Racist Paedophile ring [W:348 & 389]

gunner said:

To be honest IC, I don't really know what your denying/agreeing with anymore. Your posting history in this thread (shown above) shows what you accept. Is it just the 'PC' aspect?

Paul

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Infinite Chaos said:

My position remains the same- http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/160626-racist-paedophile-ring-w-348-a-35.html#post1063724932

Mr Meredydd Hughes was one of those initially responsible and it is clear he has a pattern of disbelief of certain things be they widespread rape of children (white and brown) by Pakistani muslims and Pakistani muslim gangs - and equally that some people could be so horrible to a disabled mother as to make her life miserable as my link previously shows.

Meredydd Hughes can hardly be described as PC: there are other, more accurate words to describe a policeman who repeatedly fails in his duty to his county, who repeatedly ignores challenging reports that show crimes are going on that he wished to ignore / disbelieve.

I can't put it any simpler than that.

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Infinite Chaos said:

I'm finished here anyway - facts are the one true remaining feature of the thread:

1) Senior figures in the police failed the victims in 2002 - not politicians, not "political correctness"

2) No posters on this forum were in any way responsible or involved in events at Rotherham, Rochedale or any of the other places in the world were rape gangs have operated.

3) The Pakistani muslim rape gangs did not just target white girls.

4) Pakistani muslim rape gangs are not responsible for any more than 10% of the child sex or adult rapes that are recorded in this country.

5) There is no "rape jihad" except in people's minds.

6) The Pakistani muslim rape gangs were paedophiles first and foremost and like all paedophiles depended on opportunity and vulnerable victims.

7) If the facts don't support you - be dishonest and attack other posters.

8) And finally, claims of "racism" are very interesting because the only people who have even mentioned or recognised that there were muslim / Pakistani girls targeted were myself, Andy and Manc (in his report).

I will remember that when the next thread starts up claiming concern for brown girls in burkas and niqabs as younger, more vulnerable brown girls have not been mentioned or shown any concern about.

Goodbye from this thread. Here is the report once again

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gunner said:

-- Not to labour the point, but I will add NO one is suggesting Pakistani Muslims make up 80/90% of paedophiles, thus, it offers nothing to the debate.

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gunner said:

--Finally, do you accept there are 'models' of paedophilia, and this case shows a particular model?

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Infinite Chaos said:

Sorry, but having lived in some overseas countries I've also sat with and discussed with real people how their perception of the West and Western people (especially women) is often very heavily informed by the kind of cheap television as well as satellite broadcasts that is sometimes available in the middle east and Africa.

Western porn and soap operas especially have a very large effect on forming views on how western women act, are treated and are seen. It's broader than just one religion - I discussed with all sorts of people from different backgrounds. The frightening thing is that when I met such people in the 90's, the type of porn especially was a lot milder and the way women were objectified or humiliated in a lot of modern porn did not exist then.

We often hear complaints about how Western teenagers often have a fake view of sex and relationships because of the porn they watch - how much more so are relatively naive peoples with no real counter balance image to show them how other white women are treated?

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truthatallcost said:

I had to comment here after seeing this. I've communicated with Muslim males from the USA who say the same thing Pete said here. In fact I was having a conversation with a Muslim male from the UK online, and he said point blank that white women are 'whores who have been with 20-30 men by the time they're 18'. He was using that as a defense as to why white women are just good for sex, and getting their consent first isn't terribly important.

This is pretty universal, and black dudes I've known in the states say all kinds of derogatory comments about white women. Any young females with fair skin are going to be looked at almost as sex objects.

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Infinite Chaos said:

You quoted but didn't understand. Have you no idea of the picture painted by porn? If you've ever lived in other countries, you'll also see that people in other parts of the world think the west is paved with golden streets - it's not that dissimilar to the picture that men in underdeveloped parts of the world get about western women.

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truthatallcost said:

I had to comment here after seeing this. I've communicated with Muslim males from the USA who say the same thing Pete said here. In fact I was having a conversation with a Muslim male from the UK online, and he said point blank that white women are 'whores who have been with 20-30 men by the time they're 18'. He was using that as a defense as to why white women are just good for sex, and getting their consent first isn't terribly important.

This is pretty universal, and black dudes I've known in the states say all kinds of derogatory comments about white women. Any young females with fair skin are going to be looked at almost as sex objects.

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truthatallcost said:

I was saying that your description of how men view white women in 3rd world countries matches what I've heard black & brown men who live in the UK & US say. The men in the US & UK aren't just being influenced by porn when they're surrounded by white people, are they?

So my question to you is; why do these minority men from the UK believe that white women are how they describe? Does their culture teach them to look down on white women, or are they informed by their experiences in the UK? Or both?

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Henrin said:

That's because society does a pretty crappy job at not presenting white women as sluts. If anyone is to blame for that it's frankly white women.

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truthatallcost said:

But how could someone living in the UK seriously think that all white women are 'whores' and 'sluts'? Just go to any college campus, sure there are the stereotypical white women who are into partying, but then there's also a lot of studious white women who are dating one guy and don't do all that stuff.

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zyzygy said:

If anybody takes the trouble to watch the BBC documentary "Hunting Britain's Pedophiles" they will discover that most of the suspects and the men who responded to fake profiles on chat sites were white.

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truthatallcost said:

Most gang members are white too, I saw it on an old episode of Law and Order.

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