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Question: Why Do You Leftwingers Think You Will Somehow Be Spared the Coming Economic Collapse and Loss of Freedoms?

danielpalos said:
How would that guy have avoided it when he was chosen by lot by drawing the short end?
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We're pushing a metaphor here.

I support a constitutional republic which is a form of democracy that protects minorities
 
Mashmont said:
So..America will go down, but other weaker countries will be spared? There’s no place you can run, my friend. But let’s do keep in touch. We will be ideological allies within a few years.
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Yes. The Kraken will take down the US, but many other countries will be spared because they are beyond the reach of the creatures destructive tentacles. My method of escape is Kraken proof and also accounts for other apocalyptic scenarios, so I'll send you a post card from wherever I choose to move.
 
Mashmont said:
In a few years, you will wish to God you could return to the days of Trump when you had so much you took for granted.
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I doubt that; in much the same way I'd wish to [insert deity of the day here] I could return to the days of the Spanish Inquisition.
 
Jay59 said:
It's worth noting that the Fed cranked up interest rates, after eight years held as close to zero as possible.
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False...

The Fed has maintained an allegiance to it's monetary policy initiative. The first move from zero began in December of 2015, which followed a year of 0.5%. It continued to rise all the way into July 2019, when the economy began to show weakness as fiscal stimulus (during low unemployment) waned. Praising Trump for an economy that grew (no more than any time since 2005) in conjunction with deficits is a display of ignorance. With the gift of hindsight, the most positive aspect of the Trump economy was the rise in rates, which gave the Fed 225 basis points worth of bullets to combat future economic duress.

Too bad Trump's lack of a pandemic response cost the economy trillions while Fed policy induces valuations disjoined from reality.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
That the best you can muster in response is a bad meme? Yes, I saw. You didn't exactly hide it.
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Bad meme? It's a true meme. Want to tell me it's not or would you rather just hit and run to plant a false idea in these people's heads?
 
it's just me said:
Bad meme? It's a true meme. Want to tell me it's not or would you rather just hit and run to plant a false idea in these people's heads?
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It is a bad meme, because that's not how democracy works in the Unites States.

It does however succeed in perpetuating the idea that somehow you're the victim because you lost an election.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
It is a bad meme, because that's not how democracy works in the Unites States.

It does however succeed in perpetuating the idea that somehow you're the victim because you lost an election.
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That's what democracy is - mob rule, and everybody who doesn't go along with your program is a victim. I've explained this until I am blue in the face, and you go on believing your fairy tale.

You have become the monster you are afraid of. Don't say you weren't warned.
 
it's just me said:
That's what democracy is - mob rule, and everybody who doesn't go along with your program is a victim.
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And there you go: when unable to win through democracy, Trump supporters will abandon democracy.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
And there you go: when unable to win through democracy, Trump supporters will abandon democracy.
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Yeah, we prefer Republicanism, which is what the founders have in mind.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Democracy and Republic are not mutually exclusive terms.
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There is enough of a difference to be able to say that one is superior to the other, and the founders agree.

I know you want to dump the electoral college because you think you'll cruise to victory, but once the rules change the strategy will also change.
 
it's just me said:
There is enough of a difference to be able to say that one is superior to the other, and the founders agree.
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Thank you for demonstrating you don't understand what either republic or democracy means.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Thank you for demonstrating you don't understand what either republic or democracy means.
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Well, then why don't you explain it to me, which I am sure you won't because I can never get one of you to step up to the plate.
 
it's just me said:
Well, then why don't you explain it to me, which I am sure you won't because I can never get one of you to step up to the plate.
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Sure.

A republic, from the Latin res publica is a government where the affairs of state are considered a public matter, rather than the private concerns of autocrats, oligarchs, and dictators.

A democracy, from the Hellenic demos kratos (literally people rule) is a governmental system where the people get to choose who their leadership is.

You should note, right off the bat, neither term contradicts the other, in fact they are complimentary in many ways. Democracy originated in Athenai where it went through a few changes over time; at times it was a direct democracy in which all matters were voted on by the majority of the population (what we might know as a direct democracy), in other situations decisions were made by assemblies, which could be secured by drawing lots. At its height Athenian Democracy was a complex state of affairs, further complicated that only land owning male Citizens could vote, which were only about 30% of Athens's population.

Athens was not a representative democracy, but Rome was; Senators were elected by votes from Citizens and were supposed to represent them in the Senate and in Assemblies. We know of course that Rome's democracy was highly stratified due to the heavy influence of wealthy landowners and aristocrats, known as Patricians, who held significant sway, but Rome still had a democracy, and when incensed the mob, the Plebeians, could prove a powerful political force.

So what is the United States? Well we are clearly a democratic republic, specifically a Federal Presidential Constitutional Republic Representative Democracy. We are a Federation, Federal, because we composed of 50 self-governing states. We we have a Presidential system, where the head of government leads an executive branch that is separate from the legislative branch. We are a Constitutional Republic, because our Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and we are a republic because the affairs of government are the common sphere of all American citizens. We take part in government through our Representative Democracy, where instead of all 325 million of us voting on all things together, we elect representatives to represent us in the government and act on our behalf.

We are both a democracy and a republic, and those terms do not contradict each other as we have defined them. Now, if we were a direct democracy you could make the argument we were not a Representative Government and by some definitions not a Republic, but that gets into technicalities which do not apply to the United States, or indeed most nations. Switzerland has strong elements of direct democracy, but they are still a republic after all.
 
Mashmont said:
The forum's leftwingers have worked night and day like loyal foot soldiers to peddle the talking points issued them by the Marxist leadership
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They have no Marxist leadership, because they are not Marxists. The main thing in Marxism is the question of private ownership of the means of production and the associated possibility of exploiting labor. American leftists never raise this issue, they are trotskyist lackeys of transnational financial capital. That is, they are the enemies of the working people.
 
Mashmont said:
But you did back off. You talked about having video of Trump expressly ordering his followers to breach the Capital building. You never produced it, and now you’ve changed the subject.
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Not at all...dont lie. And I have all the Democrats and many of the Republicans that agree with me :LOL:

No one said 'expressly ordering' and that's not what's needed for the charges and impeachment they are developing. You should educate yourself more. Or listen to sources other than the far-right...they continue to dupe you.

I dont have to produce it...Congress is working on it...both sides. They clearly have stated that the charges are viewed in the context of the entire circumstances. Heh, it's sad that you depend on things being black and white for you to understand...that's what your Catholic cult has bred in you all your life...follow and not question authority.
 
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