Putin Asks Reporter If US 'Assassinated' Ashli Babbitt

[AGENT J]

I can't - the stupid people already believe that an unarmed 130-pound woman was going to storm the hallway, break down a locked, 300lb solid mahogany door and quickly snap the necks of the armed guards inside before dragging Congress out singlehandedly to the 4ft. noose that was set up a half mile away.

LMAO So much irony here . . .

i love the triggered meltdown responses full of made up retarded lies like this all in a failed attempt to create a false narrative and defend a piece of shit, qanon nutter terrorist that got herself killed during a failed coup/ressurection LMAO

This textbook shoot of a person attacking our countries capital makes them so upset it hilarious, yet none of them can provide one single fact that makes this shoot a bad shoot based on legality . . . not one. I love it.

 

[calamity]

LMAO So much irony here . . .

I just call it telling lies.

 

[Overitall]

So, let me get this straight. You're whining about the CP shooting one person, because you rather that they had shot a hundred.

Right Wing Logic ^

Not whining about it. Questioning the logic of shooting someone at that particular barricade rather than any other. The defense/argument some are making is that she tried to break through a barricade and therefore deserved to be shot. Fine, if the standard is breaking through a barricade warrants shooting someone then what makes the others irrelevant? I’m trying to understand the logic of that.

 

[AGENT J]

I just call it telling lies.

That would also be accurate, along with hypocrisy

 

[Overitall]

There was an obvious difference between the barricades in question here (adding to what others have already posted). Those barricades outside, in front of the building were designed, meant to be keeping people out by their very purpose. They can be just a general warning of "keep out".

But when people stack up office furniture behind a door to keep a mob out it shows one purpose, that they fear that mob coming in. The normal function for office furniture, unlike the barricades in front of Congress, outside, is to work on, sit on, store stuff inside, not to act as heavy objects to make it difficult for a mob, where at least some are threatening others within the barricaded space, to come into that area. Such an unconventional use of such objects shows that the people inside that area felt that the mob outside that area were a threat to them and that they did not have a safe place to evacuate too without the mob catching them, likely doing them some sort of harm.

The “Redline” argument didn’t work out very well for Obama either. The cops could have used tear gas on the crowd to disperse them while they were still outside.

 

[AGENT J]

Not whining about it. Questioning the logic of shooting someone at that particular barricade rather than any other. The defense/argument some are making is that she tried to break through a barricade and therefore deserved to be shot. Fine, if the standard is breaking through a barricade warrants shooting someone then what makes the others irrelevant? I’m trying to understand the logic of that.

Climbing through the barrier makes it a legal shoot and puts her in the position to be shot
Who said the others are "irrelevant" to that fact?

Pointing a gun at a police officer is something else that can put a person in a position to legally be shot, doesn't mean every person to do that has been shot

Sounds like you are trying to set up a false narrative that completely fails.

But by all means, if you have one single fact that makes this a bad shoot based on legality simply present it in your next post.

 

[roguenuke]

Not whining about it. Questioning the logic of shooting someone at that particular barricade rather than any other. The defense/argument some are making is that she tried to break through a barricade and therefore deserved to be shot. Fine, if the standard is breaking through a barricade warrants shooting someone then what makes the others irrelevant? I’m trying to understand the logic of that.

The other barricades did not have uninvolved, targeted civilians within easy access, without a safe way out behind them. And those barriers had others in between. There were still several layers of protection, several barricades and armed guards between those attacking and their targets, those in danger. Only so many people could be safely evacuated at a time, and any evacuation comes with risks of being overwhelmed, especially if the outer barricades are not preventing people from getting inside. The threat is much higher in nature when it is right at your bedroom door compared to climbing over your fence while you are locked inside your bedroom.

 

[ClaraD]

Putin Asks Reporter If US 'Assassinated' Ashli Babbitt

Days ahead of his summit with President Biden in Geneva, Russian President Vladimir Putin said the U

townhall.com

its sad that Putin, knowing a thing or two about political persecutionin both his past and present, has to be the one who brings that up. it seems the whole world sees what this administration is doing, and what it is not doing. of all the attention on the "insurrectionists" we still know nothing about the justification for the babbitt shooting. being clearly on video, there doesn't seem to be much justification for use of lethal force or the capitol police would have been using it all through the building.

“Secondly, I want to ask you: Did you order the assassination of the woman who walked into the Congress and who was shot and killed by a policeman?” Putin said. “Do you know that 450 individuals were arrested after entering Congress? And they didn’t go there to steal a laptop. They came with political demands. 450 people have been detained. They’re facing jail time, from 15 to 20 years. And they came to Congress with political demands. Isn’t that persecution for political opinions?”

the government did not kill her....she had no right breaking in to the US capitol. I would have shot back at him what would his minions do if some protestor tried to break into the Kremlin...my bets is they would all be slaughtered.

 

[ClaraD]

That a Trumper would fawn over what Putin says is self-explanatory.

Once upon a time it was the right that hated Russia....I have always despised them..it was the one thing I shared in common with Republicans.

 

[roguenuke]

The “Redline” argument didn’t work out very well for Obama either. The cops could have used tear gas on the crowd to disperse them while they were still outside.

Yet they didn't. What the cops outside did or did not do has nothing to do with the duties of those inside and their duty to protect those inside the House Chamber. Your argument fails because it essentially is that if the cops outside didn't shoot any of the mob coming inside, then there is no authority for those inside to shoot, regardless of how close they come to those inside the officers are charged to protect. That is not at all reasonable. The most you could say for that is what happened on the outside of the Capitol that day allowing the hostile, violent mob to get so far inside the Capitol should be investigated, with more training or orders or plans of actions put in place to address such situations beforehand. Doesn't change the legitimate shooting that occurred inside in any way.

No idea what Obama's red line policy has to do with this since they are very different things.

 

[Overitall]

Yet they didn't. What the cops outside did or did not do has nothing to do with the duties of those inside and their duty to protect those inside the House Chamber. Your argument fails because it essentially is that if the cops outside didn't shoot any of the mob coming inside, then there is no authority for those inside to shoot, regardless of how close they come to those inside the officers are charged to protect. That is not at all reasonable. The most you could say for that is what happened on the outside of the Capitol that day allowing the hostile, violent mob to get so far inside the Capitol should be investigated, with more training or orders or plans of actions put in place to address such situations beforehand. Doesn't change the legitimate shooting that occurred inside in any way.

No idea what Obama's red line policy has to do with this since they are very different things.

The relevance of the “Redline” point is simply backing up yourself with enforcement. When a line has been crossed backing up only to draw another line isn’t very effective. Once the crowd stepped past that first barricade enforceable action would have been warranted. A good place to start would have been tear gas.

 

[roguenuke]

The relevance of the “Redline” point is simply backing up yourself with enforcement. When a line has been crossed backing up only to draw another line isn’t very effective. Once the crowd stepped past that first barricade enforceable action would have been warranted. A good place to start would have been tear gas.

They didn't just draw another line here. They had multiple lines in place from the start.

Again, what went on outside, should have happened, doesn't relevantly matter to whether a shooting inside was justified. Shoulda, coulda, woulda happened outside cannot, in the moment, be used to determine actions for inside when whatever happened (or did not happen) did not stop the mob from getting in.

 

[Overitall]

They didn't just draw another line here. They had multiple lines in place from the start.

Again, what went on outside, should have happened, doesn't relevantly matter to whether a shooting inside was justified. Shoulda, coulda, woulda happened outside cannot, in the moment, be used to determine actions for inside when whatever happened (or did not happen) did not stop the mob from getting in.

Why are you avoiding my tear gas point?

 

[trouble13]

What I find striking about this Hatfield/McCoy style feud by Conservatives and Progressives is that we have fallen so low that a person like Putin can make a valid comparison between him and us.

The shooting itself is a debatable event. A door was standing between an angry mob and a cop that was in charge of protecting some very important people and things.

The problem is we can't have that debate because the gov is refusing to release important details.

It is all chilling and 3 pages deep into this thread and I can already see the direction of this thread. It is nothing but left vs right finger-pointing instead of everyone demanding the transparency that we once prided ourselves on.

 

[roguenuke]

Why are you avoiding my tear gas point?

Because it has nothing to do with the actions of the officer for the situation that did occur on 1/6, inside the Speaker's Lobby. Whether they should have used tear gas or not, they didn't. Since they didn't, that means that the violent mob made it through those barricades and people into the halls of Congress and places they should not have been, which increased the threat towards those under the guard/protection of Capitol police inside those inner areas, inner Chambers.

 

[roguenuke]

What I find striking about this Hatfield/McCoy style feud by Conservatives and Progressives is that we have fallen so low that a person like Putin can make a valid comparison between him and us.

The shooting itself is a debatable event. A door was standing between an angry mob and a cop that was in charge of protecting some very important people and things.

The problem is we can't have that debate because the gov is refusing to release important details.

It is all chilling and 3 pages deep into this thread and I can already see the direction of this thread. It is nothing but left vs right finger-pointing instead of everyone demanding the transparency that we once prided ourselves on.

He didn't make a valid comparison. That in itself shows the levels that some who want to believe that Ashli Babbitt was murdered, assassinated because she was fighting for something they actually supported have gone to.

 

[Fledermaus]

Oh look, it's the guy who can't answer simple questions.

Who was in imminent danger of being killed or suffering serious bodily harm from Babbitt when she was killed?

Asked and answered ad nauseam.

You simply don't like the answer.

 

[trouble13]

He didn't make a valid comparison. That in itself shows the levels that some who want to believe that Ashli Babbitt was murdered, assassinated because she was fighting for something they actually supported have gone to.

Whether the shooting was justified or not it is being handled in a way that you would expect Russia to do not the USA

 

[roguenuke]

What I find striking about this Hatfield/McCoy style feud by Conservatives and Progressives is that we have fallen so low that a person like Putin can make a valid comparison between him and us.

The shooting itself is a debatable event. A door was standing between an angry mob and a cop that was in charge of protecting some very important people and things.

The problem is we can't have that debate because the gov is refusing to release important details.

It is all chilling and 3 pages deep into this thread and I can already see the direction of this thread. It is nothing but left vs right finger-pointing instead of everyone demanding the transparency that we once prided ourselves on.

We have been having this debate, for almost 6 months now. And the most important information here was in fact the videos that most of us have seen. What other information do you need that would change the facts of this shooting? How would the officer's name change whether the shooting was justified? How exactly does that work?

 

[roguenuke]

Whether the shooting was justified or not it is being handled in a way that you would expect Russia to do not the USA

No. It was investigated. And we all have the video of the shooting. What other exact information do you need and why would that information determine justified shooting or not?

 

[CaughtInThe]

i'm sorry, i have to give major props to the Putins and the Trumps of the world. they are great at conning/playing the marks.

 

[gbg3]

Perhaps we should start asking some very loud questions about how many of the other Trump cultists who weren’t present were complicit in organizing the rampage.... and how many of them are already plotting their next attack.

right. round them up and put them in camps. its all been suggested already. in fact, it was already done, back in the 30s and 40s. perhaps you remember

There were over 70 million Trump voters. Tigerace117, once this kind of thinking starts because someone voted for a different candidate or holds different political views than someone else does, this country is over. How far is your thinking from tanj's pertinent comment, Dems? Are you right there already and is that why it's just fine with you that we have a DC prison full of "Trump cultists" (Tigerace117's term), currently being treated unfairly and certainly differently than any "Biden cultist".
I've spent years on forums like this with people trying to claim I have no morals or ethics because OF THE CANDIDATE I CHOSE TO VOTE FOR. Liberals are consumed with this crazed level of messed up thinking, where they are unable to live side by side with people who don't agree with them. And, now how far do you honestly want that to go, liberals? Are some of you reading comments like this one from Tigerace117 and the follow up from tanj and thinking - that's exactly what should be done with those 70+ million Americans? I think the answer from some of you could be yes, because I think that's how twisted, hateful, and controlling the thinking of some of you has truly become.
I read an interesting 538 piece, yesterday, discussing Biden's disapproval. There is little doubt your "unifying" cult leader (right back atcha) isn't bringing anyone together. How far will this division go? How many people who disagree with you do you Biden cultists want in prison and how comfortable with that are you Biden cultists? IMO, far too comfortable.

Republicans Really, Really Dislike Biden. But It’s Not Just About Him.

Republicans don’t like President Biden very much. Among Republicans, his approval rating sits somewhere between 10 and 20 percent in most recent surveys, and hi…

fivethirtyeight.com

 

[Fledermaus]

Whether the shooting was justified or not it is being handled in a way that you would expect Russia to do not the USA

How so?

 

[trouble13]

We have been having this debate, for almost 6 months now. And the most important information here was in fact the videos that most of us have seen. What other information do you need that would change the facts of this shooting? How would the officer's name change whether the shooting was justified? How exactly does that work?

We don't know the cops mindset. Transparency is required and they are exercising concealment instead.

 

[roguenuke]

We don't know the cops mindset. Transparency is required and they are exercising concealment instead.

Know the cop's mindset? And how is his name going to give you that? This man would face the end of his career because of harassment and threats if his name was released. The facts of the shooting are right there on video for the whole world to see. He was shooting a person breaching the final barricade between an angry mob and those he was charged with protecting.

Had this been a person shot on the WH lawn on the same day because they refused orders to stop, Trump supporters would not be demanding to know the name of the Secret Service agent who shot the person. They would be praising the officer.