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Protesters Confront ICE, Military in Los Angeles Park Raid

BirdinHand said:
The militarization of American streets with the jackboots is upon us.

Little Johnny goes to the playground and gets to watch the military come rolling through like the Gestapo?

Feeling very 1939 up in here.
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Only ICE agents were in the park and active in the park.

The National Guard was not in the park.

Marines in LA were not in the park.

It's common for local/county and federal LEO to dress in ground forces battle gear and to use ground forces armored vehicles. The officers your post is referencing were ICE -- they were NOT NG and NOT Marines.
 
bythoughts said:
All we have is that video. I don't know they're unmarked. For all I know those horse blankets are emblazoned with huge logos - I can't see that well. You need to have journalists interviewing people on the ground, publishing people who were there at the time, who saw where the federal people went, what they were wearing, whatever. *Note that interviewing legal observers who showed up afterward in response to the reports does not count!
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You have concerns...so noted.
 
Tangmo said:
ICE agents were in those vehicles, not the NG or the Marines.

It's common for local/county and federal LEO to dress in ground force battle gear and to use ground forces armored vehicles. The officers your post is referencing were ICE -- they were NOT NG and NOT Marines.

Those in the video advancing in a single forward line across what appears to be a soccer field were ICE, not NG and not Marines. Neither NG nor Marines were in the park. Only ICE goons were in the park doing a bizarre "training exercise" designed to scare people the Generalissimo and MAGAs hate and want out of the country.
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The video I saw on the news was video of the military humvees lined up at the park. That would mean NG or Marines. I think ICE uses unmarked cars. Different video probably. Looked like it was from a helicopter. Ice doesn’t have military vehicles do they? Was a least a dozen of them.
 
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Tangmo said:
Only ICE agents were in the park and active in the park.

The National Guard was not in the park.

Marines in LA were not in the park.

It's common for local/county and federal LEO to dress in ground forces battle gear and to use ground forces armored vehicles. The officers your post is referencing were ICE -- they were NOT NG and NOT Marines.
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That doesn’t make it necessarily any better.
 
According to The Washington Post, a Telegram group with 6,000 members is currently developing plans to "take as many NEXRAD sites offline as possible." They claim they already have "boots on the ground" in Washington State and Oklahoma.
It's unclear if the man in Oklahoma who targeted News9's weather radar is associated with the group or acted alone.
The group, founded in 2015, believes that Doppler radars are “weather weapons” used to control the weather.

So we should be worried about the danger of civil war attacks by people who think "the deep state is controlling weather" through NEXRAD?
Screw it, just point a few satellite TV dishes at them and set off some strobe lights and announce that if they see the flashing light they're going to die of cancer; they'll run away.

THE STUPID!!! IT BURNS!!!
 
TangoNoCash said:
The video I saw on the news was video of the military humvees lined up at the park. That would mean NG or Marines. I think ICE uses unmarked cars. Different video probably. Looked like it was from a helicopter. Ice doesn’t have military vehicles do they? Was a least a dozen of them.
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NG in humvees formed a security perimeter around the park but no NG Soldiers entered the park during what was a makework "exercise" for the bored NG troops.

www.stripes.com

National Guard troops with Humvees back federal agents in immigration sweep of LA park

California National Guard soldiers arriving in Humvee military vehicles backed a Monday sweep of a park in a neighborhood of Los Angeles heavily populated by immigrants, according to L.A. Mayor Karen Bass.
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Guard troops were positioned on the perimeter of the 35-acre MacArthur Park as Customs and Border Protection agents in tactical gear and some on horseback slowly crossed the park, according to video from television station helicopters and online social media posts. Video of the scene also showed dozens of white vans parked at the western end of the park. The vans have been used in earlier sweeps to transport people who were arrested. Four tactical vehicles and two ambulances were also on the scene.
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There's no doubt you saw NG in humvees at or around the outside of the park. It's just that with ICE and the NG in military ground forces combat gear many aspects of this needed to be sorted out. Virtually each NG grunt has the rifle whereas very few ICE carry an individually and personally assigned rifle.


This is a close in on the ground photo, compared to a live view (video) from a helo, but these are ICE goons who don't carry a regulation standard issue rifle. And as we know this anyway isn't a humvee. The caption below in the LA Times helps to clarify these are ICE goons.

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Federal agents ride on an armored vehicle at MacArthur Park in Los Angeles on Monday, July 7, 2025. (Damian Dovarganes/AP)


We know too there's also the uniforms difference among the armed services in camouflage design and colors These ICE goons' camos for instance look awfully similar to Army design and colors. The CA NG in LA are Army NG of course. ICE are civil LEA who get their military gear and equipment from the Pentagon -- a lot of it are hand-me-down stuff on the cheap.
 
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Tangmo said:
NG in humvees formed a security perimeter around the park but no NG Soldiers entered the park during what was a makework "exercise" for the bored NG troops.

www.stripes.com

National Guard troops with Humvees back federal agents in immigration sweep of LA park

California National Guard soldiers arriving in Humvee military vehicles backed a Monday sweep of a park in a neighborhood of Los Angeles heavily populated by immigrants, according to L.A. Mayor Karen Bass.
www.stripes.com www.stripes.com

Guard troops were positioned on the perimeter of the 35-acre MacArthur Park as Customs and Border Protection agents in tactical gear and some on horseback slowly crossed the park, according to video from television station helicopters and online social media posts. Video of the scene also showed dozens of white vans parked at the western end of the park. The vans have been used in earlier sweeps to transport people who were arrested. Four tactical vehicles and two ambulances were also on the scene.
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There's no doubt you saw NG in humvees at or around the outside of the park. It's just that with ICE and the NG in military ground forces combat gear many aspects of this needed to be sorted out. Virtually each NG grunt has the rifle whereas very few ICE carry an individually and personally assigned rifle.


This is a close in on the ground photo, compared to a live view (video) from a helo, but these are ICE goons who don't carry a regulation standard issue rifle. And as we know this anyway isn't a humvee. The caption below in the LA Times helps to clarify this.

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Federal agents ride on an armored vehicle at MacArthur Park in Los Angeles on Monday, July 7, 2025. (Damian Dovarganes/AP)


There's also the uniforms difference in camouflage design and colors that for a couple of reasons can't or aren't always immediately distinct identifiers. These ICE goons' camos for instance look awfully similar to Army design and colors. The CA NG in LA are Army NG of course. ICE are civil LEA who get their military gear and equipment from the Pentagon -- a lot of it are hand-me-down stuff on the cheap.
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I don’t want to see the military policing Americans in any capacity. The end.
 
TangoNoCash said:
I don’t want to see the military policing Americans in any capacity. The end.
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Amen.

Trump-Miller are relying heavily on the National Guard to do their maniacal mass deportation. This in LA and CA is their early big test of it and attempt to assert it as being so. The active duty armed forces are strongly opposed, which is why Trump-Miller are trying to get their foot in the door with some active duty Marines included (who haven't any NG of course).

The 700 more Marines to FL, LA and TX are a bust for Trumph and Homan who since May 9th have been pressing the Joint Chiefs to provide 20,000 National Guard Troops to support ICE throughout the country. The JCS led by Chairman and Air Force Gen. Dan "Razn" Caine have answered that this for one year alone would cost nearly $4 billion bucks. This in itself ha has all but killed the Generalssimo's brainchild about 20,000 NG for immigration raids.

Gen. Caine keeps telling SecDef Hegseth The Horrible the JCS doesn't know where they can find that many NG to federalized immigration duty for one year (and in reality much longer) to support immigration enforcement. So Trumph, Hegseth, Homan and Noem are sucking wind on their NG request which Noem only sent to the Pentagon on May 9th. Trump and Miller are looking downcast at their idea for 20,000 NG that's gone nowhere.
 
BirdinHand said:
That doesn’t make it necessarily any better.
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Accuracy is my concern at Wild West threads like this. I feel the need to fact slap so many hysterical liberals who are forever crying out that the military is carrying out the Generealissimo's fascist holocaust against 'em. There's no question it's what the Generalissimo wants. What the mass of libs are oblivious to is that the armed forces will have nothing to do with it. Liberals being as unrelentingly ignorant of the armed forces as they are, I know I'm pissing up a rope to state the reality of the armed forces. I Soldier on nonetheless.
 
Tangmo said:
Accuracy is my concern at Wild West threads like this. I feel the need to fact slap so many hysterical liberals who are forever crying out that the military is carrying out the Generealissimo's fascist holocaust against 'em. There's no question it's what the Generalissimo wants. What the mass of libs are oblivious to is that the armed forces will have nothing to do with it. Liberals being as unrelentingly ignorant of the armed forces as they are, I know I'm pissing up a rope to state the reality of the armed forces. I Soldier on nonetheless.
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The term militarization can be used to describe institutional behavior as well as the use of the military proper. People have been complaining about police militarization since the 80s for example.
 
bythoughts said:
I don't understand what they were doing. They weren't actually pushing civilians out of the area, as indicated by the guy with the camera up close, and really even the one making the posted video. They weren't dispersed enough to do cop things like demand ID cards or birth certificates or whatever on earth would count as proof an Angeleno isn't an immigrant. They had four horses together like they were making an apocalypse video. I have no idea, but I'd guess there's a chance they were doing their stated mission by coming to defend some kind of space around an ICE activity not shown.

Please note that showing up to film the "police state" up close, with a camera, and doing so successfully, is less a demonstration of their fascism than of their continuing respect for individual rights. It is vital NOT to immediately tar and revile everybody involved as an oppressor, if they in fact refrain from oppressing. Feed the wolf you want to win.
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Um they are refusing to release a reporter they detained as we speak. An immigration judge ordered him released. The claim? This legal immigrant doing his job as a journalist makes him a danger to the security of the country. His crime? Recording and reporting on the No Kings protest.
 
ClaraD said:
Um they are refusing to release a reporter they detained as we speak. An immigration judge ordered him released. The claim? This legal immigrant doing his job as a journalist makes him a danger to the security of the country. His crime? Recording and reporting on the No Kings protest.
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I looked this up - Mario Guevara is a Salvadoran journalist, and his detention does indeed sound like a serious betrayal of American values of freedom of the press. However, I should note that he was in Atlanta. The people we saw in the 30-second video (I see there's some confusion about who they are...) were not detaining obvious reporters closely following them. Now I see no advantage to ignoring whether a group of people is doing the wrong we object to or not. The existence of a few seconds of relatively innocuous video should not be the sole reason why we single out a force for criticism.
 
bythoughts said:
I looked this up - Mario Guevara is a Salvadoran journalist, and his detention does indeed sound like a serious betrayal of American values of freedom of the press. However, I should note that he was in Atlanta. The people we saw in the 30-second video (I see there's some confusion about who they are...) were not detaining obvious reporters closely following them. Now I see no advantage to ignoring whether a group of people is doing the wrong we object to or not. The existence of a few seconds of relatively innocuous video should not be the sole reason why we single out a force for criticism.
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Why are they claiming that him recording them makes him a security threat?
He has zero charges against him and zero criminal record.
There is far more than 30 seconds of video and Ive seen all of it. He has clear identifiable lettering showing he is PRESS
 
Tangmo said:
Only ICE agents were in the park and active in the park.

The National Guard was not in the park.

Marines in LA were not in the park.

It's common for local/county and federal LEO to dress in ground forces battle gear and to use ground forces armored vehicles. The officers your post is referencing were ICE -- they were NOT NG and NOT Marines.
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ICE has tanks?
 
ClaraD said:
Um they are refusing to release a reporter they detained as we speak. An immigration judge ordered him released. The claim? This legal immigrant doing his job as a journalist makes him a danger to the security of the country. His crime? Recording and reporting on the No Kings protest.
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There are also many more cases of people being detained for using their right to free speech.

"During her testimony, which she offered virtually, Ms Ozturk told the court about her Fulbright scholarship and her PhD work. She said her asthma had worsened during her detention, and at one point she had to take a short break after suffering an asthma attack on camera.

Judge Sessions said Ms Ozturk had raised "very substantial" claims that her First Amendment right to free speech and her due process rights were violated. He said the only evidence the administration had against Ms Ozturk was her op-ed.

"That literally is the case," he said, according to court reporters. "There is no evidence that she has engaged in violence or advocated violence.""

www.bbc.com

Rumeysa Ozturk: Turkish Tufts University student released on bail

Her arrest followed the White House's crackdown on what it has classified as antisemitism on US campuses.
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While American citizens are also being detained.

 
ClaraD said:
Why are they claiming that him recording them makes him a security threat?
He has zero charges against him and zero criminal record.
There is far more than 30 seconds of video and Ive seen all of it. He has clear identifiable lettering showing he is PRESS
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We're not talking about the same thing. I'm not disagreeing with you about the Guevara case. But the 30-second video here I mean is the one the mayor of LA was quoting off Twitter, which just shows somebody (I don't think anybody really knows who it was) with horses and lines of men going through a park. In that video, they are being videotaped and not making any objection.
 
Tangmo said:
Accuracy is my concern at Wild West threads like this. I feel the need to fact slap so many hysterical liberals who are forever crying out that the military is carrying out the Generealissimo's fascist holocaust against 'em. There's no question it's what the Generalissimo wants. What the mass of libs are oblivious to is that the armed forces will have nothing to do with it. Liberals being as unrelentingly ignorant of the armed forces as they are, I know I'm pissing up a rope to state the reality of the armed forces. I Soldier on nonetheless.
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I appreciate the accuracy that these aren’t actual military.

It doesn’t change the reality - in fact, it makes it a bit more concerning.

Then who are they? What training do they have?
 
Tangmo said:
Only ICE agents were in the park and active in the park.

The National Guard was not in the park.

Marines in LA were not in the park.

It's common for local/county and federal LEO to dress in ground forces battle gear and to use ground forces armored vehicles. The officers your post is referencing were ICE -- they were NOT NG and NOT Mnutshell.
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Basically Trump's personal paramilitary.
 
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