Prosecutors unlikely to charge Trump Org executives

[Athanasius68]

You are telling us the opinion of at least half the American people is something to be dismissed? Perhaps that is the Trumpkin wish - but its not happening.

Not at all. However, you are the one worrying about the system bursting if those 50% don't get what they want.

 

[Athanasius68]

You should not be mystified since it was Trump who publicly brought up a "second amendment solution" and its obvious implications of force and violence if things did not work out his way. .

When did Trump say this?

Yesterday somebody attacked a detention center. A year or so ago, somebody tried to gun down the Republican House leadership. With Trump, It's theoretical.

 

[haymarket]

Not at all. However, you are the one worrying about the system bursting if those 50% don't get what they want.

That is not my point. I would advise you to go back and read it again - this time with an open mind.

 

[haymarket]

When did Trump say this?

Yesterday somebody attacked a detention center. A year or so ago, somebody tried to gun down the Republican House leadership. With Trump, It's theoretical.

With Trump - it's theoretical. What the heck does that even mean and what does it have to do with him talking publicly about a second amendment solution from gun owners and its obvious implications?

Trump was talking about the REAL possibility fo a Clinton victory and the REAL possibility of her appointing judges. The campaign and the Trump threats were very REAL.

 

[Athanasius68]

With Trump - it's theoretical. What the heck does that even mean and what does it have to do with him talking publicly about a second amendment solution from gun owners and its obvious implications?

It means anti-Trump types appear to be actually taking '2nd amendment solutions" to the problem as they define it.

 

[haymarket]

It means anti-Trump types appear to be actually taking '2nd amendment solutions" to the problem as they define it.

I have no idea what that even means as it is nonsense.

 

[Athanasius68]

That is not my point. I would advise you to go back and read it again - this time with an open mind.

It seems consistent with the notes on the theme in this thread--- there are dangers from those who cannot stop Trump through standards means.

 

[haymarket]

It seems consistent with the notes on the theme in this thread--- there are dangers from those who cannot stop Trump through standards means.

Americans care about their nation and the effect of an illegitimate President who has obvious mental failings and serious problems is having on the very fiber of our system and the inability of that same system to effectively deal with him.

Regardless if you agree with that assessment of Trump or not, the problem is still there and it is only getting worse.

That should concern you and every American.

 

[marke]

Americans care about their nation and the effect of an illegitimate President who has obvious mental failings and serious problems is having on the very fiber of our system and the inability of that same system to effectively deal with him.

Regardless if you agree with that assessment of Trump or not, the problem is still there and it is only getting worse.

That should concern you and every American.

Democrats: 'We have analyzed our deplorable president from our bar stools in the strip club as we drank ourselves into a stupor and we have found him insane. He must be removed from office now!'

 

[Athanasius68]

Americans care about their nation and the effect of an illegitimate President who has obvious mental failings and serious problems is having on the very fiber of our system and the inability of that same system to effectively deal with him.

Regardless if you agree with that assessment of Trump or not, the problem is still there and it is only getting worse.

That should concern you and every American.

The problem meaning those who oppose Trump and who believe the system does not effectively deal with him?

 

[haymarket]

The problem meaning those who oppose Trump and who believe the system does not effectively deal with him?

The problem being the continual attack and erosion by Trump on the very norms that underpin our government and the continuation of this throughout his term in office and his getting away with it. That is first and foremost.

Citizen awareness of the problem and their dissatisfaction with it is another problem related to the first.

They are related and intertwined together.

 

[Athanasius68]

The problem being the continual attack and erosion by Trump on the very norms that underpin our government and the continuation of this throughout his term in office and his getting away with it. That is first and foremost.

Citizen awareness of the problem and their dissatisfaction with it is another problem related to the first.

They are related and intertwined together.

What 'norms' has he violated? Responding to attacks via TWITTER comes to mind, but he is scarcely the first president to lash out at political opponents. The use of Executive privilege is not unprecedented.

 

[Torus34]

Perhaps what we're seeing is nothing more than the white collar/blue collar divide. An ozie of pot = Rikers. Campaign finance violations = nada.

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." Anatole France

 

[haymarket]

What 'norms' has he violated? Responding to attacks via TWITTER comes to mind, but he is scarcely the first president to lash out at political opponents. The use of Executive privilege is not unprecedented.

Not respecting checks and balances in the role of Congress to investigate his own administrations actions for one.

Attacking the freedom of the press for another.

Questioning and raising doubts about the validity of elections for another.

And that is just for starters.

And then there is his very style and approach to governing which is a tremendous assault of norms of decency and politeness. Read this

Trump'''s presidency has changed Washington, defied convention

and this

Trump Gambles He Can Shatter Political Norms — and Keep Winning - POLITICO Magazine

Trump self centered, egotistical, bragadocius and insulting demeanor is a daily assault on the very norms we teach our children. He is the opposite of the qualities of a leader.

 

[pamak]

What 'norms' has he violated? Responding to attacks via TWITTER comes to mind, but he is scarcely the first president to lash out at political opponents. The use of Executive privilege is not unprecedented.

Ohh come on!

Is it a norm to have the FBI Director in private meetings without anybody else present (not even the AG) and asking him about his level of loyalty to the president at a time where the FBI investigates president's cabinet members?

 

[sjmay]

The problem being the continual attack and erosion by Trump on the very norms that underpin our government and the continuation of this throughout his term in office and his getting away with it. That is first and foremost.

Citizen awareness of the problem and their dissatisfaction with it is another problem related to the first.

They are related and intertwined together.

And you STILL can't give SPECIFICS of these continual attacks......quit speaking in generalities and talking points.

 

[sjmay]

Ohh come on!

Is it a norm to have the FBI Director in private meetings without anybody else present (not even the AG) and asking him about his level of loyalty to the president at a time where the FBI investigates president's cabinet members?

You have proof of this? Or just one man's word vs another man's word?

 

[Athanasius68]

Not respecting checks and balances in the role of Congress to investigate his own administrations actions for one.

Attacking the freedom of the press for another.

Questioning and raising doubts about the validity of elections for another.

And that is just for starters.

And then there is his very style and approach to governing which is a tremendous assault of norms of decency and politeness. Read this

Trump'''s presidency has changed Washington, defied convention

and this

Trump Gambles He Can Shatter Political Norms — and Keep Winning - POLITICO Magazine

Trump self centered, egotistical, bragadocius and insulting demeanor is a daily assault on the very norms we teach our children. He is the opposite of the qualities of a leader.

1. Executive privlege is quite legit concept.

2. Obama used the government to spy on the press. Trump shoots his mouth off.

3. What election validity is he questioning?

Some of that stuff in the article is hysterics-- He prefers personal relationships to transnationsl diplomacy (how often have we heard about the relationship between Reagan and Thatcher?) Other stuff is valid (his TWITTER insults BUT it ought be point out he responds, he doesnt initiate). He has a different style.

 

[Athanasius68]

Ohh come on!

Is it a norm to have the FBI Director in private meetings without anybody else present (not even the AG) and asking him about his level of loyalty to the president at a time where the FBI investigates president's cabinet members?

what cabinet members was the FBI investigating when Trump met with Comey?

 

[haymarket]

And you STILL can't give SPECIFICS of these continual attacks......quit speaking in generalities and talking points.

Apparently you participate in a thread but do not read others postings. My post 239 was very specific.

 

[haymarket]

1. Executive privlege is quite legit concept.

2. Obama used the government to spy on the press. Trump shoots his mouth off.

3. What election validity is he questioning?

Some of that stuff in the article is hysterics-- He prefers personal relationships to transnationsl diplomacy (how often have we heard about the relationship between Reagan and Thatcher?) Other stuff is valid (his TWITTER insults BUT it ought be point out he responds, he doesnt initiate). He has a different style.

Abuse of Executive Privilege is NOT a legit concept nor legit usage as used by Trump it is intended to prevent any oversight from Congress of his administration and that goes against checks and balances in the Constitution.

The Limits of Executive Privilege

I don't care about right wing Obama whataboutism that uses something Obama did or did not do to justify the abuses of Trump. An abuse is an abuse no matter who does it.

Trump stated if he did not win - then the election results were suspect and only if he won would he accept it.
Trump won't accept election results if he loses as Clinton expands campaign into red states | Washington Week

He still to this day questions the validity of the vote.
Trump spars with Chuck Todd over 2016 popular vote totals

 

[sjmay]

Apparently you participate in a thread but do not read others postings. My post 239 was very specific.

No it wasn't, you listed talking points...not specific actions.

 

[haymarket]

No it wasn't, you listed talking points...not specific actions.

Then you cannot read properly or you cannot comprehend properly if you lie about the content of my post.

 

[sjmay]

Then you cannot read properly or you cannot comprehend properly if you lie about the content of my post.

Yep, that's it....

He attacks the norms!!!

That was very very specific......

 

[pamak]

what cabinet members was the FBI investigating when Trump met with Comey?

Flynn!