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Putin owned Trump

Roadvirus said:
Heaven forbid Ukraine, the victim in this narrative, be allowed to rearm & re-fortify against Russia, the criminal of this narrative, should Russia decide to violate the ceasefire (which would highly likely happen). :rolleyes:
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It sucks. But its besides the point. War is a Logic of Force. If Ukraine was having the upper hand it will not accept a request for unconditional ceasefire from Russia. It will place conditions on the ceasefire. Russia would not be allowed to rearm and re fortify during the ceasefire. It is just the unpleasant reality of the Logic of Force. Nothing to do with angels and demons:)



Roadvirus said:
He's got the Euros on his side. Trump's got nothing but 4 Joker cards.
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Trump should fold
 
Maybe Putin gave DonOld a good swift kick in the cankles? (or bonespurs?)
 
Roadvirus said:
They'll be like Johnny in the Charlie Daniels song.

Trump will play like a drunk with an BAC of 0.19
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Trump will fold tomorrow. Zelensky is not coming alone this time. He has a high powered A Team composed of Starmer, Merz, Macron, Meloni and some guy from Finland will be flanking Zelensky this time.

I think this war is winding to a close. Trump has made rapid progress. The Europeans, Russians, Ukrainians have committed in principle. What's left is hashing out the details
 
Roadvirus said:
Shame on Zelensky for wanting to keep HIS country intact :rolleyes:
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That's incorrect. Wanting to keep Ukraine intact is a different thing from his claim that he cannot give away the Donbass. He does not possess Donbass and so is in no position to give it away
 
MAGAnificent said:
the Bristish monarch is technically your head of state, even if it is just ceremonial in your commonwealth status. The US at least kicked out the monarchy.
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Are you on the wrong thread?

This is about your emasclated POTUS.
 
Juin said:
Trump will fold tomorrow. Zelensky is not coming alone this time. He has a high powered A Team composed of Starmer, Merz, Macron, Meloni and some guy from Finland will be flanking Zelensky this time.

I think this war is winding to a close. Trump has made rapid progress. The Europeans, Russians, Ukrainians have committed in principle. What's left is hashing out the details
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Trump hasn't done shit. All he has done is flap his jaw and kiss Putin's ass.
 
Top Cat said:
Trump hasn't done shit. All he has done is flap his jaw and kiss Putin's ass.
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All parties are frantically putting forward their conditions. That's the prelude to the end
 
Mycroft said:
Call it what you want. If the war ends, that's a good thing.
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You are the type of person to be saying that in 2014 when Russia invaded and captured Crimea. You're saying that now and you would be saying this as well in another 10 years when Putin decides he wants more of Ukraine.

dandolo2k said:
This is another blathering of globalists war mongers trying to raise the stakes. Ceding a part of territory and freezing font lines IS NOT A CAPITULATION.
CAPITULATION is when the whole army is disbanded, and the government is replaced by military administration of occupying power.
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We all know any freezing is to allow Russia to bring in more Norks, more bodies to throw at the front line and try and capture more of Ukraine.

Juin said:
A ceasefire also meant an embattled Ukraine could repair its fortifications; build new ones; receive more arms from the Eu. Meaning at the end of the ceasefire Russia would be facing a much more powerful adversary than before the ceasefire. Parties at war contemplating a ceasefire always take care to ensure that the other side does not improve its situation during the ceasefire
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In February, I remember JANFU talking about how Russia would use the forthcoming ceasefire to rebuild forces in Zaporizhzhia and launch a summer offensive and that is exactly what happened.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
You are the type of person to be saying that in 2014 when Russia invaded and captured Crimea.
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Actually, I'm not.

I blame that on Obama. He's was only slightly less weak that Puppet Joe.
 
Juin said:
All parties are frantically putting forward their conditions. That's the prelude to the end
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I think there would be probably some compromise some minor concessions on Russian side, like "Ukraine will not be allowed to join NATO but still would be able to use Article 5 for protection".
However this formula will not allow to place Western military bases on Ukrainian territory.
And yet Western powers will have to acknowledge independence of Donbass and Crimea.
 
j brown's body said:
lol, be straightforward please. You want Putin to have sovereignty over Donbass and Crimea.

But even then, you're wrong. Putin has made it clear he wants sovereignty of all of Ukraine.
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I haven't seen anywhere how "Pootin has made it clear he wants sovereignty of all of Ukraine"
This is is your fantasy.
However he probably could stated that "if the West doesn't want the split of Ukraine, Russia will have to take over ALL Ukraine".
And in this wording it would be the rock-solid truth.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
In February, I remember JANFU talking about how Russia would use the forthcoming ceasefire to rebuild forces in Zaporizhzhia and launch a summer offensive and that is exactly what happened.
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But there has been no ceasefire.
 
dandolo2k said:
"Pootin's "Easter truce"" was observed only by Russia.
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The Easter truce ultimately failed to significantly de-escalate the conflict, with both sides accusing the other of violations and the fighting resuming shortly after the declared ceasefire period ended.
 
dandolo2k said:
He's supporting peace negotiations because ALL OTHER OPTIONS of PRESSURE ON RUSSIA FAILED.
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No they have not failed. Trump has refused to use any options to pressure Russia so it is not surprising that Putin has not budged on his demands. That will need to change because Zelensky will not be alone this time in his meeting with Trump. No less than 5 European leaders will be with him to explain to Trump that Ukraine will not surrender and no lands will be ceded to the aggressor. When Trump yells "You have no cards" again he will just look to his right and beg to differ. Trump is the one that has not played a single card to pressure Putin for peace. His meeting with Putin was the weakest display by any President ever.
 
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iguanaman said:
No they have not failed. Trump has refused to use any options to pressure Russia so it is not surprising that Putin has not budged on his demands. That will need to change because Zelensky will not be alone this time in his meeting with Trump. No less than 5 European leaders will be with him to explain to Trump that Ukraine will not surrender and no lands will be ceded to the aggressor.
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Not "ceded" but "returned". If no stolen lands will be returned by the aggressor Ukraine, then no ceasefire will be agreed.
And finally any lands demand will be dropped altogether when the whole Ukraine will be demilitarized and denazified, This time Ukraine will become and internal business of Russia.
 
dandolo2k said:
Not "ceded" but "returned". If no stolen lands will be returned by the aggressor Ukraine, then no ceasefire will be agreed.
And finally any lands demand will be dropped altogether when the whole Ukraine will be demilitarized and denazified, This time Ukraine will become and internal business of Russia.
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LOL Really? How long do you think that might take? At the rate they are going it will take over 100 years to conquer all of Ukraine as well as the deaths of many millions of Russians. Long before that happens Russia's fascist dictator will be gone and Russia will have given up all it's colonies forever. It will be a tiny country of dirt roads and outhouses trying to eek out a meager existence and begging for help from Ukraine. Ukraine will give them help too. Ukraine believes in helping it neighbors not invading them.
 
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iguanaman said:
LOL Really? How long do you think that might take? At the rate they are going it will take over 100 years to conquer all of Ukraine as well as the deaths of many millions of Russians. Long before that happens Russia's fascist dictator will be gone and Russia will have given up all it's colonies forever.
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keep dreaming your rosy dreams.
Russian haven't lost even a half of million for 3 years.
And Western Ukraine is running out of soldiers.
The Western powers will not print on 3d printer new Ukrainian soldiers despite all of their super technologies.
 
dandolo2k said:
keep dreaming your rosy dreams.
Russian haven't lost even a half of million for 3 years.
And Western Ukraine is running out of soldiers.
The Western powers will not print on 3d printer new Ukrainian soldiers despite all of their super technologies.
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Europe will likely send in men to support Ukraine's frontline soldiers behind the lines. That will free up many more Ukrainians to join the fight for their freedom. France has already volunteered to do that.
 
iguanaman said:
Europe will likely send in men to support Ukraine's frontline soldiers behind the lines. That will free up many more Ukrainians to join the fight for their freedom. France has already volunteered to do that.
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keep dreaming. Europe will send nobody. No fools are ready to die in Ukraine .
Macron can murmur whatever he likes , but French guys will not go to Ukraine .
Do you know that Macron personally urged French companies NOT TO EXIT Russian market ?
But you can go and fight yourself.
Ukraine will benefit much more then from you LIES and falsehoods that you are pushing here.
 
dandolo2k said:
keep dreaming. Europe will send nobody. No fools are ready to die in Ukraine .
Macron can murmur whatever he likes , but French guys will not go to Ukraine .
Do you know that Macron personally urged French companies NOT TO EXIT Russian market ?
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Yet Renault pulled out of Russia entirely, took billions in losses and told Putin they would never return.
 
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