Protesters Confront ICE, Military in Los Angeles Park Raid

[CaughtInThe]

Immigration Employees who are conflicted about enforcing immigration law are free to resign.

The decent ones will.

There's only so much pain and suffering that you can inflect on other decent people before you break.

 

[jmotivator]

No arrests were made.

There were people there observing this nonsense.

You state those two like they are mutually supportive. The funny thing is if the raid were the jackbooted thuggery you need it to be, there would be no people wandering around filming the event.

The only thing I have read so far is that there have been no releases on potential arrests, which isn't to say there were none.

Does anyone know the immigration status of these people?

Which people? The people who you say weren't arrested?

I mean it is rather hilarious to see you try to balance the "JACK BOOTED THUGS!!" narrative and the "NOBODY WAS ARRESTED!!" narrative.

When has the immigration status of the drug dealers been determined?

If they are a US citizen they go to federal prison, if they are a legal resident then they violated the conditions of their residency agreement and will be deported. If they are illegal they will be deported sooner.

But nobody was arrested, according to you, so...

What I think is that the story that they were there for drug dealers is a retroactive cover story that makes it so MAGA can feel
Comfortable with Federal agents backed up by the military clearing out a public park for no reason while filming themselves doing it.

I didn't say they were there for drug dealers, I said they were there for MS-13 who control all the neighborhoods surrounding MacArthur Park and deal drugs to the addicts in the park.

 

[jmotivator]

The decent ones will.

There's only so much pain and suffering that you can inflect on other decent people before you break.

Blah blah blah. Enforcing the law is a hard job, and if you aren't up for the task you shouldn't be in that line of work.

 

[Tangmo]

Oh no, who knows if the addicts and dealers will ever return!? Such a loss...

They've arrested just shy of 3,000 illegals in Los Angeles during this process. So one of two things has happened: 1) Local Democrat leadership, siding with MS-13 over the federal Government, warned the gang members of the raid so they didn't show up that day or 2) The MS-13 numbers have been greatly diminished already.

MAGA posting desperation has become obvious already. This one takes the stacked cheeseburger though. Trying so hard MAGAs are without changing anything. LA and CA just keep getting worse for MAGAs and ICE.

Trumph and Miller trying to militarize blue cities and blue states by the abuse of the National Guard is struggling in LA and CA.

ICE and the feds are fumbling and bumbling while the bored and unwilling NG and Marines look on and just shake their heads. MAGAs will not concede that the NG and Marines hate this deployment because it's civil in the streets and parks of America which neither the NG nor the Marines signed up to do. You know the CA NG troops in LA are against using 'em against their own people, right? That their governor opposes their use in LA. And that the ICE MacArthur Park Fiasco proved this.

ICE in LA and CA are no doubt and meanwhile busy planning their next disaster. We may not see ICE aliens again for a while though eh as they lick their MacArthur Park burns. This is while MAGAs fling allegations that are completely off the wall stuff. Wild and unprovable statements are all the desperate MAGAs have any more.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Blah blah blah. Enforcing the law is a hard job, and if you aren't up for the task you shouldn't be in that line of work.

Hey, it's not my problem that you don't like that decent people don't want to help Trump/MAGA inflict as much pain as they can on a bunch of (mostly) hardworking people (many whom were employed by Republican business owners).

You a Christian?

 

[Tangmo]

Not every raid turns up dozens of arrests, especially when the local leadership has decided to side with MS-13 over Federal authorities.

MAGA Desperation Rules!

Say anything has become say the wildest and craziest stuff imaginable.

 

[Jezcoe]

I didn't say they were there for drug dealers, I said they were there for MS-13 who control all the neighborhoods surrounding MacArthur Park and deal drugs to the addicts in the park.

So what the story is that ICE was so stupid that they thought that they could simply show up at the park in the middle of the day and hope that MS-13 would be kind enough to be there?

 

[venice_ca]

No, they were there to gather up the MS-13 gang members who run the fentanyl market in MacArthur Park.

Right!

Roll into the neighborhood in the most visible way possible, announcing ICE presence to everyone, and expect that any drug dealer or MS-13 member, if present at all, would wait around to be picked up?

There’s a reason LE operates undercover, and do not conduct themselves like a damn military parade.

 

[Tangmo]

So what the story is that ICE was so stupid that they thought that they could simply show up at the park in the middle of the day and hope that MS-13 would be kind enough to be there?

Indeed nothing about ICE is subtle.

They are goons who act for publicity rather than effect. They even had a helo with camera overhead .

The only thing ICE didn't have in their MacArthur Park Fiasco was a big marching band leading 'em into the park. I think of how the ICE disaster would have been worse if they had paratroopers splashing down uncontrollably into the pond and needing to be rescued.

To get MS-13 members a night operation would be better except ICE would only have bungled it even more -- and ICE knows this.

 

[JMB1911A1]

It's civil war stuff.

Your side tried that in Texas on the fourth. Didn’t turn out too well. FAFO.

 

[Anthony60]

I have been in a few police states.

Minneapolis for the GOP convention.

NYC for the GOP convention.

NYC immediately after 9/11 was kind of a police state.

It is funny that there is a claim that liberals want a police state when it is Donald J Trump sending masked thugs into cities to clear out public parks for no reason.

None of that is a police state. You went to a couple of events with high security.

 

[Deuce]

Blah blah blah. Enforcing the law is a hard job, and if you aren't up for the task you shouldn't be in that line of work.

If you think enforcing the law is supposed to be done with cruelty, you also shouldn't be in that line of work.

Problem is, our system selects for the cruel and against people who aren't.

 

[Anthony60]

MAGA posts about immigrants in LA and CA all of which MAGAs have long term hated are trying very hard indeed. I mean, this is their Big Chance, with the Generalissimo Trumph and His Oberkommando Miller in the WH.

The issue is instead militarizing the blue cities and blue states to the control and abuse of the Generalissimo Trumph.

MAGAs are indeed trying very hard which shows their desperation as ICE fumbles it and flails over it.

They're coming to take you away, haha, they're coming to take you away...

 

[Jezcoe]

None of that is a police state. You went to a couple of events with high security.

Trust me.

It was a police state.

The one in NYC in particular saw the NYPD randomly kettling people and doing mass arrests.

Coat the city millions to settle that lawsuit.

 

[iguanaman]

What would be the purpose of that?
They say they are going after the criminal aliens and gang members. So, you say that they are just there to intimidate American citizens. Quite a big claim, without any evidence at all.

LOL Here is the evidence that they were there to intimidate everyone in that park including Americans.

 

[Anthony60]

Trust me.

It was a police state.

The one in NYC in particular saw the NYPD randomly kettling people and doing mass arrests.

Coat the city millions to settle that lawsuit.

Try East Germany.

 

[Anthony60]

eLOL Here is the evidence that they were there to intimidate everyone in that park including Americans.

You posted photos of them in their gear. Is there a memo, an email, or something that says anything like "Forget about your oaths and our mission to capture criminal illegal aliens, just go to the park and start intimidating regular old Americans"?
Got that? There must also be many cell phone videos of them getting after Americans and intimidating them, right?

Oh, and what would they be trying to intimidate people into doing?

 

[Tangmo]

They're coming to take you away, haha, they're coming to take you away...

Alas it's another nonresponsive response.

MAGA desperation only magnifies. As MAGAs keep trying harder and harder but without any success whatsoever.

The Joint Chiefs are sitting on a Noem request to the Pentagon to activate and federalize 20,000 NG troops for immigration raids in states nationwide. Noem's request to Hegseth The Horrible was made on May 9th but the JCS led by Chairman Gen. Dan Caine continue to sit on it. JCS led by Gen. Caine are totally opposed.

In fact Gen. Caine says this would cost just shy of $4 billion for one year. Which pretty much kills it given the Generalissimo wants to ship out upwards of 12m immigrants over a number of years to include perhaps a decade. Indeed the still stalled request for 20,000 NG troops to initially activate and federalize would operate in a multiplicity of states at the direction of ICE.

Nope. The pending and all but deceased 20,000 NG to Noem request is not happening. This is despite how much and how hard the Generealissimo and MAGAs are trying and failing to have it happen -- and for it to lead to more NG troops into the blue cities and blue states across the nation.

NOT.

The fact is ICE in LA is stalled, frustrated and looking more stupid all the time trying and failing to create disorder and chaos from peace and tranquility. LA and CA are not giving ICE anything to work with in this regard.

 

[iguanaman]

You posted photos of them in their gear. Is there a memo, an email, or something that says anything like "Forget about your oaths and our mission to capture criminal illegal aliens, just go to the park and start intimidating regular old Americans"?
Got that? There must also be many cell phone videos of them getting after Americans and intimidating them, right?

Oh, and what would they be trying to intimidate people into doing?

You should be ashamed not to know that sending the Gestapo through a public park and throwing children off their swings in masks and armed with automatic rifles is not what we are. It is a common occurance in authoritarian regimes that use fear to stay in power. That will not work here.

 

[Tangmo]

You posted photos of them in their gear. Is there a memo, an email, or something that says anything like "Forget about your oaths and our mission to capture criminal illegal aliens, just go to the park and start intimidating regular old Americans"?
Got that? There must also be many cell phone videos of them getting after Americans and intimidating them, right?

Oh, and what would they be trying to intimidate people into doing?

MAGAs have no clue of the military oath of fidelity to the Constitution which is above any person.

The gross misuse in your post of "mission" in this context is contorted and self confounding which reveals and explains the MAGA Cult and its beliefs and doctrines. The armed forces being deployed into a civil disturbance is an assigned duty, it is not a military mission to close on the enemy and destroy him. You don't know the meaning of "military mission."

Indeed the MAGA desperation of trying too hard breeds utter nonsense.

 

[Tangmo]

Try East Germany.

No one needs to go any farther than the West Wing.

 

[Deuce]

You posted photos of them in their gear. Is there a memo, an email, or something that says anything like "Forget about your oaths and our mission to capture criminal illegal aliens, just go to the park and start intimidating regular old Americans"?
Got that? There must also be many cell phone videos of them getting after Americans and intimidating them, right?

Oh, and what would they be trying to intimidate people into doing?

"Listen, the government isn't doing bad things unless they have paperwork that says they are doing bad things."

lmao

My dude, they formed up in a pseudo-military marching formation in a random park, armed to the teeth and even using some cavalry bullshit. It's a show of force.

 

[ClaraD]

Were there any criminal aliens or gang members when they arrived?

Nope. In 2021 there were major issues but LAPD handled it by adding patrols both foot and car patrol. Im guessing something that happened 4 years ago is current events to Anthony

 

[multivita-man]

Your side tried that in Texas on the fourth. Didn’t turn out too well. FAFO.

We did?

 

[georgephillip]

HAHAHA!!! You won't spot the drug dealers unless you are shopping for Drug dealers. Are you expecting them to have a billboard?

Funny you don't deny the presence of feces and needles.. and mention nothing of the addicts. I would assume the addicts are there because they don't just stop by MacArthur park to take a shit...

It's more likely I don't see many drug dealers inside the park because of the number of CCTV cameras located there that are linked directly to the LAPD.

The addicts are in the neighborhood because COVID closed local swap meets, and many vendors moved to the sidewalk opposite of MacArthur Park, drawing large week-end crowds which local drug dealers quickly exploited.

Last January the vendors were outlawed from their sidewalk locations, but addicts and dealers remain, possibly because the current law enforcement budget isn't large enough to legally remove them.

Trump's theatre last Monday did nothing to improve local law enforcement efforts at eradicating drug dealing, and probably convinced some non-citizens to stop reporting criminal activity in fear of deportation.

So much MAGA