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Racism or not?

lpast said:
Lol nice dodge you provided nothing but liberal nonesense....and I provided simple truth
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i didnt dodge anything. i provided step by step logic. instead of addressing my logic, you countered with empty rhetoric. thats typical conservative nonsense
 
MaggieD said:
Stereotyping is always wrong...by its very definition. Is it racist? No.
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if that stereotype is negative, and is based on a person's race, then its racist. the person making the stereotype believes that race is inferior by virtue of the negative, race-based stereotype.
 
JMax said:
if that stereotype is negative, and is based on a person's race, then its racist. the person making the stereotype believes that race is inferior by virtue of the negative, race-based stereotype.
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Not true. Just because someone believes Hispanics are illegally here does not necessarily mean they think they are inferior, just breaking the law.

It may be true in some cases, but you are making a blanket generalization that does not always apply.
 
Blackdog said:
Not true. Just because someone believes Hispanics are illegally here does not necessarily mean they think they are inferior, just breaking the law.

It may be true in some cases, but you are making a blanket generalization that does not always apply.
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i disargree. saying someone is doing an illegal act because of their race, is saying that race is inferior in terms of morality (because theyre breaking the law)
 
I would have to agree that sterotyping in some cases is racist. Even profiling has been proven to be wrong.

I'll add that on another day we were driving down a highway along side farmer fields. There were a number of people working in the fields. From the distance we were at, race was not something that could be determined. However, she again made the same comment. (I do realize that race can not necessarily be determined just by looking at someone. To look at me you would think that I'm only white but I'm not).

On another day while in a Taco Bell she asked is only hispanics who worked in the Taco Bells in Toronto.

She does have a clear issue with people being in the US illegaling. It is a topic of many discussions with her.
 
JMax said:
i disargree. saying someone is doing an illegal act because of their race, is saying that race is inferior in terms of morality (because theyre breaking the law)
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The majority of illegals in this country are Hispanic, so saying something about it because of race is not inherently racist. Has nothing to do with "inferiority" or any kind of superiority. It is a simple fact of national origin and the times we live in.

Present-day countries of origin

According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the countries of origin for the largest numbers of illegal immigrants are as follows:

For 2009...

Country of origin Raw number:

Mexico: 6,650,000
El Salvador: 530,000
Guatemala: 480,000
Honduras: 320,000
Philippines: 270,000
India: 200,000
Korea: 200,000
Other (balance): 2,145,000

The Urban Institute estimates "between 65,000 and 75,000 undocumented Canadians currently live in the United States." - Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Numbers don't lie and are not racist. Pointing this out does not make anyone racist.

PS: Pointing out someone may be illegal because of race again is not inherently racist. Prejudicial and bigoted, but not racist in all cases.
 
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theres a difference between saying most illegals are hispanic and looking at a hispanic and saying hes an illegal. the first is based on fact, the second is based on assumption. The assumption is the racist part.
 
My best friend is Black, and i laugh every-time he buys kool-aid at walmart.... am i racist?

i think black people on average jump higher then white people on average... am i a racist?

I think the odds are, if i see mexicans in a Mcdonalds parking lot wandering around they would most likely be illegal... am i racist?
 
JMax said:
theres a difference between saying most illegals are hispanic and looking at a hispanic and saying hes an illegal. the first is based on fact, the second is based on assumption. The assumption is the racist part.
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An assumption based on race AGAIN is not necessarily racist as I have shown.

Your argument has no real merrit.
 

Yes.....yes, you are.
 

Depends on where the McDonalds is.
 

What does buying kool-aid have to do with your friend being black?

Thinking black people can jump higher on average is just absurd.

Assuming people "wandering" around a parking lot are illegals is racist. They may have just had lunch there and were walking home.
 

1. because it's a stereotype, and it's funny when you actually see someone fullfill one

2. No, it's actually proven scientifically... that people of African Decent !on average! have heightened muscle twitch and muscle tissue in the legs more then white people.

3. B/c Statistically, most often they would be.
 
celticwar17 said:
3. B/c Statistically, most often they would be.
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That is absolutely false. Approximately 10% of the US population is of Mexican decent; about 31 million or so. Estimates of the population of Mexican illegal immigrants typically range between 7 and 11 million. That means somewhere between 60-75% of people of Mexican decent in this country are here legally.

That means that statistically speaking, it's actually pretty unlikely that the "wandering Mexicans" are illegal immigrants.
 

I don't think so, under the situation of the OP... if mexican's are wandering around in an area looking for construction work... i think i could safely justify that they are most likely illegal. Sorry if i didnt define my perameters as well, but i was talking about the op's situation.
 
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I think it would depend on the situation and neighborhood.

I worked at Belmoral Race Track back in the day. During Thoroughbred racing season we had handlers of Hispanic decent live at the track in billets. Most of them were illegals and we as the security for the stables knew who was legal and who was not. Roughly 60% of those employed were illegal.

So making a call based on race in this situation would not be racist.
 
Maybe she just can't tell the difference between non-whites and non-Americans? Oh, wait... that is racist.
 
The word racism is tossed around way to much... people just need to chill

I'm a realist... stereotypes usually have factual basis(usually, im sure there are some out there that are completely ridiculous)... but stereotypes in no way define someone, just a mere humorous sociological observation that can be helpful in many ways, it's a human survival instinct to do such things. You can't walk around a brainwash yourself into thinking there are no patterns in the way race and cultures live. Your lieing to yourself. There are numerous sociological studies showing these difference and the origins of such stereotypes. -This is fact, NOT racism

Racism is when you think your origins are superior to other's, and genetically you were born with better traits. This line of thought is rather silly, because any human being from any race could full-fill any advanced intellectual task, as long as they are raised in a educated culture. Even if there are statistics of certain races having higher IQ's (Asians) or increased lung capacity (Kenyans), morally every human being has equal rights, because any human being from any ethnic background Could potentially do anything that anyone else could do, and if an individual proves themselves unable to do a task, then they can rightfully be declined (i.e. a white tarzan discovered in a forest, that knows no other language other then wolf and doesn't demonstrate any advanced thinking processes, can't be hired for being a rocket scientist)

But anyway... thats what i think
 

No, this alone is not racism. It is a negative stereotype of hispanics, a racial prejudice. For it to be racism, she would have to actually be discriminatory towards hispanics as well. Racism is a combination of prejudice and discrimination. Racism is the perception and unequal treatment of a racial group based on the assumption that it is inferior to ones own.
 
It is all dependent on your take on Racism. To me, most of the planet is racist to some extent, it should be actively fought.
But some 'hispanics' have a more 'illegal' look than others. :lol:

/jk
 

I worked construction with quite a few legal immigrants from Mexico. Also, in todays construction climate, I know a lot of people who wander around parking lots looking for a days work.

Blackdog said:
I think it would depend on the situation and neighborhood.
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Sure, but only to a degree.


So there's a 40% chance that the person would be labelled incorrectly based on their race. I am curious about one thing: were all of the hispanics employed there immigrants?

So making a call based on race in this situation would not be racist.
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In that specific situation, it is more borderline, I'll give you that, but that's also a far cry from seeing some people in a parking lot and assuming that they are illegal immigrants based soely on their skin-tone. For example, one would know that these people are employed at Balmoral. They'd have an idea of the wages that they receive. They know that the company mostly hires ilegal immigrants.

In a McDonald's parking lot, these things are not actually known, only assumed. Ad the reason they are assumed is only based on the skin-tone of the people involved.
 

Racism is essentially a conscious or unconscious belief in the inherent superiority of one race over another\others and thereby the right by that race to use power to dominate.

In this situation the term "racism" just does not apply. As I said before bigoted? Probably, but racist? No, not by the incident mentioned in the op alone.
 
If you perceive yourself as inherently superior to illegal immigrants (because they disregard the law and you don't) and you think race makes one an illegal immigrant, then you are a racist because you are saying that being Hispanic/Mexican inherently makes you inferior because being Hispanic/Mexican inherently make you an illegal immigrant.

In other words, you associate an inferior state of being with a particular race. This makes you racist.
 
Blackdog said:
An assumption based on race AGAIN is not necessarily racist as I have shown.

Your argument has no real merrit.
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i already responded to this argument of yours. if you assume a race to break the law, you view them as morally inferior.
 
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