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Q Club Shooter's Dad: 'At Least He Wasn't Gay'

Lutherf said:
"... seems to be the result of a total cluster**** of a family and, just maybe, THAT has more to do with the shooter being so far off the rails than politics do."
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Hate to break it to you but it's not like polly-ticks and cluster***k family upbringing exist in separate spaces.
 
According to the Times, The deadliest mass shooting in the country so far this year was the massacre in which 19 children and two teachers were killed at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, on May 24. It happened 10 days after 10 people were shot and killed in a supermarket in Buffalo.


Nov. 22: Chesapeake, Va.​

A longtime store manager at a Walmart opened fire in a break room as the store was preparing to close for the night, killing six people, the authorities said. The gunman was found dead, apparently from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to the police.


Nov. 20: Colorado Springs​

At least five people were killed and 18 injured in a shooting at an L.G.B.T.Q. nightclub. The gunman was injured and taken to a hospital.


Nov. 13: Charlottesville, Va.​

Three University of Virginia students, all of whom were players on the football team, were killed and two were wounded when a gunman, a former football player, opened fire in a garage after a field trip to see a play in Washington.
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Despite these massacres and countless more, the NRA-sponsored Republican Party refuses to allow meaningful federal gun regulations to keep guns out of the hands of the deranged and the criminal element. They quickly change the subject from the mass murders which are occurring every week to a question of Second Amendment rights.

The ludicrous argument targets the educationally challenged that make up the Republican base in America's rural counties.

No one with a high school diploma can accept this laughable argument.

There are two separate issues that are mutually exclusive.

Every American of legal age and no negative history has a right to bear arms. No American has the right to arm himself with an assault rifle or automatic pistol and senselessly murder other Americans.

But the Republican Party refuses to admit the difference between a Constitutional right and mass murder.
 
Geoist said:
According to the Daily Beast, Brink "praised [Aldrich] for violent behavior really early. I told him it works. It is instant and you'll get immediate results."
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And pops is a good christian mormon? There are sadly way too many other 'fathers' like this in america.
 
KingLeo said:
So the Dad can live with his son being a mass murderer but OMG if he was gay that would be where he draws the line?
Is it any wonder the son turned out like he did?
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Gays to to hell. Mass murderers go to heaven. It’s in the Bible.
 
Lutherf said:
FWIW, the father isn't the one that killed 5 people. The father also wasn't all that associated with the shooter. They last saw each other over a decade ago and, according to the interview, talked once since then just last year.

Anyway, the father is a meth head that seems to be incredibly screwed up by his drug use. The kid, the shooter, is obviously also screwed up and that one seems to have slept through his arraignment today. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the mother probably isn't a winner either. What you've got here seems to be the result of a total cluster**** of a family and, just maybe, THAT has more to do with the shooter being so far off the rails than politics do.
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You are right in that politics did not drive these people off the rails.

But why are these "off the rails" people driven to the party of Trump? Is it the anti gay, anti government pro gun agenda?
 
Citizen said:
If he is not gay, then why does he use the they them pronouns. Well I guess he is non-binary is that supposed to be better than being gay? Just asking
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That's a cover story faked up to minimise the news damage from his conservative family. It's occupying headline space.
Mummy was an arsonist! Grandpa is a MAGAt elected official in California.
 
Candyman said:
I am no longer shocked nor surprised by bigot douchebags like this. There are a shit ton of them in America and they generally vote Republican.
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It's a complicated topic how our country slid to this, but I have to think that a decline in political leadership, and an increase in money in politics that panders to people to get votes, and media silos, all contribute. People used to get Walter Cronkite it or not and it was fringe for right-wing groups to groom them, but now they can get Hannity and his ilk as their only media.
 
So, it's not cool to be gay but to obviously use some kind illegal drugs and work in porn? OK.

I wonder if he has been molesting his son, and too afraid to fight back, wanted to dispense his anger on those targets as surrogates. As an advocate, I've seen all kinds of weird rationalizations for people doing the unthinkable.
 
Craig234 said:
It's a complicated topic how our country slid to this, but I have to think that a decline in political leadership, and an increase in money in politics that panders to people to get votes, and media silos, all contribute. People used to get Walter Cronkite it or not and it was fringe for right-wing groups to groom them, but now they can get Hannity and his ilk as their only media.
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In all seriousness. I know I just toss shit around here because I don’t really care enough to think I’ll change anyone’s mind about things. But every time there’s a shooting or some episode of racism or bigotry I wonder how we’re ever going to change. I know it has to boil down to more and more people standing up and saying these things are not right. Parents. Teachers. Community leaders. There needs to be a sea change in attitudes before we’ll see meaningful long term progress. In each successive generation there need to be less scum like the twat in the OP. That’s really the bottom line. I agree that alternative media can be a catalyst. Dicks like Hannity or Alex Jones or Charlie Kirk or even loud voices on the left like Joy Reid or whoever provide a huge dose of confirmation bias to people who are already one or two steps from crossing the line. But as we’ve seen that makes a shit load of money for networks and the hosts so they’ll keep it up. I don’t know what the perfect answer is. But at the very least I think people need to learn to respect the value of life and not get far enough down the road to do things like this.
 
Candyman said:
In all seriousness. I know I just toss shit around here because I don’t really care enough to think I’ll change anyone’s mind about things. But every time there’s a shooting or some episode of racism or bigotry I wonder how we’re ever going to change. I know it has to boil down to more and more people standing up and saying these things are not right. Parents. Teachers. Community leaders. There needs to be a sea change in attitudes before we’ll see meaningful long term progress. In each successive generation there need to be less scum like the twat in the OP. That’s really the bottom line. I agree that alternative media can be a catalyst. Dicks like Hannity or Alex Jones or Charlie Kirk or even loud voices on the left like Joy Reid or whoever provide a huge dose of confirmation bias to people who are already one or two steps from crossing the line. But as we’ve seen that makes a shit load of money for networks and the hosts so they’ll keep it up. I don’t know what the perfect answer is. But at the very least I think people need to learn to respect the value of life and not get far enough down the road to do things like this.
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I was with you until the false equivalency of Joy Reid or similar. She is nothing like the problems with the right, and she is doing nothing wrong. If she triggers you or others, it's not her at fault for it.
 
Craig234 said:
I was with you until the false equivalency of Joy Reid or similar. She is nothing like the problems with the right, and she is doing nothing wrong. If she triggers you or others, it's not her at fault for it.
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Forgive me. I struggle to find people on the left who cater in the same manner as the CEC. But I wanted to try to give equal time. I don’t really pay much attention to Joy but some of the things I see are sometimes a bit reactionary. Ultimately the point I was hoping to make is that the fringes in our society have found voice in the new media and on the internet and it definitely has had a not-positive effect on the overall discourse in America.
 
Craig234 said:
It's a complicated topic how our country slid to this, but I have to think that a decline in political leadership, and an increase in money in politics that panders to people to get votes, and media silos, all contribute. People used to get Walter Cronkite it or not and it was fringe for right-wing groups to groom them, but now they can get Hannity and his ilk as their only media.
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Don't forget killing off public education by a thousand tiny cuts.
 
Manc Skipper said:
That's a cover story faked up to minimise the news damage from his conservative family. It's occupying headline space.
Mummy was an arsonist! Grandpa is a MAGAt elected official in California.
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Got it
 
Lutherf said:
What you've got here seems to be the result of a total cluster**** of a family and, just maybe, THAT has more to do with the shooter being so far off the rails than politics do.
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Right, because these clusterf*** families are completely sheltered and uninfluenced from the hateful politics of Tucker Carlson, Matt Walsh, and Nick Fuentes. Get real, dude.
 
Dans La Lune said:
I wonder if this family's hatred of gays played any part in the shooting. I would bet money on it.

And yes, I'm well aware of the defense's claim that the shooter is non-binary. It doesn't change anything other than that, if true, the shooter hated his own community. Probably for the aforementioned reasons.

Blacks can be racist against blacks. Gays can be bigoted against gays. Transgendered people can hate other transgendered people.

America is the land of fear, loathing and hatred -- and anyone can easily get a gun to express their feelings.
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Conservatives like to conveniently forget that Dave Rubin and Blair White exist.
 
Geoist said:
Biological dad of Q Club shooter: "And then I find out it was at the gay bar. And I was like, 'Oh my god, is he gay!?!' I was scared as shit, 'Oh my god, is he gay!?!' and he's not gay so it's like 'Phewww!!"

"I am a Mormon. I am a conservative Republican. And we don't do gay."

The rotten apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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He's clearly high in the tiny bits of interview. But they say biological father... Why make that distinction unless he was adopted. The guy in this video was also on some sort of rehab show so he likely was either a terrible influence on the shooter or a secret shame.

What a mess.
 
Geoist said:
Right, because these clusterf*** families are completely sheltered and uninfluenced from the hateful politics of Tucker Carlson, Matt Walsh, and Nick Fuentes. Get real, dude.
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So this guy is a meth addict because of Matt Walsh?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Don't forget killing off public education by a thousand tiny cuts.
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I suspect the other things are a much bigger part of it. Public education has never really fixed this, the one thing that could help a bit that's been cut was more civics.
 
Candyman said:
Forgive me. I struggle to find people on the left who cater in the same manner as the CEC. But I wanted to try to give equal time. I don’t really pay much attention to Joy but some of the things I see are sometimes a bit reactionary. Ultimately the point I was hoping to make is that the fringes in our society have found voice in the new media and on the internet and it definitely has had a not-positive effect on the overall discourse in America.
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I understand, but think it's a mistake to try for equivalency regardless of the truth about it. Part of understanding the situation is how there isn't remotely equivalency. Even if I find 'fringe' left-wing youtubers, they tend to be far more fact-based and not comparable. Part of that might be that the right has so much crazy that there's no need not to be accurate. How do you need to exaggerate traitor trump, Green, Boebert, Gaetz, Lake?
 
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