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Parti Québécois (PQ) leader Pauline Marois claims her proposed Charter of Quebec Values shares a similar noble purpose, positing that by banning public sector workers from donning conspicuous religious symbols, Quebec’s secularized society will be prevented from relapsing into a religiously-dominated state*** — resulting in equality for all Quebecers.
Is this a step to avoid Muslim immigration with the burkas and veils, etc. that have caused France so much trouble?
Is this a step to avoid Muslim immigration with the burkas and veils, etc. that have caused France so much trouble?
Maybe xenophobic, but I am not sure what they are talking about for
"conspicuous religious symbols" .
Doesn't Canada have Public Catholic schools?
I think it is a great idea, but many in the US would think that
stepped over the Church State boundary.
My guess would be advance notice to prospective immigrants so that there are no misunderstandings on arrival. What do you think?
My guess would be advance notice to prospective immigrants so that there are no misunderstandings on arrival. What do you think?
Prohibiting any regalia or attire that can be deemed as religious in public sector.
If this passes, Quebec is denying Canada's customs and religious freedom.
Quebec bill CHARTER OF QUEBEC VALUES to be voted on.
rather bigoted view don't you think?
The Varsity » The Charter of Quebec Values is not the new Bill 101
Not really. It sure doesn't jive with my understanding of "free excercise thereof..." Canada has different laws though.
From the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms:
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.
From he Quebec Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms:
3. Every person is the possessor of the fundamental freedoms, including freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, freedom of opinion, freedom of expression, freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of association.
Prohibiting any regalia or attire that can be deemed as religious in public sector.
If this passes, Quebec is denying Canada's customs and religious freedom.
Quebec bill CHARTER OF QUEBEC VALUES to be voted on.
rather bigoted view don't you think?
The Varsity » The Charter of Quebec Values is not the new Bill 101
Not really. It sure doesn't jive with my understanding of "free excercise thereof..." Canada has different laws though.
One example given, which I hadn't thought about previously and is quite provocative, was a Jewish couple going to City Hall to get married civilly and the City official who performs the ceremony is wearing Muslim modesty coverings.
"Free exercise thereof" must also include "free exercise from" don't you think?
Sure it does. I wouldn't have a problem with the couple in your example requesting a different official but anybody should be free to practice their own religion. Would this Jewish couple have a fit if the official was wearing a cross - a symbol of his Christianity? If so, should the official be stopped from wearing a cross? Good luck getting that one past American conservatives.
Of course neither of these officials is obstructing their ability to be married by a rabbi, which would be their freedom to exercise their religion.
Secondly, do you think a Jewish couple who asked for a different person to officiate over their marriage in such a scenario wouldn't be accused of religious intolerance and bigotry and when government is not supposed to promote any particular religion why should they be put in such a situation. Why should they be forced into a religious service when they don't want any religious component to their marriage and all of a sudden they find a devote Muslim woman officiating. It wouldn't bother me, but then no person should be put in that situation when accessing a secular goverment service.
Whatever they're "accused of" in a court of public opinion, they have the right to ask for someone else. Or should, at least.
Personally, I'm on the side of no outward religious symbols, but I don't think it would fly in the US. You see how the culture warriors scream when a business tells its employees they can't wear a cross. But that's a big difference between Americans and Canadians (That along with Timbits and a love for Don Cherry). Canadian government operates more on a European model than ours does, so the expectation of secularism is greater.
Prohibiting any regalia or attire that can be deemed as religious in public sector.
If this passes, Quebec is denying Canada's customs and religious freedom.
Quebec bill CHARTER OF QUEBEC VALUES to be voted on.
rather bigoted view don't you think?
The Varsity » The Charter of Quebec Values is not the new Bill 101
Sounds like a copy of French laicism here. I'm absolutely no fan of it but it's not racist or bigoted. It's more like taking the separation of state and religion to its extreme. The idea seems to be that people in their role as representatives of the state should appear religiously neutral, just as the state is religiously neutral.
The reason this is bigoted is that for the most part it seems to aimed at minorities like Sikhs, Muslims, and Jews. What is the issue with having a teacher or daycare worker wearing a hijab or a kippa? I can forgive some older Quebeckers for supporting this because they would still remember when Quebec was practically a theocracy. Actually there would still be a large portion of the Quebec that still remembers when religion ruled Quebec.
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