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Question fo Democrats about 2020

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Hi all,

Was hoping to have a reasonable none Trump conversation about who you personally would like to see run against him in 2020. I was looking over the usual suspects and maybe I'm somewhat biased, but I honestly don't think any of them would stand a chance, especially if the economy and foreign policy wins keep stacking up for Trump. So, notwithstanding the usual suspects any dark horses any of you might want to see, can you give a brief reason why?

Thanks,
Tim-
 
Well the latest rage seems to be Biden. He’ll be 78 and a moderate dem by all accounts. That won’t sit well with the socialists wing who seem to be gaining some ground. The Democratic Party is in free fall right now. They don’t know who they are any more. The only message they have seems to be we the trump, and free everything for everyone socialist bs. It should be interesting.
 
Hicup said:
Hi all,

Was hoping to have a reasonable none Trump conversation about who you personally would like to see run against him in 2020. I was looking over the usual suspects and maybe I'm somewhat biased, but I honestly don't think any of them would stand a chance, especially if the economy and foreign policy wins keep stacking up for Trump. So, notwithstanding the usual suspects any dark horses any of you might want to see, can you give a brief reason why?

Thanks,
Tim-
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Any candidate we put up will get a plurality of the votes in 2020. It doesn't matter who it might be.

With the upcoming trillion dollar deficits it's hard to see your point about economics. And we have set back almost every international relationship we have since Trump took office. We've insulted Mexico, Canada. UK, the EU, NATO, the G7. We've torn up Paris, TPP, Iran, and NAFTA. Puerto Rico is still waiting for power. We have children locked in cages. And little rocket man is expanding his rocket and nuclear facilities freely and openly.

That's a lot of chaos for one year.
 
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I'd like to see a Sanders/ Booker ticket. I think it kind of unifies the more centrist Democrats with the new breed of Progressives. I agree that Trump will be hard to beat in terms of the economy, but I think his foreign policy will be a huge downside for him.
 
Howard the Duck said:
Any candidate we put up will get a plurality of the votes in 2020. It doesn't matter who it might be.
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Unfortunately the question wasn't who the voters would most prefer.
 
Hell, I hope Jon Huntsman switches parties. I'd vote Huntsman.

I don't want Bernie. I like the idea of universal health care and I like the idea of expanding government funded higher education (but not his manner of doing it), but he really needs to come up with compelling arguments for why it's worth what it'll cost. I'm very wary of anyone who says "people deserve this! we need to do it! Let's do it because it's right!". Nah, man, you need a bit more. What will it cost, why is it worth that cost, perhaps what else can we slash to make room for it and why does the entire package come out better on a cost-benefit analysis. Plus, he'll be too old.

There really aren't many stand-out Dems right now, which is the problem. Can't do Hunstman (P) Obama (VP) because Obama can't be on a ticket again. (For all my criticisms of him, I'd take another term over Trump any day).

Not Hillary. Please please please not Hillary.




Who's that guy from Va or WV again? Webb? He seemed allright but I never looked in any real depth.



I dunno. Huntsman/Webb or Huntsman/Lieberman maybe. Some sane policy that hovers around the middle but can veer libertarian, put into effect by people who have their heads screwed on properly? Sounds good. I can get over my various disagreements with them on various points for that. Very quickly, in fact.

The added benefit would be the potential for real success to start crowding out the far right and far left. Maybe, even, this could eventually lead to barriers to entry for third parties to diminish. Even if a third party may not win the presidency, we sure as hell need a bigger mix in congress.
 
MrPeanut said:
Unfortunately the question wasn't who the voters would most prefer.
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I answered the question. It does not matter who we run. The GOP want us to discuss this which would allow them to change the subject. Instead we need to concentrate on 2018.

2020 starts in the second week of November 2018. Not a second sooner. That's plenty of time. Trump wants to talk about Pocahontas rather than Vladimir.

This thread is fine. But in real life we need to focus.
 
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Hicup said:
Hi all,

Was hoping to have a reasonable none Trump conversation about who you personally would like to see run against him in 2020. I was looking over the usual suspects and maybe I'm somewhat biased, but I honestly don't think any of them would stand a chance, especially if the economy and foreign policy wins keep stacking up for Trump. So, notwithstanding the usual suspects any dark horses any of you might want to see, can you give a brief reason why?

Thanks,
Tim-
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Not a Democrat but I don't think the nominee has emerged yet. A lot will depend on the shape of the country. The worse the see shape the further left the nominee will be. The better the shape, the more like trump he will be. If they stray from that, they lost before they even started.

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Mr Person said:
Hell, I hope Jon Huntsman switches parties. I'd vote Huntsman.

I don't want Bernie. I like the idea of universal health care and I like the idea of expanding government funded higher education (but not his manner of doing it), but he really needs to come up with compelling arguments for why it's worth what it'll cost. I'm very wary of anyone who says "people deserve this! we need to do it! Let's do it because it's right!". Nah, man, you need a bit more. What will it cost, why is it worth that cost, perhaps what else can we slash to make room for it and why does the entire package come out better on a cost-benefit analysis. Plus, he'll be too old.

There really aren't many stand-out Dems right now, which is the problem. Can't do Hunstman (P) Obama (VP) because Obama can't be on a ticket again. (For all my criticisms of him, I'd take another term over Trump any day).

Not Hillary. Please please please not Hillary.




Who's that guy from Va or WV again? Webb? He seemed allright but I never looked in any real depth.



I dunno. Huntsman/Webb or Huntsman/Lieberman maybe. Some sane policy that hovers around the middle but can veer libertarian, put into effect by people who have their heads screwed on properly? Sounds good. I can get over my various disagreements with them on various points for that. Very quickly, in fact.

The added benefit would be the potential for real success to start crowding out the far right and far left. Maybe, even, this could eventually lead to barriers to entry for third parties to diminish. Even if a third party may not win the presidency, we sure as hell need a bigger mix in congress.
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Huntsman is a male Hillary. A thoughtful politician with zero charisma. Neither of them would get out of the box. Hillary's bridge is burned, for one thing. Democrats do have a problem although I agree it's not as great as the problem Trump would be for Republicans if he is still around and wants to run.
 
JackA said:
Huntsman is a male Hillary. A thoughtful politician with zero charisma. Neither of them would get out of the box. Hillary's bridge is burned, for one thing. Democrats do have a problem although I agree it's not as great as the problem Trump would be for Republicans if he is still around and wants to run.
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Sadly, I didn't have much of a chance to judge his charisma. I suppose that even though I think he'd be quite good as an actual president, he's a hopeless candidate.


Stephen Colbert beat him 6% to 5% in a fake campaign run in South Carolina, soooo....yeah....





But who do the Dems have?
 
Hicup said:
Hi all,

Was hoping to have a reasonable none Trump conversation about who you personally would like to see run against him in 2020. I was looking over the usual suspects and maybe I'm somewhat biased, but I honestly don't think any of them would stand a chance, especially if the economy and foreign policy wins keep stacking up for Trump. So, notwithstanding the usual suspects any dark horses any of you might want to see, can you give a brief reason why?

Thanks,
Tim-
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Trump will not run for reelection. He won't finish his term.

Trump would lose against almost anyone. The only reason he won was because some foolish liberals stayed home. Trump got fewer votes than Romney.

Now I think Trump has done a lot of damage to himself. Only his base love him. I think almost anyone an beat him. They would have so much material to run against him.

Right now, I think Bernie Sanders will be our next president.

Sttrangely, I would vote for Kasich if he swithed to Independent. I like Elizabeth Warren. I think she's smart and honest.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Trump will not run for reelection. He won't finish his term.

Trump would lose against almost anyone. The only reason he won was because some foolish liberals stayed home.
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LMAO are you ****ing kidding?

Trump got fewer votes than Romney.
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He didn't get fewer votes than Romney... You just made that up...

Now I think Trump has done a lot of damage to himself. Only his base love him. I think almost anyone an beat him. They would have so much material to run against him.
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Yeah, run with just anyone. Let's see what happens, LMAO...
 
Hicup said:
Hi all,

Was hoping to have a reasonable none Trump conversation about who you personally would like to see run against him in 2020. I was looking over the usual suspects and maybe I'm somewhat biased, but I honestly don't think any of them would stand a chance, especially if the economy and foreign policy wins keep stacking up for Trump. So, notwithstanding the usual suspects any dark horses any of you might want to see, can you give a brief reason why?

Thanks,
Tim-
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Someone younger and newer to the screen would be their best bet. Who will the Repubs run, got some interesting names not too closely connected to Donald?
 
Hicup said:
Hi all,

Was hoping to have a reasonable none Trump conversation about who you personally would like to see run against him in 2020. I was looking over the usual suspects and maybe I'm somewhat biased, but I honestly don't think any of them would stand a chance, especially if the economy and foreign policy wins keep stacking up for Trump. So, notwithstanding the usual suspects any dark horses any of you might want to see, can you give a brief reason why?

Thanks,
Tim-
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I don't have a name because I am looking for someone fairly unknown but not completely inexperienced.

1. First, anyone who tried and lost the nomination fight before, has reasons WHY he or she lost the nomination fight and usually they will hamper their success again. The same flaws that voters in your own party saw when they rejected you, voters outside of your party will also see. So no to Sanders, no to Biden etc. We just finished making that mistake. Heating up leftovers out of the freezer and trying to make them look like a freshly cooked five course meal is not a great plan.

2. I personally am biased against any candidate who is an virtual amateur and Trump is exhibit A on what happens when you vote in a military general, businessman, or a Cabinet member, a spouse of a politician etc. If you have not run and held elective office before, try your hand at city counsel or mayor or even Congressman BEFORE try your hand at "Political leader of the free world " I want a voting record or some history of what you actually do in elective office, and how you will handle the political challenges before I put your ass there. I like professionalism so I vote for professionals.

3. No sitting Senator who has spent more two terms in the Senate. Those Senior Senators have a terrible track record winning General elections over the last half century. Kennedy was the last sitting Senator to win( prior to Obama) and he did not complete his second term either! But Senators McGovern, Humphrey, Goldwater, Mondale, Dole, Kerry, McCain, all lost. Apparently nothing says 'establishment' and 'Washington insider' to voters like a long senate career. I may think that the experience is wonderful, but time and again voters disagreed with me.

Give me a Representative in the House , or a Governor or a Mayor of a large city who has a brain and some political skills and a remotely liberal platform, and I will be happy
 
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SonOfDaedalus said:
Trump will not run for reelection. He won't finish his term.

Trump would lose against almost anyone. The only reason he won was because some foolish liberals stayed home. Trump got fewer votes than Romney.

Now I think Trump has done a lot of damage to himself. Only his base love him. I think almost anyone an beat him. They would have so much material to run against him.

Right now, I think Bernie Sanders will be our next president.

Sttrangely, I would vote for Kasich if he swithed to Independent. I like Elizabeth Warren. I think she's smart and honest.
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Trump got about 2 million more votes than Romney got.
 
How about this for a young dem ticket?

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Hicup said:
Hi all,

Was hoping to have a reasonable none Trump conversation about who you personally would like to see run against him in 2020. I was looking over the usual suspects and maybe I'm somewhat biased, but I honestly don't think any of them would stand a chance, especially if the economy and foreign policy wins keep stacking up for Trump. So, notwithstanding the usual suspects any dark horses any of you might want to see, can you give a brief reason why?

Thanks,
Tim-
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I would like to see a Biden/Kasich ticket. I know Kasich is a republican, but the way that party is going he might be willing to switch. And after one term, Biden drops out and Kasich runs for the top spot.
 
Howard the Duck said:
I answered the question. It does not matter who we run. The GOP want us to discuss this which would allow them to change the subject. Instead we need to concentrate on 2018.

2020 starts in the second week of November 2018. Not a second sooner. That's plenty of time. Trump wants to talk about Pocahontas rather than Vladimir.

This thread is fine. But in real life we need to focus.
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Spot on

And this exactly why the Dems have said little, they are working the get out the vote for Nov 2018, and are very focused on picking up seats which last year were safely in the Rep corner. One battle at a time, win in 2018, take this country back.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Trump will not run for reelection. He won't finish his term.

Trump would lose against almost anyone. The only reason he won was because some foolish liberals stayed home. Trump got fewer votes than Romney.

Now I think Trump has done a lot of damage to himself. Only his base love him. I think almost anyone an beat him. They would have so much material to run against him.

Right now, I think Bernie Sanders will be our next president.

Sttrangely, I would vote for Kasich if he swithed to Independent. I like Elizabeth Warren. I think she's smart and honest.
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The Helsinki Humilation was a low point, one the Dems will use as ammunition this Fall. A low point in the history of Presidental foreign policy. And for those Republicans in Congress who refused to call out Trump for his actions, you have been warned of the TV ads to come from the Dems this Fall.
 
Mr Person said:
Hell, I hope Jon Huntsman switches parties. I'd vote Huntsman.

I don't want Bernie. I like the idea of universal health care and I like the idea of expanding government funded higher education (but not his manner of doing it), but he really needs to come up with compelling arguments for why it's worth what it'll cost. I'm very wary of anyone who says "people deserve this! we need to do it! Let's do it because it's right!". Nah, man, you need a bit more. What will it cost, why is it worth that cost, perhaps what else can we slash to make room for it and why does the entire package come out better on a cost-benefit analysis. Plus, he'll be too old.

There really aren't many stand-out Dems right now, which is the problem. Can't do Hunstman (P) Obama (VP) because Obama can't be on a ticket again. (For all my criticisms of him, I'd take another term over Trump any day).

Not Hillary. Please please please not Hillary.




Who's that guy from Va or WV again? Webb? He seemed allright but I never looked in any real depth.



I dunno. Huntsman/Webb or Huntsman/Lieberman maybe. Some sane policy that hovers around the middle but can veer libertarian, put into effect by people who have their heads screwed on properly? Sounds good. I can get over my various disagreements with them on various points for that. Very quickly, in fact.

The added benefit would be the potential for real success to start crowding out the far right and far left. Maybe, even, this could eventually lead to barriers to entry for third parties to diminish. Even if a third party may not win the presidency, we sure as hell need a bigger mix in congress.
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Lieberman's the guy who shot down the public option fer chrissakes, and you think he's going to support universal health care?
 
independentusa said:
I would like to see a Biden/Kasich ticket. I know Kasich is a republican, but the way that party is going he might be willing to switch. And after one term, Biden drops out and Kasich runs for the top spot.
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I like Kasich, my one issue preventing me from voting for him is his prehistoric views on medical marijuana. They are out of line with his own party. But Kasich does have integrity, a leadership quality sorely lacking in the current WH occupant.
 
Hicup said:
Hi all,

Was hoping to have a reasonable none Trump conversation about who you personally would like to see run against him in 2020. I was looking over the usual suspects and maybe I'm somewhat biased, but I honestly don't think any of them would stand a chance, especially if the economy and foreign policy wins keep stacking up for Trump. So, notwithstanding the usual suspects any dark horses any of you might want to see, can you give a brief reason why?

Thanks,
Tim-
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A person listed as Very Conservative wants to know who Dems might back for 2020.
The truth? Nobody knows yet but one thing's for sure, it's not going to be a Republican hiding in Democrat shoes, so you can forget that idea, and it's not going to be a recycled neoliberal from the 80's or 90's.
We had that with Hillary.

The Democratic Party isn't serving the needs of its voters by continually appeasing the Republican Party or by pushing further and further to the Right. The country has already drifted too FAR to the Right, which is why we're seeing naked ambition from authoritarian types and extremists on the Right right now, and sometimes violent backlash from extremists on the Left.
That's a sign that things are too far in the wrong direction.

What the party needs is a good old fashioned liberal, who promotes liberal ideas, liberal platforms, liberal answers to problems created by selfish and naked self serving tyrants from the Right. I do not even remotely expect conservative or "very conservative" persons to understand what those liberal ideas are, because I know that conservatives have their own belief system that they use to inform themselves as to what liberals are.
And much of that is misinformation which I have no intention of countering in this thread, because I am not here to sell Democrats to conservatives. It's not our job.
And many conservatives aren't even interested in learning what liberals really want or what they think, not if it conflicts with what they've been told already by other conservatives.
I'm also not interested in hearing what candidate conservatives think would be good for the Democratic Party.

And, at the moment, the focus is on what to do about the November midterm elections. After that, we can start focusing on 2020.
 
yankintx said:
I like Kasich, my one issue preventing me from voting for him is his prehistoric views on medical marijuana. They are out of line with his own party. But Kasich does have integrity, a leadership quality sorely lacking in the current WH occupant.
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If you give a gop like Kasich a stake in a marijuana company, like Boehner and Gary Johnson, his views on marihuana will ‘evolve’.
 
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