Protest against Chinese President Hu.

[jfuh]

Umm historically we have loaned out more money then any other country in the history of the world, I just think it's hypocritical that China and other Communist nations have free reign to default on our loans without it effecting their trade but we can't do the same.

Of course, it didn't effect china to the least bit did it?

Just look at Venezuela they're confiscating our bussinesses but people still trade with them . . . same with Cuba.

Search no further for blame then our own addiction to oil.

We run the IMF and the WTO unless you haven't noticed.

Ok, so what?

 

[Kandahar]

They have no property rights in China, and allthough private enterprise is allowed it is still heavily regulated and the state can take it when ever it pleases.

You have obviously never been to China; I have. While it's certainly not a human rights paradise, it is nowhere near as backward as you seem to believe. Property rights are one of the few areas in human rights in which China actually does quite well (by global standards).

You're right that there is still a lot of regulation in industry, but the state doesn't routinely just confiscate things on a whim. If they did, people would have no incentive to work and the Chinese economy wouldn't be growing at 10% annually.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

You have never been to China; I have. While it's certainly not a human rights paradise, it is nowhere near as backward as you seem to believe. Property rights are one of the few areas in human rights in which China actually does quite well (by global standards).

That is a blatant lie I saw the other day that the Chinese governent was going into peoples houses and pulling them out (including an infirmed woman) and then proceeded to bulldoze the house to make way for developers, they do all this without providing any financial componsation what so ever. In China property rights are non-existent and what's more the proposed property rights legislation that the party was going to pass couldn't be passed because it is actually in violation of their constitution. In China there are no property rights, none, zip, zero!!!

 

[Kandahar]

That is a blatant lie I saw the other day that the Chinese governent was going into peoples houses and pulling them out (including an infirmed woman) and then proceeded to bulldoze the house to make way for developers, they do all this without providing any financial componsation what so ever.

If that is true, the mere fact that you heard about it shows that it is not the norm.

In China property rights are non-existent and what's more the proposed property rights legislation that the party was going to pass couldn't be passed because it is actually in violation of their constitution. In China there are no property rights, none, zip, zero!!!

So if there are no property rights, why do the Chinese bother to work hard and grow their economy at a faster rate than any other country in the world? Just for the hell of it?

 

[ludahai]

They have no property rights in China, and allthough private enterprise is allowed it is still heavily regulated and the state can take it when ever it pleases.

You beat me to the punch. Though, it does seem that they are in danger of tettering over from Communist to Fascist.

 

[teacher]

You have obviously never been to China; I have.

Aya, zenme ban? Bie shou TOT. Ta zhidoa.

This has gotten silly foolish. The Chinese are nice to their people and they can bring down America without a shot.

 

[ludahai]

I did, reread my posts.

t But how does screwing china protect the environment exactly?

..ok :roll:

Hmmm. Perhaps slow down a machine that is rapidly destroying its own environment, and in the process damaging the environment in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and even having negative impact on the environment in western North America!

 

[jfuh]

Hmmm. Perhaps slow down a machine that is rapidly destroying its own environment, and in the process damaging the environment in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and even having negative impact on the environment in western North America!

It would take a helluva lot more then simply the US "controling". The same would have to apply to India as well.

 

[jfuh]

That is a blatant lie I saw the other day that the Chinese governent was going into peoples houses and pulling them out (including an infirmed woman) and then proceeded to bulldoze the house to make way for developers, they do all this without providing any financial componsation what so ever. In China property rights are non-existent and what's more the proposed property rights legislation that the party was going to pass couldn't be passed because it is actually in violation of their constitution. In China there are no property rights, none, zip, zero!!!

Depends on where you go and who it is that it's happening to. I recommend you watch the documentary from NYtimes, and Discovery Times called China Rises. Does a great piece on modern day China and it's bipolar disorder.

 

[jfuh]

You have proved nothing that is your own opinion.

That's your opinion.

Umm because they are soon to be the largest consumers of fossil fuels and their environmental regulations are almost non-existent.

So why are you limiting your argument to China alone? India is just as fossil fuel hungry.
Wait a tic, am I reading this correctly? Fossil fuels effect the environment according to tot? I thought you said humans have zero, zip, nadda effect on the environment?

 

[jfuh]

Well, that's a difference of opinion that can only be solved if it comes to pass. You can play your numbers will bring down America. I'll say the rest of the world will deal with us just fine, keep buying our food and movies, sending their kids to our Universities, their sick to our hospitals. Shipping us BMW's and Toyota's for us to buy. Running to us when a Saddam rolls onto their turf.

Have something to back up such a claim? Cause very soon, China is going to be replacing Japan as our number 1 debt holder.

8 trillion, please. What's that compared to the real wealth of America? Carlin says the glass is too big. And I suppose humans put the hole in the sky too?

How effective is real wealth when the government is shut down?
Yes, humans very much did put the ozone hole above antarctica there. Care to debate this closed issue?

China can shut down America. You've been reading to many economics text books from thirty years ago. You probably sold stock on 9/12.

At least I've been reading.
but as for 30 years ago? Got your dates right? China was hardly an economic force back in the 70's. They just ended the cultural revolution 30 years ago and was amongst the poorest nations in the world.

 

[jfuh]

Aya, zenme ban? Bie shou TOT. Ta zhidoa.

This has gotten silly foolish. The Chinese are nice to their people and they can bring down America without a shot.

bie shuo xiao`. Tot lian ban` dian zhi shi` dou mei you.
But yes this has gotten a bit foolish.

 

[ludahai]

You have obviously never been to China; I have. While it's certainly not a human rights paradise, it is nowhere near as backward as you seem to believe. Property rights are one of the few areas in human rights in which China actually does quite well (by global standards).

HUH?!?!? In reality, property rights ARE limited. Don't say I haven't been to China because I have LIVED there. The people don't have the right to own real property. Sure, the changed their constitution a couple of years back to allow it, but will they give the land back to those they confiscated it from fifty years ago? No. The government has been in the practice of granting long-term leases on land, but the land is owned by the government.

You're right that there is still a lot of regulation in industry, but the state doesn't routinely just confiscate things on a whim. If they did, people would have no incentive to work and the Chinese economy wouldn't be growing at 10% annually.

The government CAn confiscate real "property" on a whim because it doesn't belong to the people. Just ask the peasants who lose land because some government official wants to see a new factory or resort on the land. Or are those rural demonstrations just a figment of the anti-China hysteria?

 

[ludahai]

It would take a helluva lot more then simply the US "controling". The same would have to apply to India as well.

Agreed, but it would be a start. The environmental problem in India is of a different nature and is more due to its overpopulation than it is to industrial policies as it is in China. Also, China's desertification problem is worse than India's. If you are in the region, perhaps you have seen the sand lately. It has even reached Taiwan and even this weekend, we have a sand alert in the northern and western portions of the country.

 

[ludahai]

bie shuo xiao`. Tot lian ban` dian zhi shi` dou mei you.
But yes this has gotten a bit foolish.

你們會不會用國文? I haven't used Hanyu Pinyin in years.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

You know what **** money!!! I have never in my whole life based my morality on my own financial gain, and why when it comes to China am I supposed to change my beliefs?!?!?!

**** the P.R.O.C. to hell with their 30 pieces of silver I p!ss on it!!! Nex ut tyrannus y sic semper tyrannus, licentia vel nex!!!!!

 

[teacher]

你們會不會用國文? I haven't used Hanyu Pinyin in years.

Wo ye bu zhidao. 我还不知道. What I need is a Pinyin to character translater.

 

[ludahai]

Wo ye bu zhidao. 我还不知道. What I need is a Pinyin to character translater.

Why are you using the hideous simplified characters?

 

[Jay R]

I love to imagine that at the state lunch there was a Bush blunder along the lines of the old "Who's on First" sketch.
Cheney:"I'm afraid Hu is sitting in that seat Mr President."
George:"Who's sitting where?"
Cheney:"Hu's sitting there Sir."
George:"Godammit Dick how am I supposed to know? Condi, who's sitting here?"
Rice:"Hu, Mr President."
:rofl :rofl :rofl
If George was only half as funny as the liberals like to make out he'd be ruling Saturday Night Live.

 

[Captain America]

我們向您致敬胡總統

:rofl

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Falun Gong:

LICENTIA VEL NEX! LIBERTY OR DEATH!

 

[teacher]

Why are you using the hideous simplified characters?

我未講中文 二十年. Wo mei shuo(?) zhongwen ershi nian. Dui bu dui?

I guess it's the sites fonts.

Pinyin is all I remember. I have to go to a site and type English in to get Chinese characters then try to use my English/Pinyin skills to translate the characters. Like I said, it's been twenty years. I've been looking for a site that will use Pinyin. About all I remember is my given Chinese name.

Bian (4)

Obviously even back then at 17 my Chinese teacher knew me well and had a sence-o-humor.

And watch your step. Kandahar has been to China.

 

[jfuh]

Agreed, but it would be a start. The environmental problem in India is of a different nature and is more due to its overpopulation than it is to industrial policies as it is in China. Also, China's desertification problem is worse than India's. If you are in the region, perhaps you have seen the sand lately. It has even reached Taiwan and even this weekend, we have a sand alert in the northern and western portions of the country.

If we really want to be serious about starting environmental protection (which I wholy support), then every single country needs to step in. The current pollution situation in China is a disgrace. Of the top 20 most polluted cities in the world China has 7. I have a big issue with China's pollution, wtf use is a soaring economy when you've destroyed the environment you reside in? That cost is much too high.
THe desertification situation that is happening over there though is a different beast all together. This is not simply pollution persay, but the cost of development. You drain ground water for metropolitan use, the upper portions dry. You cut all the trees on top, the soil looses ability to retain any moisture and errodes very quickly.
Fortunately, but much too slowly, reforestation efforts are in place on many of the local levels within the population and there's a grassroots movment following the recent changes in thier constitution and government that respect thier own damn constitution.

 

[jfuh]

你們會不會用國文? I haven't used Hanyu Pinyin in years.

你若是要我用中文,沒問題. 但是網版規則不允許的.
Translation: If you want me to use Chinese, no problem, however it's against forum rules.

 

[jfuh]

我們向您致敬胡總統

:rofl

Total respect :lamo