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Protesters Tear Down Confederate Statue

HowardBThiname said:
If vandalism does NOT bother you -- you need to check your priorities. So like a Leftist to stick up for criminals when it suits their cause. So hypocritical.

There are ways and legal avenues in which to undertake an effort to have a statue removed. The punks that toppled it are no better than gangbangers. If their lack of respect for our laws bothers you -- again -- you need to check your priorities.
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Bizarre is your fixation on vandalism while completely ignoring the human aspect. lol...would you jail the man who tore down a "whites only" sign for vandalism and then ignore all the arguments for why he did it?

I think you would.
 
calamity said:
Bizarre is your fixation on vandalism while completely ignoring the human aspect. lol...would you jail the man who tore down a "whites only" sign for vandalism and then ignore all the arguments for why he did it?

I think you would.
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You still don't understand that it's not okay to break the law.
 
Tangmo said:
OTT. I've anyway felt for a long time when I read a post such as this that I'm being approached by a citizen of another country. Namely, the Confederate States of American had they won the war they started. As I've noted, the 21st century Jim Crow laws being defended are in many ways even more rigged and corrupt than the original Jim Crow laws of the 19th century into the 20th century. The election laws and processes of North Carolina give me pause to consider their similarity to those of Russia today. The baseline being corruption and corrupting.








I have not posted as you assign to me. There are things crashing around upstairs in your head and they have nothing to do with me. Which is why I have had to focus on you rather than the topic. Yes, you yourself have thrown a blanket of accusations over many posters as if you saw a mass of drones rather than individual posters. Heal thyself plse thx. Because the ideology over there is alien to the Constitution your guys fought against unsuccessfully. And continue to fight against with other schemers in a hostile and very real alien country.
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You're incapable of sticking to the thread topic and terribly enamored of your own supposed powers of analysis. Using your "logic", if one supports law and due process, you are automatically a proponent of some cause. So, if you oppose vandalism in the question of Confederate statues, why you must be a Confederate!! That's about the dumbest thing I've seen in here lately. I guess if you oppose vandalism to take down Columbus statues, you must support genocide of indigenous peoples. One can hardly argue with such brilliant conclusions.
 
JustHanging said:
Well sure, that's obviously what the unhinged right is going to think.
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Yes, one side is certainly unhinged.

https://www.rt.com/usa/406177-columbus-day-monument-vandalism/

https://hyperallergic.com/396743/christopher-columbus-baltimore-attack/

https://nypost.com/2017/10/04/columbus-circle-statue-now-getting-247-guard-service/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/12/black-lives-matter-protesters-defaced-jefferson-st/

Vandals attack Teddy Roosevelt statue in New York City | Daily Mail Online

https://www.dailywire.com/news/19861/oops-antifa-protesters-vandalized-peace-monument-emily-zanotti

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/...ing-down-charlottesville-attack-cnn-says-take

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/...ville-white-supremacist-violence-donald-trump

https://www.dailywire.com/news/19936/now-marauders-are-vandalizing-statues-catholic-paul-bois



and abroad....


http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2018/03/15/montreal-vandals-attack-queen-victoria-statues/

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...hers-in-sydneys-hyde-park-attacked-by-vandals


Of course, many, many more can be found.
 
veritas1 said:
Yes, one side is certainly unhinged.

https://www.rt.com/usa/406177-columbus-day-monument-vandalism/

https://hyperallergic.com/396743/christopher-columbus-baltimore-attack/

https://nypost.com/2017/10/04/columbus-circle-statue-now-getting-247-guard-service/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/12/black-lives-matter-protesters-defaced-jefferson-st/

Vandals attack Teddy Roosevelt statue in New York City | Daily Mail Online

https://www.dailywire.com/news/19861/oops-antifa-protesters-vandalized-peace-monument-emily-zanotti

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/...ing-down-charlottesville-attack-cnn-says-take

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/...ville-white-supremacist-violence-donald-trump

https://www.dailywire.com/news/19936/now-marauders-are-vandalizing-statues-catholic-paul-bois



and abroad....


http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2018/03/15/montreal-vandals-attack-queen-victoria-statues/

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...hers-in-sydneys-hyde-park-attacked-by-vandals
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But you're ignoring the "unhinged right":

Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi

Neo-Nazis Praise Trump's Response to Charlottesville: 'He Said He Love Us!'

Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People'

Before Charlottesville, a String of Killings Raised the Specter of Far-Right Violence

Of course, many, many more can be found.
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Yeah, it is not difficult when you're looking at the "unhinged right".
 
JustHanging said:
But you're ignoring the "unhinged right":

Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi

Neo-Nazis Praise Trump's Response to Charlottesville: 'He Said He Love Us!'

Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People'

Before Charlottesville, a String of Killings Raised the Specter of Far-Right Violence



Yeah, it is not difficult when you're looking at the "unhinged right".
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We were talking about defacing and vandalising public monuments. Your links are irrelevant to the topic.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Fascinating.

You support rape (especially the rape of black women) and you support what are now deemed "war crimes" by civilized folks.

This is interesting because it not only shows you in a very clear and dangerous light, it illuminates the ideology behind this most recent bandwagon-rider cause that has scooped up the lesser intellects in our society.

Obviously, you are the one who is very upset. Upset, outraged and driven to the edge of sanity.

Keep it up.
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Yep, its truly fascinating what lies you are willing to spin in order to protect your precious fantasies. Your argument that Sherman's troops committed rape as a "terror tactic aimed at southern whites" is idiotic---and I explained why. You have proceed to fail to make any sort of legitimate point......and no, shrieking about "anarchy" is not a legitimate point.

Lesser intellects? Oh, you mean like people who cling to Confederate statues and invent fairy tales about "anarchy" to make themselves feel better? Sorry bud, your movement's already been pretty exposed.

The rest of your post is nothing more than you spouting even more meaningless drivel.
 
HowardBThiname said:
"Hating" any other human is a sign of knee-jerk emotionalism and low intelligence -- redneck mentality -- if you will. "Hating" ideas that do not serve society well is a much different thing. Too bad the dregs of society never learn to tell the difference.



You just openly justified rape and pillaging. Then you denied the reality of Sherman's March to the Sea.



And so it was. Slavery has been evil since the dawn of time, but that does not excuse the evil you now defend.
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"Dregs of society" sums up you and the rest of the crowd who spends all their time shrieking about how removing statues to white supremacy makes you like ISIS and the Taliban rather well.

As usual, your first three sentences are a load of crap.

The reality of Sherman's March to the Sea is that the South got off laughably lightly. The simple fact of that matter is that no other society in human history would have been as generous with a bunch of hopped up thugs and slavers who had just spent years murdering hundreds of thousands of loyal Americans.

The "evil"? Oh, you mean removing statues to white supremacy? You know, it's really telling that you consider that to be "evil" buddy.
 
calamity said:
I guess, I am far less surprised that it was toppled than I am that the thing sat on a modern college campus to begin with. After all, the Confederacy was about as anti-American as you can get.
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I'm of like mind to Condi Rice, for whom I have great respect.

"I'm a firm believer in 'keep your history before you.' And so I don't actually want to rename things that were named for slave owners," Rice replied. "I want us to have to look at the names and recognize what they did, and be able to tell our kids what they did and for them to have a sense of their own history."
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I certainly don't have any respect for those criminals who destroy property just because of how they feel about something.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yep, its truly fascinating what lies you are willing to spin in order to protect your precious fantasies. Your argument that Sherman's troops committed rape as a "terror tactic aimed at southern whites" is idiotic---and I explained why. You have proceed to fail to make any sort of legitimate point......and no, shrieking about "anarchy" is not a legitimate point.
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Your defense of rape is duly noted. And they didn't just rape to frighten whites -- they raped because they were animals. Only animals rape. The rapes, however, are recorded in court documents so why you're still defending them is beyond me.

Lesser intellects? Oh, you mean like people who cling to Confederate statues and invent fairy tales about "anarchy" to make themselves feel better? Sorry bud, your movement's already been pretty exposed.

The rest of your post is nothing more than you spouting even more meaningless drivel.
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People who "invent fairy tales about anarchy?" Dude, now I'm just giggling.

It's anarchy, pure and simple -- and those who defend criminality are just as bad as those who take part. I'm not really surprised you defend it, though, seeing how you defend rampant rape.
 
Tigerace117 said:
"Dregs of society" sums up you and the rest of the crowd who spends all their time shrieking about how removing statues to white supremacy makes you like ISIS and the Taliban rather well.

As usual, your first three sentences are a load of crap.

The reality of Sherman's March to the Sea is that the South got off laughably lightly. The simple fact of that matter is that no other society in human history would have been as generous with a bunch of hopped up thugs and slavers who had just spent years murdering hundreds of thousands of loyal Americans.

The "evil"? Oh, you mean removing statues to white supremacy? You know, it's really telling that you consider that to be "evil" buddy.
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Fascinating -- your meltdown begins. How did I know you'd reach this point? First you back yourself in a corner defending vandals, then, you dig a deeper hole and defend rapists, then you double-down and claim that having their women raped, their livestock slaughtered and their property burned was getting off "laughably light." What do you do for an encore? Drown puppies?
 
calamity said:
Bizarre is your fixation on vandalism while completely ignoring the human aspect. lol...would you jail the man who tore down a "whites only" sign for vandalism and then ignore all the arguments for why he did it?

I think you would.
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A "whites only" sign isn't anywhere close to being a memorial statue commemorating the deaths of students. Not even close. The sign, unless it was some elaborate sign that was encrusted with gold, would be worth very little money, meaning the crime would be no more than a misdemeanor. The statue, however, is worth much, much more, making those little bastards crimes felonies.

I would probably admire a man who would tear down the sign, knowing that he was sticking up for the rights of others, but I would expel idiot students who were so misguided as to think a memorial statue had anything to do with rights. That statue represented the dead, and since the dawn of time, people have honored their dead loved ones. Toppling the statue is akin to the destruction of graveyards -- and -- I'd arrest those bastards too.

You've got some truly extremist ideas.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Your defense of rape is duly noted. And they didn't just rape to frighten whites -- they raped because they were animals. Only animals rape. The rapes, however, are recorded in court documents so why you're still defending them is beyond me.




People who "invent fairy tales about anarchy?" Dude, now I'm just giggling.

It's anarchy, pure and simple -- and those who defend criminality are just as bad as those who take part. I'm not really surprised you defend it, though, seeing how you defend rampant rape.
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Oh look, someone who mindlessly defends slavers is trying to call literally anyone else an "animal". The irony is too funny.

My exposure of your bull**** narrative has clearly got you rattled bud. Considering the fact that your precious slavers routinely raped slave women, your faux outrage simply doesn't hold water. Better luck next time.

Yes, I bet you are giggling. After all, one would have to be rather stupid to actually believe the kind of crap you have spewed in this thread.

By your own logic, you are every bit as bad as the slave traders and thugs of the Confederacy. Trying engaging your brain before you indulge in hysterics next time.
 
iguanaman said:
Why do you think it is worth protecting at all? It has no artistic value and no one alive even remembers why it is there. Tear it down is the answer. Let's let the Confederacy rest in peace and move on. This has gone on long enough, the "lost cause" and kindly General Lee B.S. were created by white supremacists and so were most of the statues. Their "legacy" is not worth saving.
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Because it's someone's property. In a land of laws, you don't get to carry out mob violence and destruction. If that's your preferred method of operation, I suggest partaking in the governments of other countries, not this one. But again, you undermined your own point. There is significant violence on the left, and you approve of it.
 
lurchadams said:
Whenever I see a con ask this idiotic question, I just have to roll my eyes.
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Ah...while your eyes are rolled back in there, search around for a specific point and make it.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Fascinating -- your meltdown begins. How did I know you'd reach this point? First you back yourself in a corner defending vandals, then, you dig a deeper hole and defend rapists, then you double-down and claim that having their women raped, their livestock slaughtered and their property burned was getting off "laughably light." What do you do for an encore? Drown puppies?
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Gee, what a surprise--- a poster who has spent the entire thread inventing a bull**** narrative dives deeper into it.

First, you made a hysterically laughable series of posts claiming those who want to see the monuments to white supremacy removed have similar beliefs to ISIS. Next, you demonstrated colossal historical ignorance about Sherman's March to the Sea. Now you are doubling down on the ignorance.

I hate to break it to you, but entire ethnic groups were exterminated for doing far less than what the south did. The South got smashed.....and then twenty years later the same old thugs were back in charge running things. That is laughably light, and its only those who cling to the Confederacy who aren't bright enough to grasp that fact.
 
Fishking said:
Ah...while your eyes are rolled back in there, search around for a specific point and make it.
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You know what? You're right! Despite all evidence to the contrary, trump is squeaky clean. I know you're next question is going to be, "what evidence"? I could then talk about trump's violation of the emoluments clause by enriching himself while in office. I could recite the exhaustive reporting regarding trump's cozying up with mobsters while in the casino business, conspiring to launder money with Russian oligarchs, conspiring with Russian intelligence agents in attempts to bring down his 2016 political opponent - but if you're like most trump apologists, you'll just stick your head in the sand and deny facts and history easy enough for you to see yourself.

So, instead, I'll just say, "enjoy your day!".
 
Oh goodie.

lurchadams said:
You know what? You're right! Despite all evidence to the contrary, trump is squeaky clean. I know you're next question is going to be, "what evidence"? I could then talk about trump's violation of the emoluments clause by enriching himself while in office.
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Sorry, that's not what the emoluments cause is referring to. It's talking about gifts, not normal business deals. Also, in case you missed it, Trump has lost a significant amount of money due to being in office. Finally, you're going to have to charge almost every politician out there because they all come out of office richer. Trump might be one of the few that actually comes out with less money

I could recite the exhaustive reporting regarding trump's cozying up with mobsters while in the casino business, conspiring to launder money
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There is probably something here, as it's not an unknown variable in real estate, and especially casinos. Though do you have some kind of specific and credible information on it to point to?

with Russian oligarchs, conspiring with Russian intelligence agents in attempts to bring down his 2016 political opponent
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I asked for crimes. This isn't a crime.

- but if you're like most trump apologists, you'll just stick your head in the sand and deny facts and history easy enough for you to see yourself.

So, instead, I'll just say, "enjoy your day!".
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Thanks. It is even more enjoyable now that I've got to shoot down a bunch of talking points.
 
HowardBThiname said:
A "whites only" sign isn't anywhere close to being a memorial statue commemorating the deaths of students. Not even close. The sign, unless it was some elaborate sign that was encrusted with gold, would be worth very little money, meaning the crime would be no more than a misdemeanor. The statue, however, is worth much, much more, making those little bastards crimes felonies.

I would probably admire a man who would tear down the sign, knowing that he was sticking up for the rights of others, but I would expel idiot students who were so misguided as to think a memorial statue had anything to do with rights. That statue represented the dead, and since the dawn of time, people have honored their dead loved ones. Toppling the statue is akin to the destruction of graveyards -- and -- I'd arrest those bastards too.

You've got some truly extremist ideas.
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Correction: a statue commemorating those who fought to preserve slavery which was erected by white supremacists who supported Jim Crow.

And, yes, you would defend both, if that was the law today. We see that.
 
Fishking said:
Oh goodie.



Sorry, that's not what the emoluments cause is referring to. It's talking about gifts, not normal business deals. Also, in case you missed it, Trump has lost a significant amount of money due to being in office. Finally, you're going to have to charge almost every politician out there because they all come out of office richer. Trump might be one of the few that actually comes out with less money



There is probably something here, as it's not an unknown variable in real estate, and especially casinos. Though do you have some kind of specific and credible information on it to point to?



I asked for crimes. This isn't a crime.



Thanks. It is even more enjoyable now that I've got to shoot down a bunch of talking points.
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Trump apologists never fail to disappoint.
 
lurchadams said:
Trump apologists never fail to disappoint.
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I'm glad I could correct all of your inaccuracies. Though, because of your rabidness, you probably missed the part where I granted you a possible correct assertion. I only asked you to provide specific information on it from a credible source. You failed to do even that.
 
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