Proof God Exists: Here is my 11-Step Logical Proof. Enjoy.

[zyzygy]

Sorry, but no, just no. It does not make me wary of Muslims.

And what the hell does gay have to do with child molestation?

Catholic priests?

 

[Yasureoktoo]

People who belong to a terrorist group are never nice people. Sorry, but that is IMO totally untrue.

Except the Nazi party was not a terrorist organization. It's leadership might have been evil enough to be a terrorist organization but they were not, they were war criminals.

I would almost agree with that, however some muslims are very nice people,
however they all belong to the same terror group.

 

[zyzygy]

I would almost agree with that, however some muslims are very nice people,
however they all belong to the same terror group.

That post made our Muslim bass player burst out laughing.

 

[jet57]

Ladies and gentlemen, a couple of years ago, I devised a logical proof God exists. It is based on the Good Fruits argument, using canonized saints of the Catholic Church, who are universally recognized as great people because they lived among the people they served, and usually endured harsh situations at some point in life. All had strong prayer lives, and daily prayer interaction with God. There are a few postulates which must be accepted on their face. Here is my proof. I hope it will lead a few atheists to conversion back to God.

1. Postulate #1: A wise person is a good (virtuous) person and a good person is a wise person.
2. Postulate #2: If a person is good (virtuous) in one area, he is good across the board.
3 Therefore, if a person is wise in one area, he is wise across the board.
4. Postulate: #3 Wisdom is Truth.
5 Postulate #4: A canonized saint of the Catholic Church is a person who is universally recognized by the majority to have been a very good person in life.
6 Postulate #5: Canonized saints by definition, were very devout believers in God.
7 Since canonized saints are universally recognized as very good people, then by postulate #1, they are very wise people.
8. Since canonized saints are very wise people, by Postulate #2, they are very wise people in all areas, across the board.
9 Therefore, it is very wise to believe in God, since canonized saints were devout believers in God.
10. And since wisdom is truth by Postulate #3 believing in God is wise and therefore the truth
11. Therefore it is true God exists.

Well, you've proved nothing.

 

[Yasureoktoo]

That post made our Muslim bass player burst out laughing.

I'm glad I humored him.
Does he know anything about Islam.

 

[Mashmont]

Sorry, but no, just no. It does not make me wary of Muslims.

And what the hell does gay have to do with child molestation?

Apparently, a whole lot. The RCC banned gays from entering the seminaries in the US in 2005. Since then, molestations have fallen to virutally zero.

 

[Daisy]

Apparently, a whole lot. The RCC banned gays from entering the seminaries in the US in 2005. Since then, molestations have fallen to virutally zero.

Why in the world were they allowed in to begin with?

 

[RAMOSS]

Why in the world were they allowed in to begin with?

I would love to see evidence that 'molestions have fallen to virtually zero' too. Unsupported claims are unsupported claims.

 

[Mashmont]

Why in the world were they allowed in to begin with?

They might not have known how to screen in the old days.

 

[Daisy]

They might not have known how to screen in the old days.

How do they do it now? People can lie, you know...

 

[Mashmont]

I would love to see evidence that 'molestions have fallen to virtually zero' too. Unsupported claims are unsupported claims.

Last year’s audit found that the number of allegations - the vast majority which occurred more
than 30 years ago, decreased significantly as compared to 2015 and 2016, and were similar to the
number reported in 2014. However, there were 24 allegations that involved current minors. Of
these, six were substantiated as of June 30, 2017 and the clergy were removed from ministry.
These allegations came from three different dioceses. Four of the six allegations were against the
same priest.

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...Cesareo-to-the-Body-of-Bishops-Final-2018.pdf

So that's six cases deemed credible between July, 2016 and June, 2017, four by the same priest. That's out of 110,000 priests nationwide. Not convictions, mind you. Allegations, credible enough to investigate. Six in a year is pretty close to zero.

 

[Mashmont]

How do they do it now? People can lie, you know...

They do a lot of psychological testing and in-depth interviews with a lot of people, including, of course the candidate.

 

[Peter King]

I would almost agree with that, however some muslims are very nice people,
however they all belong to the same terror group.

No, only a small minority belong to a terror group, the rest are overwhelmingly nice and/or backward people (at least when it comes to enlightenment, they are a few centuries behind the 8-ball on that one).

That was my whole point, Muslims are not part of a terror group, terrorist Muslims are part of a terror group, the rest of the Muslims (which is 99.9999999% of the billion plus Muslims) does not belong to the same terror group.

 

[Peter King]

Apparently, a whole lot. The RCC banned gays from entering the seminaries in the US in 2005. Since then, molestations have fallen to virutally zero.

That is utter nonsense. They were getting caught right left and center and the Vatican finally stopped moving pedo priests around and that is the reason why it seems to have gone down. We do not know if it is a true gone down to zero or that priests have become more secretive and careful who and when they molest boys and/or girls.

Also, gays as a whole do not have an unhealthy desire to have sex with pre-teen boys or younger. The vast majority of gays just want sex with adults or virtually adults. In that they are exactly the same straight men.

The only thing that will really put an end to child molestation and unwanted sexual behavior from priests is allowing them to have legal sex and get married.

 

[Yasureoktoo]

No, only a small minority belong to a terror group, the rest are overwhelmingly nice and/or backward people (at least when it comes to enlightenment, they are a few centuries behind the 8-ball on that one).

That was my whole point, Muslims are not part of a terror group, terrorist Muslims are part of a terror group, the rest of the Muslims (which is 99.9999999% of the billion plus Muslims) does not belong to the same terror group.

I see you are not familiar with the Islamic religion.
Islam is a terror group.
Muhammed was a terrorist,
He encouraged his men to be terrorist.
Islam has written orders from God to, enslave, convert, or kill, you, me, and our families.

Most muslims themselves know little about the religion itself.

 

[marke]

No, only a small minority belong to a terror group, the rest are overwhelmingly nice and/or backward people (at least when it comes to enlightenment, they are a few centuries behind the 8-ball on that one).

That was my whole point, Muslims are not part of a terror group, terrorist Muslims are part of a terror group, the rest of the Muslims (which is 99.9999999% of the billion plus Muslims) does not belong to the same terror group.

A good American Muslim, like Obama seems to be, will rarely speak out against Muslim terrorism while secretly harboring pride for the assumed bravery of their jihadist Muslim brothers.

 

[Peter King]

I see you are not familiar with the Islamic religion.
Islam is a terror group.
Muhammed was a terrorist,
He encouraged his men to be terrorist.
Islam has written orders from God to, enslave, convert, or kill, you, me, and our families.

Most muslims themselves know little about the religion itself.

No, I see the highly biased view of christians on Islam.

Both the roman catholic church and the islamic faith can be viewed as terrorist during the past. Both have the blood of many on their hands.

Yeah, and the catholic church has no verses about killing people not of the christian faith :lamo

Deuteronomy 13 New International Version (NIV)
Worshiping Other Gods

13 [a]If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, 17 and none of the condemned things[c] are to be found in your hands. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you. He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestors— 18 because you obey the Lord your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.

Yeah, those evil Muslims :roll: the word of god in the bible is nothing like the words of those evil muslims :rofl

 

[ataraxia]

A good American Muslim, like Obama seems to be, will rarely speak out against Muslim terrorism while secretly harboring pride for the assumed bravery of their jihadist Muslim brothers.

How do you know this?

 

[Peter King]

A good American Muslim, like Obama seems to be, will rarely speak out against Muslim terrorism while secretly harboring pride for the assumed bravery of their jihadist Muslim brothers.

Good more christian fables I see about Obama (who as we all know is a christian) and he spoke up about islamic terrorism and combated it relentlessly. Sadly the hatred for Obama still lives deep in the hearts of christians who tell nothing but lies about him when it comes to his faith.

 

[marke]

How do you know this?

Because so many 'peaceful' Muslims do not openly condemn and deplore Muslim-inspired terrorists, jihadism and terrorism.

 

[marke]

Good more christian fables I see about Obama (who as we all know is a christian) and he spoke up about islamic terrorism and combated it relentlessly. Sadly the hatred for Obama still lives deep in the hearts of christians who tell nothing but lies about him when it comes to his faith.

Obama: 'I reject criticisms of the Ft. Hood shooter as an indication that workplace violence shooters are related to Muslim teachings.'

 

[JustHanging]

I see you are not familiar with the Islamic religion.
Islam is a terror group.
Muhammed was a terrorist,
He encouraged his men to be terrorist.
Islam has written orders from God to, enslave, convert, or kill, you, me, and our families.

Most muslims themselves know little about the religion itself.

And Jesus told his followers they need to kill non-believers when he said the OT laws were still in effect. And most Christians know little about the religion itself.

Christianity and Islam are two sides of the same coin.

 

[calamity]

Because so many 'peaceful' Muslims do not openly condemn and deplore Muslim-inspired terrorists, jihadism and terrorism.

I'm still waiting for the supposed many peaceful Christians to openly condemn and deplore Christian-inspired terrorists, crusaders and terrorism.

 

[Mashmont]

I'm still waiting for the supposed many peaceful Christians to openly condemn and deplore Christian-inspired terrorists, crusaders and terrorism.

I don't know any Christian-inspired terrorists. That doesn't make sense. Jesus never preached nor inspired terrorism.

 

[Mashmont]

And Jesus told his followers they need to kill non-believers when he said the OT laws were still in effect. And most Christians know little about the religion itself.

Christianity and Islam are two sides of the same coin.

When did Jesus tell His followers to kill unbelievers? Verse, please?