - what the hell does what I do for a living monday through friday - the exact same job that more republicans in my state do than democrats - have to do with posting here and why the hell would you even bring it up unless it was to be just plain petty and bitchy?

 

[haymarket]

ok, now that we know you won't have a philosophical discussion, tell us about the actions you have a problem with.

keep it factual, if you can.

Philosophy is for dilettantes which have nothing better to do. It is attempted intellectual masturbation for the otherwise impotent.

The actions I have trouble with is what it portends for the USA and its people. Libertarians want power and I see that power as destroying American and a whole lot of its people. Consider me a Jew in Germany in 1934 evaluating Hitler and his Nazi party. And screw Mike Godwin and his damn rules.

 

[Fletch]

Philosophy is just self serving BS for dilettantes who have nothing better to do. Actions are what is real.

LOL. Just when I think you couldnt say anything dumber you go and prove me wrong. Tell me genius, what do you base your actions upon if not philosophy? Do you act on pure instinct like a mindless animal? Or is it just pure emotion without thought that propels your actions? The ladder sure defines your posting style, but I wouldnt rule out the former entirely.

 

[haymarket]

LOL. Just when I think you couldnt say anything dumber you go and prove me wrong. Tell me genius, what do you base your actions upon if not philosophy?

pragmatics
reality

Again, you want to discuss "love thy neighbor" and I want to discuss how you raped the middle east during the Crusades, killed innocents in the Inquisition, betrayed your own ideals resulting in the Reformation, and bent over little boys in modern times.

And you make fun of me for urinating on your love of philosophy over real actions? Get a life.

 

[Thrilla]

So tell us - what the hell does what I do for a living monday through friday - the exact same job that more republicans in my state do than democrats - have to do with posting here and why the hell would you even bring it up unless it was to be just plain petty and bitchy?

I didn't say it had anything to do with anything either..... your Republican slurper came running to your defense after I said "Mr Paid Democratic sychophant"


if anyone knows anything about being petty and bitchy, you'd be the one.

regale is with more wisdom about Libertarians wanting to destroy the country.... i'm oh so entertained by your idiocy wisdom

 

[Fletch]

pragmatics
reality

prag·ma·tism

[ prágmə tìzzəm ]


1.way of thinking about results: a straightforward practical way of thinking about things or dealing with problems, concerned with results rather than with theories and principles
2.way of evaluating theories: a philosophical view that a theory or concept should be evaluated in terms of how it works and its consequences as the standard for action and thought.

See that bolded part there ^ Pragmatism is a "philosophic view." So your accusation that others engage in mental masturbation seems to apply to you as well after all. Really dude, you ought to think before you type.

 

[Thrilla]

Philosophy is for dilettantes which have nothing better to do. It is attempted intellectual masturbation for the otherwise impotent.

The actions I have trouble with is what it portends for the USA and its people. Libertarians want power and I see that power as destroying American and a whole lot of its people. Consider me a Jew in Germany in 1934 evaluating Hitler and his Nazi party. And screw Mike Godwin and his damn rules.

yup, you officially lost it....well done

 

[Thrilla]

prag·ma·tism

[ prágmə tìzzəm ]


1.way of thinking about results: a straightforward practical way of thinking about things or dealing with problems, concerned with results rather than with theories and principles
2.way of evaluating theories: a philosophical view that a theory or concept should be evaluated in terms of how it works and its consequences as the standard for action and thought.

See that bolded part there ^ Pragmatism is a "philosophic view." So your accusation that others engage in mental masturbation seems to apply to you as well after all. Really dude, you ought to think before you type.

don't pick on him with facts and stuff, he's a Jew in 1934 :lamo

 

[NeverTrump]

so many words, so little facts.

You guys are doing a tremendous job of defending yourselves.

After all this time, you are still calling me a troll and that I am not truthful for pointing out the hypocrisy among libertarians. Even though you asked me what I didn't like about libertarians.

I would think you'd figure out better tactics. This is why libertarians will always be a fringe.

Reason number 1 why I do not like libertarians: While they may say they believe in one thing they turn around and do the complete opposite!! While the two parties may do this as well, they have certain principles that never be thrown out. Libertarians are empty suits. Libertarian principles are either a crazy mixture of other ideas thought up by smarter people than them, which they outright stole, or crazy conspiracies that they thought up all by themselves! The American people know that when Libertarians talk about liberty it is a useless slogan bought and paid for by dangerous and sometimes racist libertarian entities.

I firmly believe libertarians don't have any core beliefs. They don't even do a good job defending them. Just scream bully or conspiracy every time something doesn't go there way.

 

[Fletch]

You guys are doing a tremendous job of defending yourselves.

After all this time, you are still calling me a troll and that I am not truthful for pointing out the hypocrisy among libertarians.

I would think you'd figure out better tactics. This is why libertarians will always be a fringe.

We are talking principles and you are talking tactics. Why dont you point to a hypocritical position held by a libertarian on this site.

 

[Thrilla]

You guys are doing a tremendous job of defending yourselves.

After all this time, you are still calling me a troll and that I am not truthful for pointing out the hypocrisy among libertarians.

I would think you'd figure out better tactics. This is why libertarians will always be a fringe.

I have no doubt you believe what you are telling us... it's just that what you have to say is utterly bereft of facts.

defending ourselves against your opinion is just pissin' in the wind... bring facts and we can talk, bring opinions and we'll sit here and laugh at you.

 

[haymarket]

I didn't say it had anything to do with anything either..... your Republican slurper came running to your defense after I said "Mr Paid Democratic sychophant"


if anyone knows anything about being petty and bitchy, you'd be the one.

regale is with more wisdom about Libertarians wanting to destroy the country.... i'm oh so entertained by your idiocy wisdom

The word BITCHY describes that rant perfectly.

 

[haymarket]

prag·ma·tism

[ prágmə tìzzəm ]


1.way of thinking about results: a straightforward practical way of thinking about things or dealing with problems, concerned with results rather than with theories and principles
2.way of evaluating theories: a philosophical view that a theory or concept should be evaluated in terms of how it works and its consequences as the standard for action and thought.

See that bolded part there ^ Pragmatism is a "philosophic view." So your accusation that others engage in mental masturbation seems to apply to you as well after all. Really dude, you ought to think before you type.

See definition #1 and flush definition #2 along with the other crap.

 

[haymarket]

yup, you officially lost it....well done

That makes no sense at all.

 

[Thrilla]

The word BITCHY describes that rant perfectly.

:lamo

 

[Thrilla]

That makes no sense at all.

i'm sure it doesn't make sense....to you.

 

[Fletch]

See definition #1 and flush definition #2 along with the other crap.

Great. Lets look at that then. So you are 'concerned with results rather than theories and principles.' Which means you are and "ends justify the means" type of guy. You realize, of course, that the wholesale slaughter of innocents can be a very effective way of achieving certain results. So clearly you have no problem with that. For me, I choose people with a set of principles that would reject that sort of "action" out of hand.

The more you talk, the worse you look.

 

[beerftw]

1. No it's because they live in an alternate reality. Most people know this...
2. I don't believe that's true. I believe that it was exactly as it is today. Do you have any evidence to back up your claims?
3. There is no effort to defame them. In fact, it is quite the opposite. Both Democrats and Republicans have welcomed the libertarians into their camps. Republicans even moreso than the Democrats. Democrats don't understand why libertarians are more likely to vote republican. The libertarians ruin their reputation all on their own, especially when they whine about conspiracy theories when they don't get their way or when they lose elections horribly!
4. Oh yes, because your ideals will bring us to utopia!!!! /sarcasm.

well one,what evidence do you have they live in an alternate reality,or any other of your claims,so far all ive seen from you this entire thread is ad hominem attacks against the libertarian ideology and other blatant fallacies,but zero actual proof or even logical input towards the matter.

number 2 go google classic american liberal,its almost identical to libertarian in every way,and was the common definition of liberal in american politics in the previous century.

no effort to defame hem,thats why the republican party spent so much time defaming paul and telling everyone the country would end if his policies were allowed,pretty bad that all those politicians and party members kept calling him a loon,yet they had to keep hammering down that message at every turn,because paul was gaining momentum.as ron paul couldnt beat big money in a primary,he couldnt win that stage but set up more recognition for his son.

oh yes more sarcasm,no actual rebuttal,just face it,the democrat and republican ideologies have created most of todays problems through corruption and political pandering,yet the only way to do anything to fix the country is to keep doing the same?????what it really is is that the country wont end,it would prosper quite nicely,rather the politicians way of life would end,which is why they hate the libertarian ideology.

 

[Thrilla]

See definition #1 and flush definition #2 along with the other crap.

you don't always use philosophy, but when you do.. you pretend it's not philosophy :lol:

 

[NeverTrump]

We are talking principles and you are talking tactics. Why dont you point to a hypocritical position held by a libertarian on this site.

Why only limit it to this site?

tactics can say a lot about your principles and since the libertarian tactics have been so insane, crazy, and hurtful to anybody who doesn't agree with them, that whatever they stood for before the 2012 election doesn't matter. They lost, now they are whining about losing and that no one will take them seriously anymore. I mentioned multiple principles that libertarians believe in and you just continue to ignore. So let me write them down again for you.

While boasting about freedom and fairness their leaders will lie, cheat, steal and commit blatant acts of fraud against their very base.
Libertarians associate themselves with unfounded conspiracies. (This is a principle not a tactic.) Leaders in the Libertarian party and their ilk really believe in crazy conspiracies. You can't defend that.
Here is something you can read about hackers and libertarians: Quite informative Code Free or Die() here's one talking about cyber-anarchism. Which is what paulbots do: Julian Assange: Cyber-Libertarian or Cyber-Anarchist? » Cyborgology

Comedy central did a piece which highlights how much the revolution pac wasted. Most younger people say they get their news from Jon stewart. Sorry Revolution PAC Wasted Your Money, Ron Paul Fans | Blog | Political Humor Satire | Comedy Central Indecision

Here's a report that highlights Ron Paul's corruption: Ron Paul One Of The Most Corrupt Members Of Congress, Report Finds - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)


It is well documented that libertarians are against the Military Industrial Complex, are for ending the fed, and hijack the republican party for their own personal gain, because they can't gain any traction as a regular movement.

I also asked YOU specific questions to defend your leaders and the people who associate with them. You ignored my questions about Ron Paul and his buddies. You will probably ignore all the links and facts I just posted, because you can't stand that I'm actually pulling your beliefs apart and flushing them down the toilet!

 

[Fletch]

you don't always use philosophy, but when you do.. you pretend it's not philosophy :lol:

Exactly. A true pragmatist would find certain aspects of libertarianism worthy. To refer to a particular ideology as "evil" requires the person making the charge take a philosophical position. So it looks like Haymarket enjoys masturbation as much as the next guy but just likes to pretend he doesnt.

 

[haymarket]

i'm sure it doesn't make sense....to you.

It is both the singer and the song.