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Psychologists: Questioning 9/11 Is the Sane Thing To Do!

Paul Austin said:
I really dont know as I dont know how Jones archives his stuff as I have to confess Ive not paid much attention to his site over the years. I mean no disrespect to the guy, he is just trying to make a living but Im not really into material thats spun to much, or hyped to much, or even made up sometimes.

I know theres a market for it but its not really my thing.
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And how do YOU know that it's made up? :confused:
 
Paul Austin said:
phoenyx said:
Can you cite an example of him doing this or are all traces of these alleged actions gone?
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I really dont know as I dont know how Jones archives his stuff as I have to confess Ive not paid much attention to his site over the years. I mean no disrespect to the guy, he is just trying to make a living but Im not really into material thats spun to much, or hyped to much, or even made up sometimes.

I know theres a market for it but its not really my thing.
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I admit there's something about Alex Jones style that I sometimes think is a bit much, and this is probably why I've never actually seen more then a few minutes of any of his documentaries, but I've had no objections to any of the articles on his site, and have used some of them as reference material in the past. If you know of any of his articles that you believe has a large error, however, then by all means share it.
 
phoenyx said:
I think you'd fit that description a lot better, personally. I've heard that Skitzo can't post here anymore, allegedly because she "flamed", but you seem to do it with impunity. I wonder why?
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Whine, whine, gripe, moan ... for your information I too have been removed from a thread.

Kinda shows the lie of you claiming I post with impunity !!!
 
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Decided its not worth to comment on.
 
I_Gaze_At_The_Blue said:
Whine, whine, gripe, moan ... for your information I too have been removed from a thread.

Kinda shows the lie of you claiming I post with impunity !!!
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How was I supposed to know you were also removed?
 
phoenyx said:
I rarely make claims. But when I do and am shown to be mistaken, I admit it. You, on the other hand...
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Says he whom is STILL regurgitating the same old guff such as 85 videos at the Pentagon or that they weren't released.

You got shown WRONG on that LAST YEAR ... and yet came here just re-spewing the claims ...

The 9/11 Planes and the Pentagon attack - Conspiracies & Secret Societies - Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums - Page 2

So which forum will you go to NEXT YEAR and claim videos "weren't" released ???
 
Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect

Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks

The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security.

Bowman worked secretly for the US government on the Star Wars project and was the first to coin the very term in a 1977 secret memo. After Bowman realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets, he left the program and campaigned against it.

Read more:

Laura Tyco ~ Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect | Shift Frequency

Psychologists: Questioning 9/11 Is the Sane Thing To Do! « True Real Facts!
 
Imo, it is always sane to question what you are being told, especially by one who is in a powerful position. That doesn't mean I buy conspiracy theories, but to blindly accept whatever you are told, is not rational.
 
lizzie said:
Imo, it is always sane to question what you are being told, especially by one who is in a powerful position. That doesn't mean I buy conspiracy theories, but to blindly accept whatever you are told, is not rational.
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Well, we can agree on that :-). As to conspiracy theories, the official story regarding 9/11 is a conspiracy theory as well, as David Ray Griffin pointed out in his book Debunking 9/11 Debunking. I quoted his argument here:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...e-believe-9-11-conspiracy.html#post1061179612

Many people also believe that Watergate truly happened. While many might now say that it's a fact, there was a time when it was simply thought of as a "conspiracy theory" as well. What do you think of the JFK assassination?
 
phoenyx said:
Well, we can agree on that :-). As to conspiracy theories, the official story regarding 9/11 is a conspiracy theory as well, as David Ray Griffin pointed out in his book Debunking 9/11 Debunking. I quoted his argument here:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...e-believe-9-11-conspiracy.html#post1061179612

Many people also believe that Watergate truly happened. While many might now say that it's a fact, there was a time when it was simply thought of as a "conspiracy theory" as well. What do you think of the JFK assassination?
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As for 911- I don't doubt that they were attacks as described by government officials- I was just making a point that it is always sane to question what we're told.
 
Oh yay, another 9/11 thread. Please, for the love of god, invent a new conspiracy already. This thing has been done to death.
 
lizzie said:
As for 911- I don't doubt that they were attacks as described by government officials- I was just making a point that it is always sane to question what we're told.
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Yes, I understand that. But tell me, why do you not doubt the official story? Lee Hamilton and Thomas Keen, the co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission, have made it clear that they don't believe in "conspiracy theories" in their book Without Precedent. And yet, this is what they had to say about the investigation they did:


So, they were "set up to fail", because they didn't have enough time or money. Do you atleast agree that there should be a new 9/11 investigation? Did you know that the Warren Commission wasn't the final word on who killed JFK? There was another investigation done in the 1970s, which found that there was simply no way that Oswald could have killed JFK alone, for the simple reason that JFK was shot from more then one angle. Unfortunately, that's as far as they got; they never got to actually figuring out who else was involved, but atleast it goes to show you that reinvestigating something can find out quite interesting things. I'd say that the unoficial investigation has already done this, and you yourself might come to disbelieve the official story if you investigated it more thoroughly yourself. But if you don't, well... you'll have your official story. Some might say that it doesn't matter whether the official story is true or not. As a matter of fact, a poster here said just that. But I don't think that's the truth. You see, every time a government lie is exposed, their credibility goes down. Because of this, it suddenly becomes much harder for them to lie again. And that is definitely a good thing, especially when the lives of thousands, if not millions of people are involved.
 
lizzie said:
Imo, it is always sane to question what you are being told, especially by one who is in a powerful position. That doesn't mean I buy conspiracy theories, but to blindly accept whatever you are told, is not rational.
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Exactly right! :2wave:

And more, to blindly accept as true the statements of a known liar is irrational behavior.
 
It is good to question statements regarding events from any source.

To categorize someone as "blindly" accepting a something from a source that you don't agree with is irrational.

Alternative explanations to an investigation should stand on its own merits (general statement not tied to 911).
 
mike2810 said:
It is good to question statements regarding events from any source.

To categorize someone as "blindly" accepting a something from a source that you don't agree with is irrational.

Alternative explanations to an investigation should stand on its own merits (general statement not tied to 911).
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I agree with this post Mike.

Why do you not follow your own advice?
 
Henry David said:
I agree with this post Mike.

Why do you not follow your own advice?
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ahh but I do. It is you who can not see it.

Clue one. stick to the topic. When discussing for example the CIT flyover alternative it has to stand on its own. The govt report has no bearing. CIT failed in so many ways.
If the thread was specific to the govt report, then if a point came up that I disagreed with it, I would respond with evidence on why it was in error.

To many always want to divert to the govt report when discussing an alternative theory.
 
Several seismic stations recorded seismic signals Recent Event http://www.mgs.md.gov/esic/publications/download/911pentagon.pdf originating from two events which occurred at the WTC site 2001.09.11 immediately prior to both false computer generated aircraft impacts which were shown in the media controlled by the goverment.

Because these signals preceded the false computer generated aircraft impacts there can be no doubt that the seismic signals recorded were not those associated with the false computer generated aircraft impacts on the Towers.

These signals were in fact the seismic spikes associated with the huge basement explosions reported by witnesses.

The following is an excerpt about an eyewitness at WTC1 by the name of William Rodriguez 9/11 Survivor Questions Official Story on local Fox News - YouTube Deanna Spingola -- William Rodriguez, a 9-11 Survivor (he worked at the WTC complex for 20 years, was acknowledged a hero for the many lives he saved that day, and he was the last person out of the building before it came down):

Arriving at 8:30 on the morning of 9-11 he went to the maintenance office located on the first sublevel, one of six sub-basements beneath ground level.

There were a total of fourteen people in the office at that same time.

As he was discussing the day’s tasks with others, there was a very loud massive explosion which seemed to emanate from between sub-basement B2 and B3.

There were an additional twenty-two people on B2 sub-basement who also felt and heard that first explosion.

At first he thought it was a generator that had exploded.

But the cement walls in the office cracked from the explosion.

"When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and everything started shaking." said Rodriguez, who was crowded together with fourteen other people in the office including Anthony Saltamachia, his supervisor for the American Building Maintenance Company.

Just seconds later there was another explosion way above which made the building oscillate momentarily.

This, he was later told, was a computer generated plane in the media controlled by the goverment and was actually a missile from the goverment hitting the Tower at about the 90th floor.

Upon hearing about the plane which actually was a missile from the goverment, he immediately thought of the people up in the restaurant.

Then there were other explosions just above B1 and individuals started heading for the loading dock to escape the explosion’s resulting rampant fire.

When asked later about those first explosions he said:

"I would know if an explosion was from the bottom or the top of the building."

He heard explosions both before and after the missile by goverment hit the Tower.

The number of witnesses who presented evidence of explosion and explosion damage, and particularly the injuries that some witnesses received, again leaves no room for doubt that there were explosions in the basement of WTC.

Mr. William Rodriguez talked about explosions in the basement as well as secondary explosions occurring. Mr. Rodriguez also takes the time to mention the media blackout in the United States on 9/11 Truth issues.

The inescapable conclusions drawn from this analysis and the facts contained therein, cast extreme doubt on the government's claim that these attacks were carried out by Middle Eastern terrorists, who could NOT even fly a cessna! would have had the ability or opportunity to plant the explosive devices, nor to detonate them so as to be masked and partially hidden by the aircraft impacts.

The real perpetrators, those who actually did plant these devices, clearly had free access to the Towers.

The total number of people who had this opportunity was small and a list of these people should be easily available.

Middle Eastern terrorists alone could not have been responsible as they do not have the wherewithal of this kind of scale.

It is more than remarkable that the 9/11 Commission, although it heard the testimony of William Rodriguez regarding the explosions in the basements, did not deem it important enough to be included in the Final Report.


These facts of the conspiracy demand a new independent, quasi private/public, non-politicized 9/11 investigation (a real one this time, one with teeth) be formed immediately to pursue this crime investigation until the murderers / conspirators are identified, apprehended, and brought to justice.

All Americans, especially the NYPD, the Attorney General for the State of New York, Congress, and the Bush Administration need to help in answering this question:

Who is responsible for the explosions?

No stone should be left unturned until these murderers are caught.

If the government and the media do not respond to this, it is like an admission of guilt and/or continued coverup.

There must be justice for those who died that day, justice for their families and friends who grieve to this day, justice for all the victims who survived, and that those who did this heinous act receive the full measure of justice befitting their crime.
 
mike2810 said:
ahh but I do. It is you who can not see it.

Clue one. stick to the topic. When discussing for example the CIT flyover alternative it has to stand on its own. The govt report has no bearing. CIT failed in so many ways.
If the thread was specific to the govt report, then if a point came up that I disagreed with it, I would respond with evidence on why it was in error.

To many always want to divert to the govt report when discussing an alternative theory.
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It seems you do not quite comprehend that it is the "govt report" that started this whole thing. It is a government told story, told by way of the corporate media, that IS this event. The government has told a story--19 arabs with box cutters, ad nauseam--and that is what YOU believe, and many others too.

So if the discussion is going to be rational, it MUST focus on the government reports, and the weight of the evidence that contradicts that story and those reports.
 
Henry David said:
It seems you do not quite comprehend that it is the "govt report" that started this whole thing. It is a government told story, told by way of the corporate media, that IS this event. The government has told a story--19 arabs with box cutters, ad nauseam--and that is what YOU believe, and many others too.

So if the discussion is going to be rational, it MUST focus on the government reports, and the weight of the evidence that contradicts that story and those reports.
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Then start a thread on the official report.
Threads on alternative theories should stand on their own mertis.
I will hold the alternative theories to the same standard I hold any investigation/reporting of facts.

Oh, I understand actually it was the event of 911 that started the whole thing. i would bet that even without the govt report, the thoughts of ray guns, no plane, explosives would have come out.

Your problem is you have admitted you don't accept govt findings, you don't trust the govt. Well I don't trust many of the CT folks. Guess we are even.:mrgreen:
 
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