Putin Ally Threatens Retaliatory Measures if Austria Joins NATO

[multivita-man]

Putin has promised endless war and has built his entire economy around it.

No, he has not. Russia will end the war when their objectives in Ukraine have been achieved.

Ukraine will not be the end of war for Russia only the beginning. If he ever wins he will conscript Ukrainians to fight his next war. These are not my words they are Putin's. You are apparently a endless war kind of guy and as long as the Russian regime exists you will support them and give them comfort. It is a strange behavior considering Russia is our sworn enemy and would like nothing more than our failure as a nation.

Russia is not our sworn enemy, unless by that you mean that our own national security and intel neocon derp state are the ones doing the swearing. What Russia is doing in Ukraine now is in direct response to our pledges to make Ukraine and Georgia a part of NATO back in 2008.

 

[Tigerace117]

Russia could go right thru Hungary without a peep from Orban. And that is what Medvedev was threatening. Being part of NATO does not mean they run your country. It just means they will come to your aid if you are invaded and request it. That is what a defensive alliance is. You apparently have no clue what NATO is.

I very much doubt Hungary would outright defect like that. Nobody else clearly believes it either, because if they did Hungary would not still be a part of NATO.

Tell that to the Turks NATO’s “stay behinds” there have been involved in multiple coups.

 

[iguanaman]

No, he has not. Russia will end the war when their objectives in Ukraine have been achieved.



Russia is not our sworn enemy, unless by that you mean that our own national security and intel neocon derp state are the ones doing the swearing. What Russia is doing in Ukraine now is in direct response to our pledges to make Ukraine and Georgia a part of NATO back in 2008.

That would be funny if it was not so sad. If Russia is not our sworn enemy why would they post a video of Russian ICBM's hitting Florida? Putin has called us the enemy practically every single month for decades. Russia has started training 3rd graders in combat also. If we had just gone through with those empty "pledges" Ukraine would not be in this bloody war today. That would make you sad I know. You appear to think Russia should be allowed to take any land they want because they have nukes. What are you thinking? That would mean endless war.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

I think I read somewhere he's drunk on the regular. How that is different than your typical Russian male, I'm not so sure, though Putin is supposedly a light drinker and is critical of the country's drinking culture.

If I had to live in a country run by Putin, I would be drunk too.

 

[multivita-man]

That would be funny if it was not so sad. If Russia is not our sworn enemy why would they post a video of Russian ICBM's hitting Florida? Putin has called us the enemy practically every single month for decades. Russia has started training 3rd graders in combat also. If we had just gone through with those empty "pledges" Ukraine would not be in this bloody war today. That would make you sad I know. You appear to think Russia should be allowed to take any land they want because they have nukes. What are you thinking? That would mean endless war.

I think you watch too much TV/online media.

 

[iguanaman]

I think you watch too much TV/online media.

I think you need to stop watching RT. There is nothing but lies there. By the way Russia lost 5 villages that they took with massive losses yesterday. There entire summer offensive is about to be neutralized. The Russian military is corrupt and incompetent and can never win this war on the ground.

 

[Tigerace117]

I think you need to stop watching RT. There is nothing but lies there. By the way Russia lost 5 villages that they took with massive losses yesterday. There entire summer offensive is about to be neutralized. The Russian military is corrupt and incompetent and can never win this war on the ground.

And yet the Ukrainians can’t seem to beat them no matter how many “game changing” western weapons they receive.

People who are winning aren’t talking about attacking Russia with dirty bombs.

 

[multivita-man]

I think you need to stop watching RT.

I don't.

There is nothing but lies there. By the way Russia lost 5 villages that they took with massive losses yesterday. There entire summer offensive is about to be neutralized. The Russian military is corrupt and incompetent and can never win this war on the ground.

I think you're going to be bitterly disappointed in what eventually reveals itself to be the reality.

 

[multivita-man]

I think you need to stop watching RT. There is nothing but lies there. By the way Russia lost 5 villages that they took with massive losses yesterday. There entire summer offensive is about to be neutralized. The Russian military is corrupt and incompetent and can never win this war on the ground.

The only way that Ukraine can conceivably win this war is by truly getting a commitment by NATO (a substantial portion of NATO to put together a coalition of the willing) to assist in destroying Russia's capacity to make war and by committing boots on the ground. Ukraine needs to be able to strike deeper into Russian territory more frequently and to more frequently hit industrial capacity inside Russia - it needs permission to do that. More critically, though, Ukraine needs boots on the ground. Not just random people abducted off the street but actual professionally-trained soldiers who can push back and defeat Russian forces.

Realistically, Ukraine cannot do this on their own. They need NATO to supply them with the highest-grade offensive weapons and to authorize their use, and that is not likely to happen - I say it's unlikely (though not entirely impossible) because there are people on the NATO side who see losing in Ukraine as an existential threat to the West's credibility and prestige, so who knows what lengths they may push us to go to. I'm hoping that there are still enough sane people who remember the rules of the Cold War and who know that if NATO enters the war on Ukraine's behalf, then we have World War Three. I don't think any NATO leader truly believes Ukraine is really worth that, no matter how angry Macron is about the French losing its influence to Russia in Africa.

 

[iguanaman]

The only way that Ukraine can conceivably win this war is by truly getting a commitment by NATO (a substantial portion of NATO to put together a coalition of the willing) to assist in destroying Russia's capacity to make war and by committing boots on the ground. Ukraine needs to be able to strike deeper into Russian territory more frequently and to more frequently hit industrial capacity inside Russia - it needs permission to do that. More critically, though, Ukraine needs boots on the ground. Not just random people abducted off the street but actual professionally-trained soldiers who can push back and defeat Russian forces.

Realistically, Ukraine cannot do this on their own. They need NATO to supply them with the highest-grade offensive weapons and to authorize their use, and that is not likely to happen - I say it's unlikely (though not entirely impossible) because there are people on the NATO side who see losing in Ukraine as an existential threat to the West's credibility and prestige, so who knows what lengths they may push us to go to. I'm hoping that there are still enough sane people who remember the rules of the Cold War and who know that if NATO enters the war on Ukraine's behalf, then we have World War Three. I don't think any NATO leader truly believes Ukraine is really worth that, no matter how angry Macron is about the French losing its influence to Russia in Africa.

Losing Ukraine to Russia is a threat to the security of all of europe. They will do whatever is needed to defeat Russia in Ukraine rather than on their own territory. There are no rules in this war either. Putin cannot use nuclear weapons or he is done. Russia is failing and so is their military so if Putin does not relent Ukraine will regain all their territory when the Russian regime falls. That would be the best outcome for Ukraine and that is why they are so concentrated on destroying as much of Russia oil and gas infrastructure as they can. The drones will hit refineries, pipelines and pumping stations nightly for the rest of this war. Russia is a one trick pony and without their oil and gas revenues they are done.

 

[multivita-man]

Losing Ukraine to Russia is a threat to the security of all of europe. They will do whatever is needed to defeat Russia in Ukraine rather than on their own territory. There are no rules in this war either. Putin cannot use nuclear weapons or he is done.

If it goes that far, we're all done.

Russia is failing and so is their military so if Putin does not relent Ukraine will regain all their territory when the Russian regime falls. That would be the best outcome for Ukraine and that is why they are so concentrated on destroying as much of Russia oil and gas infrastructure as they can. The drones will hit refineries, pipelines and pumping stations nightly for the rest of this war. Russia is a one trick pony and without their oil and gas revenues they are done.

This is deluded.

 

[iguanaman]

And yet the Ukrainians can’t seem to beat them no matter how many “game changing” western weapons they receive.

People who are winning aren’t talking about attacking Russia with dirty bombs.

Putin keeps throwing more meat on the fire and even 30,000 N. Korean troops have joined the fray. Any sane leader would not sacrifice a half million Russians and just go for more. Ukraine is a war of choice and obviously Putin made the wrong one.

 

[iguanaman]

If it goes that far, we're all done.



This is deluded.

LOL What do you call losing 500,000 troops and 11,000 tanks to gain 50 km in over 3.5 YEARS? Winning? Now that is delusional. Your assessment of the Russian military is so far off the mark it isn't funny.

 

[multivita-man]

LOL What do you call losing 500,000 troops and 11,000 tanks to gain 50 km in over 3.5 YEARS? Winning? Now that is delusional. Your assessment of the Russian military is so far off the mark it isn't funny.

What do you call losing more than 20% of Ukraine's total population? You think only women and children left?

 

[iguanaman]

What do you call losing more than 20% of Ukraine's total population? You think only women and children left?

How does 100,000 equal 20% of 38 million? Ukraine has lost 2.6 % in dead while Russian casualties are approaching 1 million.

Russia’s Battlefield Woes in Ukraine​

Fourth, Russian fatalities and casualties have been extraordinary. Russia will likely hit the 1 million casualty mark in the summer of 2025—a stunning and grisly milestone. Overall, a high of 250,000 Russian soldiers have died in Ukraine, with over 950,000 total Russian casualties, a sign of Putin’s blatant disregard for his soldiers. To put these numbers into historical perspective, Russia has suffered roughly five times as many fatalities in Ukraine as in all Russian and Soviet wars combined between the end of World War II and the start of the full-scale invasion in February 2022. In addition, Russian fatalities in Ukraine (in just over three years) are 15 times larger than the Soviet Union’s decade-long war in Afghanistan and 10 times larger than Russia’s 13 years of war in Chechnya.6

Russia has some advantages with a substantial industrial base and an ability to mobilize a much larger number of soldiers. Nevertheless, the Russian military has struggled to conduct ground force operations at scale, overcome prepared Ukrainian defenses, or break through Ukrainian lines to achieve operationally significant gains. The Russian military has also faced challenges with force quality and the loss of experienced officers.25 In spite of heavy losses, the Kremlin has likely pinned its hopes of winning on a U.S. decision to end its military assistance to Ukraine. The next section turns to a more systematic analysis of Russia’s battlefield performance.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-battlefield-woes-ukraine

 

[Luce]

I very much doubt Hungary would outright defect like that.

If they weren't sucking up EU money, they'd do that in a heartbeat.

Nobody else clearly believes it either, because if they did Hungary would not still be a part of NATO.

There is no method by which to eject members from NATO unless they actually attack another NATO country.

 

[Tigerace117]

If they weren't sucking up EU money, they'd do that in a heartbeat.



There is no method by which to eject members from NATO unless they actually attack another NATO country.

Nah, because then their infrastructure gets to handle the strain of tens of thousands of troops moving through it, and that’s not a small thing.

There’s no way on earth NATO would keep someone they think would actively betray them in the organization, because that would be a colossally dumb idea.

 

[Tigerace117]

LOL What do you call losing 500,000 troops and 11,000 tanks to gain 50 km in over 3.5 YEARS? Winning? Now that is delusional. Your assessment of the Russian military is so far off the mark it isn't funny.

Ukraine has lost hundreds of thousands of KIA, in case you hadn’t noticed.

Coming from the guy who claimed Russian tanks could easily be destroyed by machine guns because he saw someone do it in a video game that’s pretty ****ing laughable.

 

[Luce]

Nah, because then their infrastructure gets to handle the strain of tens of thousands of troops moving through it, and that’s not a small thing.

There’s no way on earth NATO would keep someone they think would actively betray them in the organization, because that would be a colossally dumb idea.

Please show me the ejection method as described by the treaty.

 

[multivita-man]

How does 100,000 equal 20% of 38 million? Ukraine has lost 2.6 % in dead while Russian casualties are approaching 1 million.

Ukraine has lost 20% of its total population since the start of the war.

You really believe that Ukraine's AF has only lost 100,000? Ooh man.

 

[Tigerace117]

Please show me the ejection method as described by the treaty.

Please explain, in detail, why anyone should believe an organization suicidal enough to keep people they freely believe will betray them in case of war in said organization would be able to win a war.

Because from what you apparently think, NATO is basically just the Decepticons.

 

[iguanaman]

Ukraine has lost 20% of its total population since the start of the war.

You really believe that Ukraine's AF has only lost 100,000? Ooh man.

You are counting the 7 million refugees that fled to other countries until it is safe to return. Those are not losses. All estimates of Ukrainian war dead are 75 to 100 thousand. What numbers are you making up? Russian losses are at least 3 times higher.

 

[iguanaman]

Please explain, in detail, why anyone should believe an organization suicidal enough to keep people they freely believe will betray them in case of war in said organization would be able to win a war.

Because from what you apparently think, NATO is basically just the Decepticons.

Hungary has a Russian stooge as their dictator and are the poorest country in the EU. They serve as a reminder of what you get when you are taken by Russia. Europe still has hope that Hungarians will overthrow Orban and be ready to join the prosperity that a REAL democracy will provide them. NATO is nothing but a voluntary alliance of democracies and they have not yet given up on Hungary. If Orban allowed Russia a conduit to invade europe they would be subject to the same attacks as the Russians would receive. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

 

[multivita-man]

You are counting the 7 million refugees that fled to other countries until it is safe to return. Those are not losses. All estimates of Ukrainian war dead are 75 to 100 thousand. What numbers are you making up? Russian losses are at least 3 times higher.

Once in a while, someone in Ukraine lets something close to the truth slip out of their mouths.

Hospital sees 30% rise in seriously wounded Ukrainian soldiers, says doctor

Dr. Sergii Ryzhenko told ABC News that the Mechnikov Hospital in the city of Dnipro is now receiving between 40 and 100 seriously wounded men each day.

abcnews.go.com

Yuriy Lutsenko claimed that around 30,000 Ukrainian troops are now being killed or badly wounded per month and that the total casualty toll for wounded and killed in the war is around 500,000.

Even that number is likely optimistically low. How many soldiers have been killed or permanently disabled or who deserted is unclear, but it's far higher than Ukraine's propagandists are saying. If they admit the truth, then they weapons and money stop flowing.

 

[iguanaman]

Once in a while, someone in Ukraine lets something close to the truth slip out of their mouths.

Hospital sees 30% rise in seriously wounded Ukrainian soldiers, says doctor

Dr. Sergii Ryzhenko told ABC News that the Mechnikov Hospital in the city of Dnipro is now receiving between 40 and 100 seriously wounded men each day.

abcnews.go.com

Even that number is likely optimistically low. How many soldiers have been killed or permanently disabled or who deserted is unclear, but it's far higher than Ukraine's propagandists are saying. If they admit the truth, then they weapons and money stop flowing.

You are taking the Russian numbers as real? LOL . The truth is told on the battlefield and Russia is getting clobbered daily. Most of the fighting Ukraine does is by drone warfare and that is why Russia has 3 times the dead that Ukraine has. Watch the videos on youtube. That is real.