Professor Who Defended Pedophiles Announces Resignation

[VySky]

That didn't work out so well for the nutty professor. Obviously not firing on all cylinders
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A college professor in Virginia has announced plans to resign after defending pedophiles.

Allyn Walker, a professor at Old Dominion University (ODU), wrote a book that referred to pedophiles as “minor-attracted people” and detailed their “pursuit of dignity.”


Walker, who identifies as nonbinary, told the Protasia Foundation earlier this month that there are “a lot of misconceptions about attractions toward minors” and claimed that it’s not immoral to be attracted to children, provided people don’t carry out sexual abuse against them.


The professor has also said the descriptor of “minor-attracted people” is “a less stigmatizing term” than pedophiles.

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[Integrityrespec]

That didn't work out so well for the nutty professor. Obviously not firing on all cylinders
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A college professor in Virginia has announced plans to resign after defending pedophiles.

Allyn Walker, a professor at Old Dominion University (ODU), wrote a book that referred to pedophiles as “minor-attracted people” and detailed their “pursuit of dignity.”


Walker, who identifies as nonbinary, told the Protasia Foundation earlier this month that there are “a lot of misconceptions about attractions toward minors” and claimed that it’s not immoral to be attracted to children, provided people don’t carry out sexual abuse against them.


The professor has also said the descriptor of “minor-attracted people” is “a less stigmatizing term” than pedophiles.

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Call it what it is. Pedophiles. Darn shame it hurts their feelings.

 

[Ug make hammer]

It's not immoral to be attracted to children, but it is cause to cautious. There's an overwhelming trend in other sexualities, to act out fantasies. All children would be safer if pedophiles could be publicly known without getting beaten up or ostracized. It could be their business like any other sexuality, and maybe they would hook up with child-like adults for mutual sexual fun.

My opinion on this changes the moment someone shows me a cure for pedophilia. Note: not aversion therapy, that aims to prevent offending but does not change the attraction any more than aversion therapy changes gays to straights. Social isolation isn't a cure, in fact, it lowers the bar of what a pedo has to fear (to death in some cases) making them more dangerous to children.

 

[Ug make hammer]

Call it what it is. Pedophiles. Darn shame it hurts their feelings.

People who never have and never will offend against children, given the same name as actual offenders? How is that right?

Modern usage of "pedophile" is not "lover of or attracted to children". It's more like "criminal pervert liable to offend at any time"

The point would be a lot easier to make if I knew your sexuality. Let's suppose you're Male and Straight. Most rapists are male and straight, therefore we have to keep an eye on you. Offended at all?

 

[VySky]

It's not immoral to be attracted to children, but it is cause to cautious. There's an overwhelming trend in other sexualities, to act out fantasies. All children would be safer if pedophiles could be publicly known without getting beaten up or ostracized. It could be their business like any other sexuality, and maybe they would hook up with child-like adults for mutual sexual fun.

My opinion on this changes the moment someone shows me a cure for pedophilia. Note: not aversion therapy, that aims to prevent offending but does not change the attraction any more than aversion therapy changes gays to straights. Social isolation isn't a cure, in fact, it lowers the bar of what a pedo has to fear (to death in some cases) making them more dangerous to children.

Looking for a cure for pedophilia is like looking for a cure for being gay. Isn’t that what the nutty professor is saying? That pedos are born that way?

 

[Ug make hammer]

Looking for a cure for pedophilia is like looking for a cure for being gay. Isn’t that what the nutty professor is saying? That pedos are born that way?

Not having read the book ... it does seem to be that. There are gay people who for whatever reason are not sexually active. They may have gotten married before realizing they were gay, then kept their marriage vows. Or they may still be too homophobic (yeah, a homophobic gay, it's a thing).

Certainly I agree with her tack. If we can find how non-offending pedos/maps avoid acting out, that could be "taught" in therapy sessions and save a lot of grief all round. I guess such an intervention would happen around puberty, particularly since kids of that age aren't good at hiding anything.

 

[Felis Leo]

Looking for a cure for pedophilia is like looking for a cure for being gay. Isn’t that what the nutty professor is saying? That pedos are born that way?

I think it is pretty obvious that pedophiles are born that way, or at the very least something in their upbringing/early development wired their brains to find kids attractive. Other than a complete psychopath who does not care who they hurt, who would consciously choose to be sexually attracted to children? And that seems to be true of all romantic desires. I am a heterosexual male, but when I was a boy turning into a young man, I do not remembering choosing to be attracted to women. That just happened.

 

[VySky]

I think it is pretty obvious that pedophiles are born that way, or at the very least something in their upbringing/early development wired their brains to find kids attractive. Other than a complete psychopath who does not care who they hurt, who would consciously choose to be sexually attracted to children?

I think the individual believes there was a cure for her confusion about gender. Why one thinks unnatural thoughts relative to sexual attractions for pedos requires intervention is puzzling considering her lost in space gender identity problem. Seems she could start with her own issues first?

I can see why she would try legitimizing pedophilia

 

[Felis Leo]

People who never have and never will offend against children, given the same name as actual offenders? How is that right?

Modern usage of "pedophile" is not "lover of or attracted to children". It's more like "criminal pervert liable to offend at any time"

The point would be a lot easier to make if I knew your sexuality. Let's suppose you're Male and Straight. Most rapists are male and straight, therefore we have to keep an eye on you. Offended at all?

The difference is that the objects of a pedophile's sexual desire are forever forbidden to them, because prepubescent children cannot give consent to be in a sexual relationship with an adult. What they would wish to do would automatically be some form of sex crime of the highest degree in almost all developed countries. Though pedophiles who manage to go their whole lives suppressing their desires and keep from raping children or purchasing child pornography (where real children are sexually abused or raped) should be given some form of accolades, I suppose. I just do not know what that should be.

 

[Ug make hammer]

The difference is that the objects of a pedophile's sexual desire are forever forbidden to them, because prepubescent children cannot give consent to be in a sexual relationship with an adult.

I was trying for "you're likely an offender, or one bad beach holiday away from being an offender because other people like you are".

What they would wish to do would automatically be some form of sex crime of the highest degree in almost all developed countries. Though pedophiles who manage to go their whole lives suppressing their desires and keep from raping children or purchasing child pornography (where real children are sexually abused or raped) should be given some form of accolades, I suppose. I just do not know what that should be.

When being "outed" could lead to their death, there isn't much scope for accolades.

Death-bed confessions maybe?

 

[RetiredUSN]

That didn't work out so well for the nutty professor. Obviously not firing on all cylinders
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A college professor in Virginia has announced plans to resign after defending pedophiles.

Allyn Walker, a professor at Old Dominion University (ODU), wrote a book that referred to pedophiles as “minor-attracted people” and detailed their “pursuit of dignity.”


Walker, who identifies as nonbinary, told the Protasia Foundation earlier this month that there are “a lot of misconceptions about attractions toward minors” and claimed that it’s not immoral to be attracted to children, provided people don’t carry out sexual abuse against them.


The professor has also said the descriptor of “minor-attracted people” is “a less stigmatizing term” than pedophiles.

Professor Who Defended Pedophiles Announces Resignation | ZeroHedge

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It's been all over talk radio here in the area.

 

[Rickeroo]

That didn't work out so well for the nutty professor. Obviously not firing on all cylinders
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A college professor in Virginia has announced plans to resign after defending pedophiles.

Allyn Walker, a professor at Old Dominion University (ODU), wrote a book that referred to pedophiles as “minor-attracted people” and detailed their “pursuit of dignity.”


Walker, who identifies as nonbinary, told the Protasia Foundation earlier this month that there are “a lot of misconceptions about attractions toward minors” and claimed that it’s not immoral to be attracted to children, provided people don’t carry out sexual abuse against them.


The professor has also said the descriptor of “minor-attracted people” is “a less stigmatizing term” than pedophiles.

Professor Who Defended Pedophiles Announces Resignation | ZeroHedge

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This professor has a point. It's been brought up many times that gay people can't help who they are attracted to, as if that's an excuse and justification to behave in homosexual behavior. No one "chooses" to be gay.

Likewise, one can't "choose" to be attracted to a 3 year old. If the lack of choice is an excuse for gays to be gay, then that same lack of choice could make us understand the pedophile in a more sensitive light.

 

[Mircea]

My opinion on this changes the moment someone shows me a cure for pedophilia.

Good luck with that.

In the history of the Universe there isn't even one single case of a pedophile being "cured."

There's no case of a true rapist being cured, either. By that I mean a serial rapist (nearly all of them are) and others, not some 17, 18 or 19 year old that had sex with his 15, 16 or 17 year old girlfriend.

Looking for a cure for pedophilia is like looking for a cure for being gay. Isn’t that what the nutty professor is saying? That pedos are born that way?

No, pedophiles and rapists aren't born that way, rather they are created.

I've had the displeasure of interrogating pedophiles and rapists. These are truly whacked people.

I once had a pedophile tell me I'm the one that's abnormal because I don't want to have sex with a 3 year old.

 

[VanceMack]

Ewww.....

I could just pass on this topic. Probably should. But here goes.

I am not defending pedophiles. I dont get the sense that the professor was penning a book defending pedophiles that perpetrate. It sounds like what he was doing was trying to shed light on a taboo topic.

I cant explain attraction. Good luck trying to. There probably a few thousands forms of attraction.. __________-philia...things which people are for whatever reason attracted to. Ignoring it as a reality is dangerous. Shaming people because of it is equally dangerous. One of the flaws in treatment of sexual predators in prisons or in release programs is that they are often guilt or shame based treatments. Obviously acting on natural desires is often wrong...very wrong...criminally wrong...but wouldnt it be more healthy to have a better understanding of the why in working to prevent the what? More importantly, wouldnt creating shame in an individual make them more likely to perpetrate...not less?

Academically, accepting the attraction as a 'normal' thing but one that the individual is morally bound to repress is risky. Academically. And probably not for the reasons he had to resign over. Imagine if this were to extend beyond pedophilia. Transgenderism...something we cant necessarily explain but something people can control. Homosexuality...natural...something we cant necessarily explain, but something we can choose to not act on. The other walks with his feet on both sides of the line on this topic. As someone who is gay and trans, people could easily point to her and say OK...so if you expect control from the pedophile, why not you?

Risky.

 

[Roadvirus]

That didn't work out so well for the nutty professor. Obviously not firing on all cylinders
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A college professor in Virginia has announced plans to resign after defending pedophiles.

Allyn Walker, a professor at Old Dominion University (ODU), wrote a book that referred to pedophiles as “minor-attracted people” and detailed their “pursuit of dignity.”


Walker, who identifies as nonbinary, told the Protasia Foundation earlier this month that there are “a lot of misconceptions about attractions toward minors” and claimed that it’s not immoral to be attracted to children, provided people don’t carry out sexual abuse against them.


The professor has also said the descriptor of “minor-attracted people” is “a less stigmatizing term” than pedophiles.

Professor Who Defended Pedophiles Announces Resignation | ZeroHedge

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Good riddance. The last thing we need is some slug trying to legitimize and/or humanize child sex freaks.

 

[99percenter]

He should become a cathlolic priest.

 

[Ug make hammer]

Good luck with that.

In the history of the Universe there isn't even one single case of a pedophile being "cured."

Even those who transitioned to the other gender?

There's no case of a true rapist being cured, either. By that I mean a serial rapist (nearly all of them are) and others, not some 17, 18 or 19 year old that had sex with his 15, 16 or 17 year old girlfriend.

See, I wouldn't want to assert that on principle alone. For that matter, what principle are you relying on?

No, pedophiles and rapists aren't born that way, rather they are created.

I've had the displeasure of interrogating pedophiles and rapists. These are truly whacked people.

I once had a pedophile tell me I'm the one that's abnormal because I don't want to have sex with a 3 year old.

Was this immediately after you accused him/her of being abnormal?

 

[Ug make hammer]

Ewww.....

I could just pass on this topic. Probably should. But here goes.

I am not defending pedophiles. I dont get the sense that the professor was penning a book defending pedophiles that perpetrate. It sounds like what he was doing was trying to shed light on a taboo topic.

I cant explain attraction. Good luck trying to. There probably a few thousands forms of attraction.. __________-philia...things which people are for whatever reason attracted to. Ignoring it as a reality is dangerous. Shaming people because of it is equally dangerous. One of the flaws in treatment of sexual predators in prisons or in release programs is that they are often guilt or shame based treatments. Obviously acting on natural desires is often wrong...very wrong...criminally wrong...but wouldnt it be more healthy to have a better understanding of the why in working to prevent the what? More importantly, wouldnt creating shame in an individual make them more likely to perpetrate...not less?

Even psychiatrists and psychologists likely have a distorted view of pedophilia IF the only patients they ever examine are offenders. It would be good if pre-offenders (ie non offenders who are concerned about where their habits may lead) went to those professionals; they might pass along some 'coping strategies' besides the rather drastic aversion therapy that's considered necessary for offenders.

I have a feeling that punishing themselves for particular bad thoughts will screw them up in other ways. For instance not being able to get aroused without punishment. Or getting aroused by children's socks rather than children. Or play-acting the classroom where they first realized they were attracted to underage but didn't know it was wrong.

It would be good to know the stage in life where pedophilia develops. What if it's in early childhood? What if it begins with simple shyness, then after other kids have finished 'play dating' and 'playing at getting married' the pedophile is still stuck on the age they and the object of their attraction were then? In a way this would be the most positive of all, because the solution would be in greater parent awareness. It's normal for little kids to 'fool around' so don't be afraid they will discover they're gay. They just have to pass this phase and there's plenty of time later (around puberty) to start over.

The opposite is also possible. Little kids might get too much gratification from fooling around, and then be told that it's naughty. This model of pedophilia implies that they're seeking sex within a setting of childhood innocence ... plainly not the case for all pedos, but maybe for some. Maybe the non-offending ones.

It's widely agreed that the offender being abused themselves as a child, is a huge indicator. But is the same true for non-offending pedophiles? Wouldn't it be great if all we had to do, to vastly reduce child sexual offending, would be to punish it within families and from friends of families, consistently over one or more generations?

Academically, accepting the attraction as a 'normal' thing but one that the individual is morally bound to repress is risky. Academically. And probably not for the reasons he had to resign over. Imagine if this were to extend beyond pedophilia. Transgenderism...something we cant necessarily explain but something people can control. Homosexuality...natural...something we cant necessarily explain, but something we can choose to not act on. The other walks with his feet on both sides of the line on this topic. As someone who is gay and trans, people could easily point to her and say OK...so if you expect control from the pedophile, why not you?

Risky.

I think self-control is required in ALL sexualities. What is rare is complete abstinance. We see that even with God to keep them company, celibate priests are far more likely to commit offences than those (eg Anglican) who are permitted to marry.

 

[AmNat]

The difference is that the objects of a pedophile's sexual desire are forever forbidden to them . . .

Not forever. Within fifty years or so pedophiles will be declared a protected class and accorded the same rights as other deviants.

 

[Ug make hammer]

Not forever. Within fifty years or so pedophiles will be declared a protected class and accorded the same rights as other deviants.

That's stupid. I could say more, but it's not necessary.

 

[Mircea]

Even those who transitioned to the other gender?

Gender is irrelevant.

See, I wouldn't want to assert that on principle alone. For that matter, what principle are you relying on?

The fact that the real sexual predators never stop at one victim.

Was this immediately after you accused him/her of being abnormal?

Yes, because it is abnormal. If you can't understand why having sex with a 3-year old is abnormal, you don't need a psychiatrist, you need a team of really good psychiatrists.

 

[Ug make hammer]

Gender is irrelevant.

Not necessarily. Some pedos are purely opportunistic and their options are maximized by attacking either gender. Others prefer one gender and transitioning themselves can put them on a whole other track. In particular, male pedos lose the male-type aggression when they lose their testicles.

The fact that the real sexual predators never stop at one victim.

And no true scotsman would drink vodka. The worst offenders are indeed serial offenders (as with any crime, surely?) but you'll have to show me evidence that they all are.

Yes, because it is abnormal. If you can't understand why having sex with a 3-year old is abnormal, you don't need a psychiatrist, you need a team of really good psychiatrists.

Accusing YOU of being abnormal sounds defensive to me. So was that immediately after you tried to shame the pedo in some way?

BTW, testing anyone by response to an accusation is prone to turn up false positives: partners or family of offenders.

 

[Mr Person]

Let me guess. The latest spazz-out is actually really just about a professor who remarked on the nearly-certain origins of pedophilia in a miswired brain with epigenetic influence, and Russia wanted Trumpists to create some more ****ing useless stink by complaining that there wasn't enough moral condemnation in whatever cherry-picked words they went with.

That about it, @VySky?

 

[Mr Person]

No, pedophiles and rapists aren't born that way, rather they are created.
I've had the displeasure of interrogating pedophiles and rapists. These are truly whacked people.
I once had a pedophile tell me I'm the one that's abnormal because I don't want to have sex with a 3 year old.

And your claimed basis of expertise is?

 

[Deuce]

Looking for a cure for pedophilia is like looking for a cure for being gay. Isn’t that what the nutty professor is saying? That pedos are born that way?

Couldn't speak for him, haven't read the book. But I imagine there are a number of factors influencing the situation and I expect few of them are really under their control.

I don't personally know if there are genetic or epigenetic factors, but there probably are. Something about the way a brain is wired, not everyone's works the same. Traumatic experiences, prolonged stress, injuries, illnesses, so many things can affect peoples' behaviors in the long run. Whatever path leads to becoming a pedophile, I don't expect it is fundamentally different than people who end up as sociopaths or psychopaths or schizophrenic. Something has happened that wires the brain this way, they didn't choose to be attracted to children. Even homosexuality may be comparable in a very generalized way, there's some combination of genetic and environmental factors that causes it, and these factors are complex. Note: they're not at all morally comparable, and anyone who thinks they are is an idiot and probably a rapist-in-waiting themselves. (because someone who thinks homosexuality and pedophilia are morally equivalent doesn't understand consent)

Which does beg the question about mental illness in pedophiles, how much of it is a cause and how much of it is an effect of pedophilia? Generally speaking, many pedophiles know their attraction is wrong. Many of them feel deep shame for it. Making things worse, it's difficult or even dangerous for them to reach out for help, so they're forced to suffer in silence. Does this cause mental illness in a pedophile or is it some form of mental illness that contributed to their pedophilia in the first place? Maybe a little of both? Way out of my league, scientifically speaking. I'm just a dude on the internet.

No idea what specifically that professor said that was so controversial.